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linwolf said:
Valhalla, there are very few good Danish comic but this one is just amazing.
Seconded so hard I think I may have dislocated a finger!

Also, if I may include webcomics: http://wulffmorgenthaler.dk/?com=1 Wulff Morgenthaler. A little disturbing on some days, but often hilarious.
 

Trivun

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England gave you Neil Gaiman (and Sandman), and Alan Moore.

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As ar as webcomics go though, I reccomend you take a look at Freakangels. [http://www.freakangels.com/]
 

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NeedAUserName said:
Why, the Writer, Artist and Colourist are all English. Makes it a pretty English comic in my eyes.
Just said that cos it's just a much more American story and uses characters owned by DC. Sure, the U.K was at huge risk during the Cold War too, but the perspective of Watchmen is very American.

(Also, I'd forgotten the artist and colourist were English)
Hmmmmm, where and when something is set doesn't make it any less or more of a particular nationality. Watchmen was a mainly UK produced comic, therefore I consider it to be a UK publication, regardless of the story and characters. If I wrote an entire series set in Australia, would that make it Australian, or English, bearing in mind I myself am English?

No offence meant, just wanted to get that point across.
 

CNKFan

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Since I am American I'd say damn near all of our comics both mainstream and independent are good.
 

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Trivun said:
Hmmmmm, where and when something is set doesn't make it any less or more of a particular nationality. Watchmen was a mainly UK produced comic, therefore I consider it to be a UK publication, rgardless of the story and characters. If I wrote an entire series set in Australia, would that make it Australian, or English, bearing in mind I myself am English?

No offence meant, just wanted to get that point across.
Hey, I'd only be offended if you actually said something offensive. Although I am a little puzzled to be drawn into this debate over what was originally just a jokey, yet logical (to me, at least) compromise.

With Watchmen, it was produced by a British team, true. But, I'm fairly sure they were all at least semi-permanent residents of the US, and therefore far more exposed to the American view on the political events of the time rather than the British. It authored by Brits, but it's immersed in the American culture to the point where I'd consider it an American product.

Sure, it's just a sideffect of the industry being mostly located in America, but if a British director produces a film in America, it's an American product. T.S Eliot spent a significant amount of his life in America, yet, as far as I'm aware, most of his poetry is read in relation to his status as a British citizen. Admittedly, the expatriate status is a significant factor, but I'm just trying to muddy the water in terms of where a work claims to originate from.

I see Watchmen as an American comic written by Brits.

Feel free to pitch some counter examples at me if you like. I'm kinda formulating my own opinion on this as I go along, so anything that helps me construct a solid principle is pretty handy (long as the thread doesn't get too derailed).
 

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Freakangels.

http://www.freakangels.com/?p=23

If you are secretly willing for the world to end and people to die, then this'll tide you over til it happens
 

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Jonluw said:
Pondus: http://pondus.no/Tegneserier/Pondus/Pondus-goes-down-under/ I think, Norway's biggest comic strip (The link goes to a page with a few translated strips)
That one. Pondus is the only Norwegian comic I read at a regular basis. It's always so damn fun.
 

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pigeon_of_doom said:
With Watchmen, it was produced by a British team, true. But, I'm fairly sure they were all at least semi-permanent residents of the US, and therefore far more exposed to the American view on the political events of the time rather than the British. It authored by Brits, but it's immersed in the American culture to the point where I'd consider it an American product.

I see Watchmen as an American comic written by Brits.
Funny you should point that out: Hollywood movies are largely shot in the UK due to the cheap studios there. That does not automatically make Hollywood movies a British product however.

Come to think of it, the main crux of your argument is that the comic is American merely because it is set in America, and the authors are influenced by American culture.

No, that doesn't float with me. That is like claiming Rudyard Kipling wrote a great, Indian, literary classic called The Jungle Book.

EDIT: Oh, and Viz is the greatest British comic book.
 

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maninahat said:
No, that doesn't float with me. That is like claiming Rudyard Kipling wrote a great, Indian, literary classic called The Jungle Book.
Great point there actually, although with Kipling it's fiddly, as he was actually born in India. I'm not sure how applicable a colonial example like that is though, as the British culture is very much being superimposed upon the original culture in the areas he would have resided in rather than assimilating into the culture as Watchmen's creative team mostly did.

He wrote in English, not the national tongue of his place of birth, but that doesn't have too much import. I mean, Chinua Achebe is reputed as one of the most important African authors despite the fact all his major works are in English.

And you're partially misunderstanding me on the main crux of my argument. The authors aren't just influenced by American culture, they're thoroughly inundated in it in their day to day lives, writing using American characters (Watchmen's characters are from the DC canon) about American concerns both in the tradition of American superheroes and in subversion of it.

I'm not denying their nationality, just the exact national identity of the work they created. By the same token, I would define The Jungle Book as an Indian novel written by an English colonist.

Perhaps I shouldn't define a work's nationality by the amount of involvement the author/s have with the nation, but that's currently where I stand on the topic at the moment. Perhaps I'm just mistaking heavy influences for an fundamental cultural shift in the authors. But currently, I'm not quite convinced by my argument or yours (great, another sleepness night of futile pondering for me then!).

maninahat said:
Funny you should point that out: Hollywood movies are largely shot in the UK due to the cheap studios there. That does not automatically make Hollywood movies a British product however.
Another good point. Films were probably a bad example for me to use due to the sheer amount and variety of talent required, and the typically multinational nature of that group of people. If I were to carry on the discussion pertaining to movies, then I'd end up surmising that the nationality of the production would be where the money came from, which isn't something I'd enjoy admitting but I'm too tired currently to think of an alternative (I agree that the location where the majority of shooting takes place doesn't necessarily specify the film's nationality).

Wow, with such a simple topic premise as this thread, how did we get into this discussion?