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I thought it was always good manners to finish last....OH!
Sorry, I thought you meant something else...
I thought that too, but I think it's bollocks. Girls can be morons and like bad boys.
They will later regret this. If you were dumped in similar circumstances, they are *not* worth it.
However, being more assertive like the "bad boy" is always good.
Just because you're nice doesn't make you a yes man. Nice men can have backbones.
Watch any movie with Gregory Peck.
Sorry, I thought you meant something else...
I thought that too, but I think it's bollocks. Girls can be morons and like bad boys.
They will later regret this. If you were dumped in similar circumstances, they are *not* worth it.
However, being more assertive like the "bad boy" is always good.
Just because you're nice doesn't make you a yes man. Nice men can have backbones.
Watch any movie with Gregory Peck.
It's not about being nice...it's about being CONFIDENT. It's about not waiting on them hand and foot, it's about having some spine and actually expressing interest in them sexually (but subtly) rather than simply waiting for them to make the first move. Bust mostly confidence. Chicks dig confidence.
exactly that. but in a lot of cases its just the right thing to be direct and honest, even if it sounds a little bit rough.ethaninja said:
Be what you are, it never is negative to be nice, except you wanna be in the hip douchebag clique of nobrainers. Reach out for what you want to get, don't wait till it comes to you by itself (or herself, especially if you are moving through the "normal" people of society, in some subcultures its way more easy, without the childish social hide and seek)
edit: Undeadpool above is right, confidence is the key. You must be able to stand tall through everything you do, even if you act like a monkey in public. Brings you to the point where people laugh with you , not on you.
Yes and no. I encourage you to be an asshole jerk for awhile and learn of the limitations there for yourself. They don't finish particularly high either. The best strategy is to be both, switching between one or the other as is advantageous.masterchevyman said:
Approaching life like you're not working from a guide can help, too. You can end up doing things you don't understand, simply because you were told they work.Fearzone said:
Simply being yourself and saying what you feel can work wonders.
Yes well, as a guy I'm supposed to give something to the one I love, sure. But that part you wrote there sounds very much like an average young girl's mindset, following the guys around like living proof of how successful he is. And she will be happy for all the gifts she gets.Zeithri said:
You're supposed to love, and be loved back. I see only trade. Girls trade sex for comfort. Guys trade time and money for something to brag about to his friends.
This is mostly our fault. Guys fail at quality assurance. We just want to get laid. If we would consider sharing our life with the hot blonde at the bar, instead of just fucking her, girls would have to do better then they do today to get the right guy. Right now, western women are so ridiculously idolized that they just have to look pretty enough after a few beers and be relatively single for guys to come running in clusters.
As a guy, I only want to love and be loved, and the rest will just have to sort itself out from there. If you only have needs, you are not a "good guy", or girl for that matter. You're an egotistical asshole and really needs to grow up fast.
Finished rant.
A little self confidence never hurt anyone. I think thats what your missing here. Girls/Women love self Confidence. Its a very attractive trait.
Even if you are having all the problems you are talking about, being a nice guy is far better than being an asshole no matter what.
Alright, I'm tired of these threads.
GIRLS DON'T LIKE ASSHOLES
For fuck SAKE! If I guy treats me like dirt or is an asshole, I won't date him. Are you guys seriously so dumb that you think people gravity towards assholes?
Allow me to set you straight. Girls like confidence. If you're a shy guy but consider yourself nice, you probably aren't attracting women because you're busy in your little shy world.
Seriously, if a less attractive guy came up to a girl, but with confidence, he would be more likely to score a date with a girl than an attractive yet shy guy.
If you see stupid girls with an asshole-ish guy, it's probably because he has confidence. Confidence is always a key to anything you do in life.
Stop with the "Girls only like assholes" stuff, it's stupid and just played out.
Be smart, confident and nice. I can guarantee you'll score a girl then.
GIRLS DON'T LIKE ASSHOLES
For fuck SAKE! If I guy treats me like dirt or is an asshole, I won't date him. Are you guys seriously so dumb that you think people gravity towards assholes?
Allow me to set you straight. Girls like confidence. If you're a shy guy but consider yourself nice, you probably aren't attracting women because you're busy in your little shy world.
Seriously, if a less attractive guy came up to a girl, but with confidence, he would be more likely to score a date with a girl than an attractive yet shy guy.
If you see stupid girls with an asshole-ish guy, it's probably because he has confidence. Confidence is always a key to anything you do in life.
Stop with the "Girls only like assholes" stuff, it's stupid and just played out.
Be smart, confident and nice. I can guarantee you'll score a girl then.
Women like a man that stands out from the crowd, someone who is different and has his own way about him. Guys who are considered to be assholes, or bad boys are not a common thing and have a level of uniqueness that excites women. You can be both however, you can still be a cocky guy and yet show a cetain level of respect and manners.... such is my MO.
Exactly this. And as Labrynth said earlier, the whole "Girls only like assholes" thing is nothing more than excuses and misogyny. But, some people would prefer to find excuses rather than address their own problems. This happens to men and women alike.VanityGirl said:
This is easily one of the smartest things I've heard about this whole argument.Labyrinth said:
You claim you're a nice guy, but really you conceptualise women with some misogynistic faux-chivalry. Girls are all different, so you have to treat them all different.
Your claim that douchebags always get the girl isn't accurate. A douchebag by whose measure? The girl who it's actually relevant to? Or the bitter introvert who lost his current feminine fixation to a more confident guy?
I'm going to tell you a story about the girl I felt stronger feelings for than any other girl before or since (this was about 2 years ago). I was crazy about her. Smart, funny, beautiful and friendly. I was good friends with her, and I thought I was actually making good progress, until one day I asked her out. She rejected me, saying that she really likes me as a friend, but she doesn't feel the same way about me as I did about her. Did I throw a temper tantrum, run off and become a bitter forum-dweller? Fuck no. I sacked up, realised that she had no obligation to reciprocate my emotions, and tried to move on with my life.
It didn't work for a very long time mind you. I was still crazy about her. But at no point did I blame her for not liking me like that, and at no point did I blame the 'douchebag' for ruining my shot. Hell, I'm good friends with him now. I got to know him and he's a nice guy.
But I have one question to ask you OP: What makes your feelings any more valid than the 'douchebag jerk's'? Every teenager thinks that no-one feels emotions as vividly as they do, and that extremely common mindset is a complete crock of shit. You need to realise that every person in this world is a fully realised human being, complete with emotions, experiences and thoughts that match, and often better your own.
/rant
TL;DR The Nice Guy is a myth.
So much sugarcoating and unicorn rides on fluffy marshmallow clouds in this thread.
Change who you are when trying to get a girl hooked. Why? Because your true self atm is probably a pussy or a loser.
Be slightly arrogant, confident, a bit cocky. Don't talk in a asking way, talk in an ordering/decisive way (ofc, do it with some rational thought). Take up boxing, thaiboxing, MMA (for the love of god, not aikido or something silly like that) and get roughed up a bit in sparring there too, increase your masculinity.
Work on your looks. Since you apparently got female friends ask them to give you a makeover (yeah, seriously). Take advantage of that part of your life. Looks aren't everything at all, but it will give you an easier time 'opening' a girl.
Eventually when you get laid more and the girls you wanna get, your confidence will rise, but you will still be a nice guy.
It's somewhat of a snowball effect actually!
There's so much more to write, but there's my point.
Man up. I don't know how many times I've the attraction of girls from my handsome buddies by just being there and being such a hairy chested alpha male that I am.
... Actually, I want to write more:
Here's the difference between nice and pussy:
You are your girlfriend are walking down the street. Some guy squeezes your girlfriends boob.
Pussy: Gets kinda frightened and either just walks on with a "what a douche
" to his gf, or barely dares to confront him with a "jerk!" while walking away (or something)
Nice: Does not accept that kinda behaviour. Does something violent or at least confrontive (is that a word?). Asks girlfriend afterwards if everything is all right, takes her home and cuddles her while watching a movie.
Change who you are when trying to get a girl hooked. Why? Because your true self atm is probably a pussy or a loser.
Be slightly arrogant, confident, a bit cocky. Don't talk in a asking way, talk in an ordering/decisive way (ofc, do it with some rational thought). Take up boxing, thaiboxing, MMA (for the love of god, not aikido or something silly like that) and get roughed up a bit in sparring there too, increase your masculinity.
Work on your looks. Since you apparently got female friends ask them to give you a makeover (yeah, seriously). Take advantage of that part of your life. Looks aren't everything at all, but it will give you an easier time 'opening' a girl.
Eventually when you get laid more and the girls you wanna get, your confidence will rise, but you will still be a nice guy.
It's somewhat of a snowball effect actually!
There's so much more to write, but there's my point.
Man up. I don't know how many times I've the attraction of girls from my handsome buddies by just being there and being such a hairy chested alpha male that I am.
... Actually, I want to write more:
Here's the difference between nice and pussy:
You are your girlfriend are walking down the street. Some guy squeezes your girlfriends boob.
Pussy: Gets kinda frightened and either just walks on with a "what a douche
" to his gf, or barely dares to confront him with a "jerk!" while walking away (or something)Nice: Does not accept that kinda behaviour. Does something violent or at least confrontive (is that a word?). Asks girlfriend afterwards if everything is all right, takes her home and cuddles her while watching a movie.