guitar hero VS real guitar

[zen5887]

I think Guitar Hero *is* making music, but, I'll have that discussion with someone who can express themselves a little bit better than yourself.

Now then.. Lets not pretend to know who I am..

How do you believe that guitar hero is making music

 

[PurpleRain]

I think Guitar Hero *is* making music, but, I'll have that discussion with someone who can express themselves a little bit better than yourself.

Now then.. Lets not pretend to know who I am..

How do you believe that guitar hero is making music

Guitar Hero isn't making music at all. You hit the colours as the come and it activates the tune on the game. Turn the game off and it does nothing at all. That's not music. Unless you bang the thing on a wall in some sort of order of notes.

EDIT

I was agreeing with Zen to complecate things.

 

[zen5887]

I was agreeing with Zen to complecate things.

Good man

 

[PurpleRain]

I was agreeing with Zen to complecate things.

Good man

High five to team work!

 

[hughball]

I think I'm really looking forward to them bringing out composition hero...then maybe you can make some music however until then you're some dude with a plastic guitar replica that you paid $150 for.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

Show me where to mute the strings on that piece of plastic. Show me how I can use 4 of the 5 fingers on my right hand to pick out the notes. Show me how I can hold a pick between two fingers and hammer down with a third to pull off an extremely long, fast solo. Show me where I have to hit with exactly how much force in order to sound a harmonic. Show me where the foot pedals are and when to step on them in order to activate the right sound at the precise moment.

Oh wait... guess what!

so you're comparing a piece of plastic to a real instrument and thinking it is the same thing?

can i have what you've been smoking? it seems really good

and you can do hammer ons and pull offs in guitar hero, but here's the thing IT'S A GAME NOT AN INSTRUMENT

If people think GH has it "all" then there's always a chance those same people will find themselves behind the real instrument one day. Look at the trend that's already taken place.

Back in the 60's and 70's you had the Progressive Rock movement take place at the forefront of pop culture. Bands like E.L.O., The Who, Queen, Yes, Rush and Jethro Tull were filling stadiums at concerts.

what about the beatles and motown and punk who had overly simplistic tunes and melodies? yeah prog rock was around but so was pop music too

oh yeah those bands you mentioned are in guitar hero as well

Skip forward to the 80's and you started having bands like Megadeath, Bon Jovi, Def Leopard and Metallica join the pop-culture lineup.

geez where do i start with pop and overly simplistic tunes in the 80s, let me put a blindfold on and start tossing darts at a wall of 80s bands

hey more guitar hero songs

Skip ahead, again, to the 90's and you started hearing Nirvanna, Stone Temple Pilots and Pearl Jam being played religiously on the radio.

yeah they're overly popular bands so what?

oh yeah they're also songs in guitar hero

Popular Rock music's been simplified to such an extent now that someone came up with the idea of putting everything you need into a simple piece of plastic that plays a "virtual guitar" on your TV screen.

uhhh like i said IT'S A GAME NOT AN INSTRUMENT

Hell, in the future, they might as well do away with 17 of the 22 frets and 5 of the 6 strings on a real guitar. After all, no musician is going to have the patience to sit there and try to play all 22 frets with all 6 strings.

seriously you're a douche and need to get a grip IT'S A GAME

you probly think that being good at being a sniper in call of duty or any other first person shooter makes you a good sniper in real life too

you also must think that being good at madden makes you a good football player

you must also think that being a good driver in a racing game makes you a good driver on the road

you must also think that being a good player in nhl 2kX makes you a good hockey player

you must also think that being a good player in nba 2kX makes you a good basketball player

 

[Ian Dorsch]

Not exactly. It simplifies guitar playing to the point where any twit with an once of brain cells thinks they can pick up a guitar and be good at it. The sad part is, the more of these people who exist, the worse future guitarists are going to be.

Don't take this the wrong way, because Alex Lifeson is one of my all-time favorite players and I hate to flame a fellow Rush fan, but you're just plain wrong.

Based on your posts I'm assuming that you and I grew up listening to many of the same guitar players. I'm talking about adventurous art-rock guys like Lifeson and Fripp, shredders like Marty Friedman, Paul Gilbert, Nuno Bettencourt, Vai, Satriani, and so on. If that is the case, then you surely remember how in the 90's most of those guys were written off by the mainstream as "butt rock," how rock musicians in the grunge/alternative scene were deriding the guitar solo as inherently self indulgent and unnecessary. While guys like me stubbornly clung to bands like Dream Theater the rest of rock music turned up its collective nose at serious guitar players.

Within the last few years, that attitude has changed 180 degrees, and Guitar Hero is a huge part of bringing that to the mainstream. This is a game that romanticizes virtuosity. It's a game that challenges the player to approximate tunes like YYZ and Cliffs of Dover, stuff to which kids today might never be otherwise exposed.

You are giving people far too little credit when you assume that "any twit with an once [sic] of brain cells thinks they can pick up a guitar and be good at it." Anyone with any intelligence at all will instantly recognize the difference between the plastic game controller and the musical instrument plugged into the practice amp/Pod/audio interface. The important thing is not the game's simplified representation of guitar playing, but rather the fact that it makes good guitar playing something to be admired and emulated.

 

[TheFishIsSad]

I play Guitar Hero and I can play some real guitar as well.
I doubt that many people actually pick up guitar hero, play it then assume "Oh, I aced Paint It Black on Medium, I must rock at it on guitar now!"
My uncle plays guitar and guitar hero, and says that they're both completely different.
In fact, I spoke to a guitarist the other day who actually said Guitar Hero was HARDER than playing a real guitar because of the hand-to-eye co-ordination.
I'll admit that I was pretty proud when I beat Through The Fire And The Flames on Expert, but I'm not going to go around bragging about it to real guitarists because I'm not a fucking idiot.
And as has already been said, asking someone who plays Guitar Hero (which is JUST A GAME and was made FOR FUN, not so people could pretend they're amazing guitarists) to play a real guitar is the same as asking someone who plays Call of Duty etc. to go fight in a real war, or someone who plays Halo to go kill some real aliens, or someone who plays RPGs to go out into the street and kill some random things to see if they carry money.
Anyway, as I was saying, there's no need to get so worked up about it. It's a hobby, and I'll accept that just because I can beat Raining Blood on Guitar Hero doesn't mean I'm anywhere NEAR to even playing it on a real guitar.

 

[rockstar_450]

Those who think that real guitar skill is so much greater than GH are comparing two things that are incomparable.

I am a professional lead singer and guitarist and can tell you i am a very good guitarist yet i suck arse at GH.

They are incomparable yet similar in their own ways. Both test fine motor skills in a different way but work the brain in a similar way.

Real guitarists trying to stick it to GH fans need to get a life because GH gets much harder than MOST of the songs on there are to play in my opinion (when put on any difficulty above medium)

 

[qbert4ever]

And people who brag that they thoroughly owned people who knew going in to it (or even when both sides knew it going in) that they were going to lose is just poor sportsmanship, something qbert4ever's post reeked of.

Mind explaining that one to me? I fail to see the conection between poor sportsmenship, and me telling you to lighten up over guys being guys and bragging a little.

...But people who brag that they are good at games annoy me... Especially dumbed down versions of the real thing.

I never said I got pissed off because there are people better then me...

Dont you think they kind of go hand in hand? When I do well at something, especially video-games, I like to build myself up a little. If it ticks off my friends a little, then they say somthing along the lines of "bite me, I'll win next time". Read your own post (the one right after Cheese_Pavilion's) , it reeks (to use your own word) of "I don't like this game and fuck you if you're good at it". Not a nice smell.

Just remember, this is a GAME we are talking about. If you're good at it, fine. If you're not, then nobody is making you play it. But don't get pissed off when people like to build themselves up a little over something that is, in fact, very difficult.

 

[Sixties Spidey]

Guitar Hero is essentially a simulator, in the case that you are holding notes, and you are performing things you would do on a real guitar with onscreen prompts. The people who brag about learning a real guitar are A: jealous. B: Dont get the craze C: parents D: fucking morons E: full of themselves. I can play a tiny bit of guitar, and i am okay at guitar hero ( i can get past 2 songs on hard) but ironically Guitar Hero renewed my interest in playing a guitar, so now, i am teaching myself and learning. Guitar hero is fun, and not only is it fun, it has the ability to invoke a sense of enthusiasm of learning a hobby.

 

[Ian Dorsch]

Now, Kurt Cobain famously could barely play guitar. But guess what? Cobain wasn't the be all and end all of 90s music. The guitarists of the 90s were some of the most talented of all time. Sure, they weren't into the indulgence of bands like Dream Theater or Emerson, Lake and Palmer, but that's not a crime. I consider myself a Prog fan, but some of the stuff coming out in the 70s and 80s is bloody unlistenable.

My intent wasn't to denigrate any of those players. I think all of the guys you mention have a lot to offer, even Cobain (who, incidentally, is from my home town and went to my high school). But guys like Cantrell and Thayil, who offered up some truly timeless riffs and plenty of tasty soloing during the 90's, were still a far cry from the "shred" icons of the 80's. That's really my point--the whole concept of the archetypal "guitar hero" went out of favor with the coming of grunge, even though there were plenty of great guitarists to come out of that era.

The Guitar Hero games have helped reverse that trend. I'd think a person like Lerxst could appreciate that, even if he can't appreciate a lot of the great rock music that's come out over the past 15-20 years.

 

[skyeoverall]

I'm just going by personal experience here...because of GH I actually have more respect for real guitar players than I did before. I realize that playing a game is NOTHING like playing a real guitar and I have no dilusions that the two are related. It's like comparing apples and oranges. As long as players know that being good at the game does not translate into being a good musician, let them be proud of their skills.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Thing is, Guitar Hero is to guitar what DDR is to dancing. You don't see dancers getting pissed at everyone because they are proud that they can beat some song on DDR on Heavy, so why are so many guitarists getting pissed because someone is proud that they can beat a song on Expert on Guitar Hero?

 

[qbert4ever]

Thing is, Guitar Hero is to guitar what DDR is to dancing. You don't see dancers getting pissed at everyone because they are proud that they can beat some song on DDR on Heavy, so why are so many guitarists getting pissed because someone is proud that they can beat a song on Expert on Guitar Hero?

To add to that, whenever I hear a guitarist complain about Guitar Hero, They seem to bring up the "All I see is a bunch of tools saying that being good at GH makes them an awesome guitarist" argument. Well, I can say that not once have I heard anybody make that claim. If anybody here knows of a forum where people say that, then please link it. Hell, we can all make fake accounts and mess with them. It'll be a good community builder for us.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Thing is, Guitar Hero is to guitar what DDR is to dancing. You don't see dancers getting pissed at everyone because they are proud that they can beat some song on DDR on Heavy, so why are so many guitarists getting pissed because someone is proud that they can beat a song on Expert on Guitar Hero?

Because real dancers can go dance in a club and get laid. Real guitarists haven't been able to pull that off since they stopped living in a dorm. Actually, probably not even then because they refused to play eXtreme/Dave Matthews/John Mayer/YMMV according to when you went to college.

What makes you think Guitar Hero players get laid any more? You don't see people telling someone to get a real life after playing a near perfect cover of, let's say, Cliffs of Dover, so in that regard, guitar players are better off than Guitar Hero players. So why all the hate? In the words of Malcolm X, "Let's cool it, brothers." ...Maybe that was a bad choice of words, seeing as he died right after saying them...