guitar hero VS real guitar

[Saskwach]

Thing is, Guitar Hero is to guitar what DDR is to dancing. You don't see dancers getting pissed at everyone because they are proud that they can beat some song on DDR on Heavy, so why are so many guitarists getting pissed because someone is proud that they can beat a song on Expert on Guitar Hero?

Because real dancers can go dance in a club and get laid. Real guitarists haven't been able to pull that off since they stopped living in a dorm. Actually, probably not even then because they refused to play eXtreme/Dave Matthews/John Mayer/YMMV according to when you went to college.

What makes you think Guitar Hero players get laid any more?

I think you missed the point of what I was saying/joking about. I wasn't saying "Guitar Hero players get laid any more" I was saying 'real dancers (even if they're not in a troop or a crew or whatever) get laid more than real guitar players (if they aren't in a band, or a liberal arts college). Hence, real dancers are much more chill about their skills.

Wasn't there a post earlier in which even a terrible guitar player got the attention of several members of the female persuasion? I'd say with that opening he could have easily swooped in. Therefore, guitar can get the poontang too (pardon my french).
I fail to see how not getting any has much to do with the alleged pomposity of guitar players, though. This thread is getting silly.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

Actually, don't pilots often train in flight simulators? Obviously more complex than anything available to the consumer, but still--someone who has played a flight simulator is going to be a better pilot than someone who hasn't.

actually no they don't use microsoft flight sim or any other for that matter, they use a full mock up of a plane's cockpit, at least that's what my pilot friends used when getting their pilots license

you can't get a pilots license from playing a pc flight simulator

Playing NHL really *does* make you a 'better' hockey player. Maybe not a good one. And maybe you'll keep wondering why the goalie doesn't fall for 'the move' like in NHL 95, but you know what? You *will* have figured out that you've got a better chance with a slower shot that's a one-timer off a pass than you do with a hard shot where the goalie can see the whole way.

Sure you'll never develop stuff like the muscle memory that is key to all these tasks, and games are never perfect simulations which means some things will work in the game that never will in real life and vice versa, but, you will wind up understanding some of the mental aspects of these activities which will translate over into real life.

really so nhl helps you learn how to skate properly?

sorry to say but it doesn't, it might teach you some strategy that works against ai but not against a real player. and it doesn't teach you how to skate, so you won't be a better player

it also doesn't teach you how to control the puck, how to shoot the puck, how to take a hit, how to properly check someone, how to block a shot, how to pass the puck

So I don't think it's "stupid" to make the comparisons on the list of examples you gave. It might be stupid to think that they're perfectly comparable, but, it would also be stupid to say that there's no comparison whatsoever.

there is no comparison cause they are 2 totally different things and require 2 totally different skill sets

the video game requires hand eye coordination and doesn't rely on others at all for the most part.

the sport require actual athletic ability and a bit of strategy and the ability to stick to a game plan or modify it along with way and work with others as a well oiled machine.

 

[gilgalada]

Guitar Hero is a game A GAME! dunno why its such a big deal for some if ppl are happy that they complete a game on expert.

I dont beleave people in the army are angry of people who brag that they are good in counterstrike.

Or F1 drivers who are angry of people who brag that they can drive good in a F1 GAME

Its a game! If you can play a quitar and cant play guitar hero fine. If you can play guitar hero but not a real guitar fine.

 

[Ian Dorsch]

I'll give everyone a two word reason GH will never hold any weight with a real guitarist

Oooo, that one hurts. All this time I thought I was a real guitarist.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

I cut the rest of what you said because you misunderstood the point I was making and none of it is relevant. If you read what I wrote more carefully, you'll see that I agree with you it is stupid to say that playing a video game is *exactly* like the real sport in ever possible way (for instance, I don't know why you're asking me: "really so nhl helps you learn how to skate properly" right after you quote me saying: "you'll never develop stuff like the muscle memory that is key to all these tasks") Therefore, all that stuff you said isn't relevant to what I'm saying: that there are some limited ways in which playing a video game will make you better at the real world activity.

The one part I did leave illustrates how you're going too far with your point. I don't know how much you know about hockey, but one-timers really do work, both in real life or the game NHL. One-timers really do go in more often than when *either* a sports game AI *or* a real life goalie get a good look at the shot.

To say "it might teach you some strategy that works against ai but not against a real player" is 100% wrong--one timers in real life AND NHL are an example of you taking the sound point that playing the game doesn't make you *good* at the real life activity too far when you say it won't make you *better* at all.

Key difference: 'good' vs. 'better'.

actually i fully understood what you said and i do understand hockey very well and no playing a game won't teach you how to do one timers at all, just that they can work much like most shots can work

so really the point is moot, meaning it teaches you nothing about playing the actual sport or even make you a better player, the only way is one of two ways and that is playing the game over and over for real and watching how the players play the game and watching where the puck goes and where the players should go, which is what Walter Gretzky made Wayne do when he was a young kid

much like guitar hero teaches you nothing about playing an actual guitar

 

[Saskwach]

Wasn't there a post earlier in which even a terrible guitar player got the attention of several members of the female persuasion? I'd say with that opening he could have easily swooped in.

Sure he could have with a little Dave Matthews Band or John Mayer. I think the earlier post was about someone bludgeoning their way through an Oasis song.

I...can't really imagine most of the people who complain about Guitar Hero because they think they're real guitarists playing that kind of music. Not to mention the whole point of that post was someone complaining that a person who can barely play the guitar can get as much attention as a 'real' guitarist.

Seriously though, it was a comment made in jest--if it made you laugh, I'm glad. If it didn't, well, then it didn't.

Ah. It did verge too close to the ridiculous but I read it as both a funny and serious argument.

 

[qbert4ever]

actually i fully understood what you said and i do understand hockey very well and no playing a game won't teach you how to do one timers at all, just that they can work much like most shots can work

so really the point is moot, meaning it teaches you nothing about playing the actual sport or even make you a better player, the only way is one of two ways and that is playing the game over and over for real and watching how the players play the game and watching where the puck goes and where the players should go, which is what Walter Gretzky made Wayne do when he was a young kid

much like guitar hero teaches you nothing about playing an actual guitar

I think he may be biased against you Cheese. Let me try.

I believe what Cheese_Pavillion meant was (using his example), no. A video game will not make you a pro hockey player. But if you are just getting into it, it is a good way to look at techniques that you had no idea existed. While NHL whatevernumber will not teach you how to skate, it can teach you some things you can try on the ice for yourself to see if you can make them work or not.

As for Guitar Hero, I'll say this much. Before I got into it I had about zero rythem. Now, I find I can keep a fairly consistent rythem on my own, which as anybody who is in a band will tell you, is a very importent skill to have.

Can video games teach you how to play hockey/guitar/any "real" ability? No. Are they a substitute for real practice? No. But can they help you improve in certain areas you may be shaky in, and possibly show you something you might not have thought of on your own? I say most definitely yes.

 

[ZhugeMarc]

It tends to annoy me when people say "you should learn to play real guitar instead of playing Guitar Hero". I don't *want* to learn real guitar. I can already play an instrument, thank you - that's actually something else, it seems like people assume because I play Guitar Hero I must have no musical ability whatsoever.
But saying I should ditch the game and do the real thing makes about as much sense as telling me to stop playing Call of Duty 4 and bloody well go and get shot in the face hundreds of miles from home.

 

[PhoenixFlame]

The problem, as many people have said, is the people who like to compare two things that just aren't comparable despite the similarity of holding an instrument. You can't compare playing Guitar Hero to playing a real guitar. It's just not a viable comparison no matter how hard you try, because the mechanics are completely different.

People don't like having their hobby (or sometimes their livelihood) trivialized. This is why real guitarists might be annoyed at Guitar Hero experts and the insane amount of publicity the game gets (someone asked why DDR doesn't get the same argument - it's because Guitar Hero is much more in the public eye than DDR, due to popular songs and the huge upswing towards "party" games). No one is praising someone who actually plays guitar that they can play an especially difficult song, but someone who plays Guitar Hero on Expert is glorified in ways that might seem ridiculous (see: Guinness Book of World Records video on Guitar Hero). On top of that, some people who are extremely good at Guitar Hero do behave poorly (I've seen this firsthand at tournaments and parties) and they really do overemphasize the significance of their achievement.

The funny thing is, people who play Guitar Hero expertly don't like having their hobby trivialized either. They don't like that real guitarists hop on to their youtube videos and comment about how they should play real guitar instead of being good at a plastic one. Being good at Guitar Hero takes work too - not the same kind of work that it might take for an actual guitar and certainly in less time, but it still takes work and practice. To say "that's not playing on a real guitar, get some real skill" is to fall back on the ages-old argument used against hardcore gamers, which is "at least I have a life". The argument is just as piss-poor against Guitar Hero players.

I think the two main things that people need to realize is that A)these are two completely different skills and B)what has been implied or thought to be known just needs to be said, and that is - mastering a real guitar is a more significant and difficult achievement than mastering Guitar Hero. I will argue all day for the value of video games and what they can teach and add value to, but at the end of the day, playing an actual guitar is harder, takes more work, and is a more practical skill than playing a game. The problem is that saying and recognizing that means the Guitar Hero players might think I'm trivializing their achievement again, which I'm not. Someone who can play Guitar Hero really well deserves respect for that and it's not something everyone can do.

But if you're somehow going to compare playing Guitar Hero as a comparable achievement to playing actual guitar, I will have to respectfully agree to disagree with you, even if they are two different skills.

 

[Geoffrey42]

The funny thing is, people who play Guitar Hero expertly don't like having their hobby trivialized either. They don't like that real guitarists hop on to their youtube videos and comment about how they should play real guitar instead of being good at a plastic one.

I think there's a difference here that needs pointing out. People that play the musical instrument known as a guitar feel like Guitar Hero trivializes their hobby. People that play the videogame known as Guitar Hero are actively trivialized by the former party in some twisted form of retaliation. (Note here that when one person says "I play the guitar" and another person says "I play Guitar Hero", they're actually using very different meanings of "play". Despite what [a href=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/3084-Orchestrations-of-Play]Adam LaMosca[/a] may have to say about it.)

"Your mere existence makes me feel trivialized, so I'm going to rain on your parade to make myself feel better." At what point did that become defensible? I think it's standard human behavior, but I see no need to try and justify it beyond "misplaced feelings of inferiority".

Two side notes (one related, one not):
1. In my experiences with the musical community, I've run across a lot of people that "play guitar". I typically take that statement with a grain of salt, because the instrument is overrun with wannabes (not because it is an easy instrument, but just because it is a high profile one). I don't know how that plays into this dynamic, but I feel it might be part of it.
2. If you shift your right hand one column of keys to the left, and type "play", it comes out "okay". I knew I was missing keys, but was surprised to see that a real word came out of my mis-strokes.

 

[noob skill]

it really grips my gears when some of the idiots of my school who can only play guitar hero and rock band (y'know cuz they cant play a realy instrument)claim to be awesome and then, think they know what their talking about diss up the real musicians. it just makes me want to beat them to death with their guitar hero and rock band gear.

 

[Conqueror Kenny]

well they are completely diffrent in my opionion.they way i think about this is that its like someone who is good with a sniper rife in CoD4 bragging to a sniper in the army thay are just completely diffrent.

 

[bangtheDANCE]

Ok, if you're a guitar hero fan, then don't read what I might say because it WILL be offending in one way or the other... I HATE THAT DARN GAME... because of the following reasons...
1. It insists on lazy people to pretend they're playing guitar rather than actually learning it.
2. Half the songs on expert are easier to play in real life than on guitar hero.

3. Retarded fanbase who think it's that big an achievement to have played a song on expert. Well when you play it with a real guitar while correctly following the rythme, then start bragging.

4. Whole concept is lame, don't know how people even got into it, try doing something that will somehow help you in life instead of pretending....

Real guitar gets my vote all the way...

 

[bangtheDANCE]

But saying I should ditch the game and do the real thing makes about as much sense as telling me to stop playing Call of Duty 4 and bloody well go and get shot in the face hundreds of miles from home.

By the way, you're not holding a virtual rifle when you're playing CoD4... and music is an art that some like to overly butcher, such as the producers of guitar hero...