Well as far as the multiplayer being full of fail, there is the retarded match selection mechanism (Which has gone on to infect other games.) but other than the technical stupidity on the part of Bungie there is the annoying habit of people to "bunny-hop" in Halo, I've always hated that with a passion. I prefer multiplayer more along the lines of Warhawk or GRAW/RSV, or COD4.
Halo 3 is only the begining!!!
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Did I say you had to? Apparently you do care though, I wonder why that is? I was responding to a request to elaborate on why Halo's multiplayer is full of fail and I did, is that a problem now? This thread got derailed when the OP decided to cry about people questioning his implicit premise that Halo 3 was a good or even great game and that therefore what Bungie comes up with next will be all that and a bag of chips.Cheeze_Pavilion said:Why should I care what you hate anymore than you should care what I love?shadow skill said:but other than the technical stupidity on the part of Bungie there is the annoying habit of people to "bunny-hop" in Halo, I've always hated that with a passion.
I think this thread got derailed when the first Halo hater decided that he should completely ignore what the OP was saying and talk about Halo.
BTW, Halo Chronicles and Halo Wars coming out, although I don't think Halo Wars will work out very well on a console.
BTW, Halo Chronicles and Halo Wars coming out, although I don't think Halo Wars will work out very well on a console.
Please lock this thread, we don't need another halo thread for people to flame it. I learned that the hard way!
It's simply because games like Halo and WoW are making an impact, but for all the wrong reasons. WoW's obviously broken game mechanics, Halo's repetetive stodgy combat and utter boredom are still getting it to the top, and people have a right to be angry, because there are so many better games.
Jeffers I'm sorry but I don't happen to like the idea of a software algorithm being the only method for choosing a game, I also don't like the randomization between game modes that the matchmaking system forces onto the player. Hence I don't like matchmaking. To me "Bunny hopping" is a cheap tactic like spawn camping, a game like Halo where people tend to "bunny hop" isn't fun, hence it fails. Both of you need to calm the hell down.
I have to agree with this fully, Europa is a true multiplayer experience. Halo might just be a nice little game you play for kicks, but EU2 is a true game. It requires you to go beyond the game, you have to take your interactions in game to the next level. Granted an average multiplayer game would take one 5 hour run once a week for 10 weeks, and I understand that some people might not have the patience or the time to play this. But until a game can require you to think about it even when you are not playing it, that will be the next great game.Cheeze_Pavilion said:Nope--I put something like Europa Universalis or the computer version of AH's 3rd Reich at the top of the sophistication barrel. I think you've assumed that by 'sophistication' I meant 'quality'. I didn't.Sardaukar said:Secondly, First Person Shooters are far from being "the bottom end of the sophistication barrel". Bad games are the bottom end of the sophistication barrel. I'm assuming adventure games and role-playing games are at the top of this abstract barrel of yours, and I've experienced more than enough exercises in sucktastic game design in each genre to say that claiming to be such a title does not create a minimum flooring upon which your judged quality can rest. Simply, games that suck, suck, and games that exhilarate the senses and blow the mind, do not suck. Giving a game predetermined minimum and maximum value based on it's genre is almost as pretentious as my wordiness.
.................Listen to yourself, just listen to yourself. I can aim fine when I am doing the jumping, Bunny hopping is a defensive tactic rather than an offensive in nature. Frankly what you are suggesting is equivalent to suggesting that one get used to the other team spawn camping you, afterall it is not impossible to actually fight your way out of that situation, it is just not very fun. Thankfully more recent games tend to handle that problem fairly well and tend not to engender the behavior itself due to game mechanics. Whether or not actually doing "bunny hopping" makes you an easier target or not is irrelevant to the point I was making that I don't like to see masses of people that I might play with start doing that.Cheeze_Pavilion said:Don't worry--I'm calm. As for the bunny hop, it just requires better aim. I've seen a lot of MLG matches and I see very little of the bunny hop. If you have good enough aim it actually makes it *easier* to kill someone, because:shadow skill said:To me "Bunny hopping" is a cheap tactic like spawn camping, a game like Halo where people tend to "bunny hop" isn't fun, hence it fails. Both of you need to calm the hell down.
1) you move in a predictable, slow arc which makes it easier to line up a headshot
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2) everyone knows where you'll land so they can just throw grenades at your landing spot
Just play more Halo, get better at it, and it won't be a problem for you if it bothers you that much. But don't put the game down just because you don't have the patience to get good at it.
Frankly the shittyness of the matchmaking system wieghs more heavily against the MP component of Halo than the whole "bunny hopping" thing for me. I would have been more willing to play the game if the match selection method could be controlled without me having to make my own room etc.
Oh now I don't know the game enough....................Ok that's fine for you to think that but here is the funny thing what does that change and how does it hurt you? What is the point of people asking people to talk about what tey do not like about any given game if it turns out like this? This whole thing is like telling someone who says they do not like Call of Duty 4 because the perks system is not properly balanced to prevent people with higher ranks from getting into games with those ranked far below them that their criticism is invalid because the problem goes away after you grind up a few ranks and get access to certain specific perks.
Not to mention the Last Stand perk which is extremely cheap and used ALOT. Of course the trick with that particular perk is to spray the bodies of those you kill with a few extra bullets to make sure they stay down. It really is not fun to be in a room where almost everyone is using that perk (It happened quite a bit in the beta due to the cap, its not quite so bad in the retail version of the game.)even when you know how to deal with it. I could easily see someone hating the game because of the way the perks system works. With Martydom it's actually less of a problem since you just have to run away and the guy cannot actively aim at you and shoot you in the face, besides you will die anyway if you just stand still perks or no perks.
Not to mention the Last Stand perk which is extremely cheap and used ALOT. Of course the trick with that particular perk is to spray the bodies of those you kill with a few extra bullets to make sure they stay down. It really is not fun to be in a room where almost everyone is using that perk (It happened quite a bit in the beta due to the cap, its not quite so bad in the retail version of the game.)even when you know how to deal with it. I could easily see someone hating the game because of the way the perks system works. With Martydom it's actually less of a problem since you just have to run away and the guy cannot actively aim at you and shoot you in the face, besides you will die anyway if you just stand still perks or no perks.