I'm amazed that I haven't seen anyone else complain about the REALLY antinclimactic "Final Boss Battle", which consists of defeating an IMMENSELY POWERFUL, TELEKINETIC ENEMY! ...With a few QTE's. Yikes.
I saw it as an interactive cutscene, Halo tried boss battles before in Halo 2 and they kinda sucked, I was glad they kept it simple and cinematicbigfatcarp93 said:I'm amazed that I haven't seen anyone else complain about the REALLY antinclimactic "Final Boss Battle", which consists of defeating an IMMENSELY POWERFUL, TELEKINETIC ENEMY! ...With a few QTE's. Yikes.
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Think about it.
3. Since the composer can switch data between digital and biological, and Cortana dropped the rather obvious hint that her mind was a copy of Dr. Halsey's neural tissues, We can predict that over the course of this new halo saga, cortana will go thorugh rampancy into metastability and then probably be converted into a human. With that said, I really hope they don't turn her relationship with Chief into a love interest. One of the biggest reasons for why the Cortana-Master Chief duo was so succesful in my opinion was because Bungie took great care in avoiding the classic love arc tropes that would have ruined the maturity of the series; so it worries me to see 343 go switch into such a different direction right off the bat.
Otterz said:I think it is pretty obvious after the final cut scene that there is a love between Cortana and the Chief. I think anyone here who can still deny that after watching it is either trying desperately to hold on to a colder version of the chief(why?, IDK), or has the emotional depth of a turnip.
You can try to say that it is platonic, but again if you are being honest with yourself you cannot really believe that after the final scene and all the lead up to it.
As so many people have said, Cortana is the "Human" aspect of John. This is really quite a touching story because as they mentioned in the prologue John is "broken" all of the tinkering they did to him made him less than human and incapable (or unaware) of emotions like love. Cortana is the one thing that John has ever cared for beyond his duty as a soldier, she "completes" him, fixes him, he retains his humanity because of her. Now how amazing is that, this is why Cortana can't stay dead, it is why the love is more than just a mother or a sibling.
I suspect that Cortana will, at least come back, but will likely return in a more significant way. This could mean she has a human body, or any number of things but whatever it is it will narrow or remove the boundaries between her and the chief. This brief "removal" of Cortana is just a way to give chief a chance to stand on his own. They said Halo 5 will be "darker" and I think that is because John must regain his humanity without Cortana, he is alone. However, in the end he will have a new found appreciation of his feelings for her.
Now I am not saying there will be some kind of crazy "love" scene in Halo, (cortana is already naked what more is there to show anyway?) but I do believe Cortana and the Chief are very much "romantic". Its like star crossed lovers to the extreme, and I really hope 343 doesn't back down on the obvious precedent they have set just because some kids can't deal with chief having a love interest.
Watch the Spartan Ops episode, The Infinity does have it's own A.I, can remember his name, but he looks like a military guy.skywolfblue said:I agree she's probably not going to stay dead. Either Halsy does some tinkering and mixes some cortana remnants from orbit with a new cortana clone to make a fresh AI with all the old memories, or they straight up find a backup copy somewhere (Requiem, Ring 3, or the remains of diadect's ship).
I felt the Quick Time Events were kinda out of place. They weren't "bad", they made sense, but it didn't feel very "Halo-y". I wonder why they didn't just make it a cinematic instead.
But 'dat trench run Star Wars style, that was awesome!
I think the already crossed the "love interest" line at the end of Halo 4. That was waaaay too intimate for friends.Scipio1770 said:With that said, I really hope they don't turn her relationship with Chief into a love interest. One of the biggest reasons for why the Cortana-Master Chief duo was so succesful in my opinion was because Bungie took great care in avoiding the classic love arc tropes that would have ruined the maturity of the series; so it worries me to see 343 go switch into such a different direction right off the bat.
Not related to the ending but:
Why doesn't the Infinity have an AI of it's own?
- I thought most UNSC cruisers and above carried their own AIs. Wouldn't a ship as big and important as the Infinity need one all the more? It would have been interesting to see Cortana have a short verbal sparring match or cooperation with another AI, I'm kinda sad they missed that chance.
Also, why doesn't the Infinity have a fleet of smaller ships with it?
- I guess "Plot" but putting all your naval eggs into one basket just begs for it's weaknesses to be exploited.
The AI's name is Roland:arc1991 said:Watch the Spartan Ops episode, The Infinity does have it's own A.I, can remember his name, but he looks like a military guy.skywolfblue said:I agree she's probably not going to stay dead. Either Halsy does some tinkering and mixes some cortana remnants from orbit with a new cortana clone to make a fresh AI with all the old memories, or they straight up find a backup copy somewhere (Requiem, Ring 3, or the remains of diadect's ship).
I felt the Quick Time Events were kinda out of place. They weren't "bad", they made sense, but it didn't feel very "Halo-y". I wonder why they didn't just make it a cinematic instead.
But 'dat trench run Star Wars style, that was awesome!
I think the already crossed the "love interest" line at the end of Halo 4. That was waaaay too intimate for friends.Scipio1770 said:With that said, I really hope they don't turn her relationship with Chief into a love interest. One of the biggest reasons for why the Cortana-Master Chief duo was so succesful in my opinion was because Bungie took great care in avoiding the classic love arc tropes that would have ruined the maturity of the series; so it worries me to see 343 go switch into such a different direction right off the bat.
Not related to the ending but:
Why doesn't the Infinity have an AI of it's own?
- I thought most UNSC cruisers and above carried their own AIs. Wouldn't a ship as big and important as the Infinity need one all the more? It would have been interesting to see Cortana have a short verbal sparring match or cooperation with another AI, I'm kinda sad they missed that chance.
Also, why doesn't the Infinity have a fleet of smaller ships with it?
- I guess "Plot" but putting all your naval eggs into one basket just begs for it's weaknesses to be exploited.
And it does have it's own ships, again in the episode we see multiple ships (similar to Forward unto Dawn) deploy from the bottom of the ship.![]()
I understand what you are saying, but I think the romance is there it is just very subtle (facing mortality has a way of speeding up these things).Rooster Cogburn said:Before Halo 4, I would have said there was no romantic interest between Master Chief and Cortana. You can care about someone you don't even want to wiggle your noodle in. It seems like they shoehorned the Pinocchio thing in literally in the last moments of the game with no build up so they could have a touching moment of romantic love between the two. I wouldn't say it ruined the tragedy of the moment, but it detracted from it. It should have been a time for the two old friends to reflect on how far they have come and look forward to the agony of absence, and how intolerable it really is. Cramming an implied romance in there probably made a lot of fans cream their pants, but I think a discerning palette will find it pretty unsatisfying.
Sometimes, a writer has to know when to restrain themselves. Plus, I liked it when we exploring the practical implications of a truly intelligent man-made machine. Not when Cortana was bleating "I'm a real boy!"
EDIT: For the record, stop letting close-minded know-nothings frame the issue over whether Master Chief should be "cold". He's a man who was turned into a machine. That's some Clockwork Orange shit right there. We should be exploring that character and the issues surrounding it, not having drawn-out melodrama with Chief boohooing like it's Devil May Cry or something.If you find yourself agreeing with MovieBob, it's a good idea to seriously reevaluate your opinion.
None of that went over my head. I just never interpreted it as you do. Any of those those things could mean there is a romantic connection, but they could also mean the two have developed a close bond of friendship. Or maybe it's more than that, maybe they're inseparable, like family. I think the latter is both more strongly suggested and a better choice for the characters' relationship. Even "I know how to pick 'em" could be interpreted as a joke. Actually it's exactly the kind of joke you might expect someone to make to a close friend of the opposite sex. After all, between them they're a one-liner-machine-gun.Otterz said:I understand what you are saying, but I think the romance is there it is just very subtle (facing mortality has a way of speeding up these things).
Oh man, I don't agree. I thought about this and it blew my mind. Based on this outing, I doubt 343 wants to touch anything as dark and thought provoking as this with a 20 foot pole. No, no, a 25 foot pole. But just imagine the tension between the Chief and the new "Cortana". What would he say to her? And she to him? How does Chief cope with this jarring course of events, and what is his relationship with the new "Cortana" like? How is the relationship complicated by the memories he has and sense of loyalty he feels for his dead friend? Does he feel that he has betrayed his friend? Does he view the new "Cortana" as an usurper? What does this practice of replacing A.I.s imply about their role in society? How do they feel about it? How should they feel? How should we?Spartan16 said:Now i am exited to see how Cortana will be braught back in Halo 5 (it cannot be a new Cortana model AI, as she states to John, in wont be her and if she is not braught back i will be questioning 343's ability to take the halo universe forwards). Wolud not want it to turn too obvious though and have it like a Mass Effect LI romance, that is not Halo or John/Cortana style.
1. That was the point of the two new novel series; to explain things and flesh out the story without rendering said story useless on its own. In this case; the Covenant fought in the game are a radical splinter group who went to Requiem to find one of their Gods. Their leader attacks the Forward Unto Dawn presumably to prevent the UNSC from finding out where they are and what they're up to.Scipio1770 said:Alright so my friends and I finished the campaign yesterday and were left a bit confused on a few points:
1. What exactly happened to make the Covenant and Humans at war again? 4 years isn't that long, I doubt that the entire prophet and brute races were wiped out that fast. Especially considering the fact that the Arbiter would still be alive at that point and would obviously be against war with the Humans.
2. The nuke thing, was Chief teleported away at the last second? surrounded by some lightbridge shield? digitized and then purged? How exactly did Cortana physically touch him otherwise?
3. Since the composer can switch data between digital and biological, and Cortana dropped the rather obvious hint that her mind was a copy of Dr. Halsey's neural tissues, We can predict that over the course of this new halo saga, cortana will go thorugh rampancy into metastability and then probably be converted into a human. With that said, I really hope they don't turn her relationship with Chief into a love interest. One of the biggest reasons for why the Cortana-Master Chief duo was so succesful in my opinion was because Bungie took great care in avoiding the classic love arc tropes that would have ruined the maturity of the series; so it worries me to see 343 go switch into such a different direction right off the bat.
4. For those of you who didn't finish it on Legendary, you actually see the upper half of Cheif's face in the end of the epilogue cutscene. I think that was a mistake. I realize they're trying to play this new 'Man or Machine' theme for the new saga, but it's still too early into the story for John's face to get kind of effect they're looking for. Unlike samus aran, there really isn't a shock value to seeing John's face: We already know his age, gender, race etc. Sure, you make him seem more human, but you also take away a huge mystery factor from his persona, so I think that move was net negative.
Rooster Cogburn said:Oh man, I don't agree. I thought about this and it blew my mind. Based on this outing, I doubt 343 wants to touch anything as dark and thought provoking as this with a 20 foot pole. No, no, a 25 foot pole. But just imagine the tension between the Chief and the new "Cortana". What would he say to her? And she to him? How does Chief cope with this jarring course of events, and what is his relationship with the new "Cortana" like? How is the relationship complicated by the memories he has and sense of loyalty he feels for his dead friend? Does he feel that he has betrayed his friend? Does he view the new "Cortana" as an usurper? What does this practice of replacing A.I.s imply about their role in society? How do they feel about it? How should they feel? How should we?Spartan16 said:Now i am exited to see how Cortana will be braught back in Halo 5 (it cannot be a new Cortana model AI, as she states to John, in wont be her and if she is not braught back i will be questioning 343's ability to take the halo universe forwards). Wolud not want it to turn too obvious though and have it like a Mass Effect LI romance, that is not Halo or John/Cortana style.
And what does any of this even mean to a human who is somehow... less than that?
Halo was pretty dark right from the start. This isn't a love story, although it may contain romance. It is science fiction. I don't know if it should be quite that dark, because this ain't exactly Dune. But I for one would probably go bonkers for it if they did that idea well. As I said earlier in this thread, Cortana's plea of "It won't be me!" was my favorite moment of the whole game. But the reason it was so poignant is exactly why they should do it. The implications are so thought-provoking, and it's bursting with drama and heartache. If they actually did replace Cortana, the sadness and significance of her pathetic plea would explode off the chart. I miss her already.
If I was writing Halo 5, I'm pretty sure that's what I would do. Fortunately for you if you don't like my version, I'm not lol. The current writers seem to just want bizarre backstory that's somehow convoluted and abbreviated at the same time and melodrama. *sigh*
We're veering dangerously close to Duncan Idaho territory.