The story was pretty easy to understand. Just because it was a prequel, does not mean it is all about explaining.
Halo Reach has no story.
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Ummm ever heard of Half Life or Bioshock? I don't understand your reasoning here, why should an FPS game have less of a storyline by nature? True, perhaps Halo storylines are a little wobbly at times, but at least they try to engage the player and give you a world you can believe in. Your logic is flawed.Cingal said:
Half-Life has no story
No
None.
Before you try to correct me no it doesn't
Who are the combine? what is a head crab?
What is black mesa?
Get my drift?
You seriously can't pay attention to what kind of story it is can you?
No
None.
Before you try to correct me no it doesn't
Who are the combine? what is a head crab?
What is black mesa?
Get my drift?
You seriously can't pay attention to what kind of story it is can you?
No story might be a stretch, but your points about it being a prequel that doesn't explain anything are valid. I love the Halo series, so I understood all of those questions you asked and more because I read the books. But I can totally see how a newcomer would be confused.
It was more like fanservice for existing fans truth be told.
It was more like fanservice for existing fans truth be told.
I have a cousin who bought this game and said it was one of the few STORY'S that he actually liked. So to say Halo Reach has no story is immediately wrong. Maybe it had no story to you but really, your title is all wrong...
That's easily one of the worst arguements for proving a point I've ever seen. As previous posts said, it was Bungie's farewell to the FANS of the Halo series, not your girlfriend. Even though this is a prequel and intended to tie into the first Halo game, it does rely on you having played the others. I think Bungie did an excellent job painting the picture of what it was like for one SMALL group of Spartans and their attempts to fight off the invading Covenant forces. If they had wanted it to seem on a larger scale, they would have changed the story around. However for what they were trying to do, it was done quite well.Cyan. said:
There's exceptions to every rule.Proverbial Jon said:
To put it into context, you've managed to name 2, and likely to be atleast 10 or so shooters released this year alone.
To respond to your edit.
It's simple a case of the market really.
FPSs tend to be made for people who like instant action, running around shooting things and don't want long sequences of conversation or explanation, as such, for some, the storyline will suffer.
It's not that the genre can't do it, it's just simple that it's not as popular or as common.
Oh, Fallout is another exception. Kinda.
A prequel doesnt particularly need to tell the backstory, it was produced under the assumption that player would have played at least halo 3. the 2 examples of good prequals in literature also rely on the reader having read the prior novels, magicians nephew and the silmarilion.
as for story, it follows the tale of the last days of reach, it has characters, a begining whoch explains the threat, a central part where hope is still possible, a crushing end section where you realise all is lost, and finally a twinkling of hope with the last level, its impossible to justify you're saying that the game has no story, it may not have fleshed out characters, it may not have background, but it still has a story.
i cant remember who it was, but someone once said that there are only 2 storys in the world, 'a stranger comes to town, and a man goes on a journey' in reach both of these happen, and they happen with a rush of addrenaline and emotion
as for story, it follows the tale of the last days of reach, it has characters, a begining whoch explains the threat, a central part where hope is still possible, a crushing end section where you realise all is lost, and finally a twinkling of hope with the last level, its impossible to justify you're saying that the game has no story, it may not have fleshed out characters, it may not have background, but it still has a story.
i cant remember who it was, but someone once said that there are only 2 storys in the world, 'a stranger comes to town, and a man goes on a journey' in reach both of these happen, and they happen with a rush of addrenaline and emotion
Cyan. said:
I get your meaning... but Half Life is different. All the clues to what is going on are hidden in the game world. On my first playthrough of HL2, I had no bloody idea what was going on. I've played that game (and the episodes) multiple times now and I always pick up something new that I missed before about the backstory.Terminate421 said:
Half Life typically leaves a lot of questions unanswered agreed, but I think it's all part of Valve's plan. Reach however... has a lot of holes, despite the amount of times you care to play through it. There will always be details you can only find in the books.
Hey, I didn't say it made sense... just that there was a story present in the game! I agree HL is all kinds of crazy, but I'm hoping HL2:EP3 will tie up a few of the loose ends!DazBurger said:
I agree with the argument, however, it needs to be structured like this:
Is there a story? YES
Does it tell the story/is there a narrative? NO
The problem is a legacy feature of the series, seeing as the player is the penultimate ground fighting unit, meaning that everything around him/her will get dead quick. The events that take place throughout the quadrilogy (anthology?) form a narrative, but since the perspective is one of a super-soldier constantly locked between duty and the unknown, it is not surprise when anything of note happens off-frame, when another entity is speaking about the Chief/the Rookie/the Noble Team.
As a hopeless troglodyte who eats up fluff, I perused the series' encyclopedia and found that there was a beautifully dark narrative involving multiple layers of corrupt government, shady deals, hope against a unified enemy, cyclical tragedy, abuse of a hegemony, false prophets, revelation and redemption... But I'd be damned to dig any of that out from the game proper...
Having played through about three quarters of Reach, I can say that the game tries really hard to look pretty and move with a purpose -and it mostly succeeds. However, to anyone who isn't thinking about every damn detail in context of a larger narrative ( like me), the game is largely armored dudes shooting uglier armored dudes.
I felt that Halo:Wars was a much greater story vehicle for the series than the principal games. Why? It offered episodic exposition, contextual overview of tied-in missions, and scaled characters and various wargear with each other in a way that made sense! Of course, you couldn't teabag anybody, so the game is largely decried by the fanbase.
So! I support the notion that Reach did not tell its story well: it assumed great familiarity with the series, required one to suspend disbelief and simply score as many party-popping head shots as there were grunts on-screen. Preferably with three other friends, as the difficulty was tweaked towards group play...
But pretty lens flare effects and polarized helmet visors do not a good story make.
Is there a story? YES
Does it tell the story/is there a narrative? NO
The problem is a legacy feature of the series, seeing as the player is the penultimate ground fighting unit, meaning that everything around him/her will get dead quick. The events that take place throughout the quadrilogy (anthology?) form a narrative, but since the perspective is one of a super-soldier constantly locked between duty and the unknown, it is not surprise when anything of note happens off-frame, when another entity is speaking about the Chief/the Rookie/the Noble Team.
As a hopeless troglodyte who eats up fluff, I perused the series' encyclopedia and found that there was a beautifully dark narrative involving multiple layers of corrupt government, shady deals, hope against a unified enemy, cyclical tragedy, abuse of a hegemony, false prophets, revelation and redemption... But I'd be damned to dig any of that out from the game proper...
Having played through about three quarters of Reach, I can say that the game tries really hard to look pretty and move with a purpose -and it mostly succeeds. However, to anyone who isn't thinking about every damn detail in context of a larger narrative ( like me), the game is largely armored dudes shooting uglier armored dudes.
I felt that Halo:Wars was a much greater story vehicle for the series than the principal games. Why? It offered episodic exposition, contextual overview of tied-in missions, and scaled characters and various wargear with each other in a way that made sense! Of course, you couldn't teabag anybody, so the game is largely decried by the fanbase.
So! I support the notion that Reach did not tell its story well: it assumed great familiarity with the series, required one to suspend disbelief and simply score as many party-popping head shots as there were grunts on-screen. Preferably with three other friends, as the difficulty was tweaked towards group play...
But pretty lens flare effects and polarized helmet visors do not a good story make.
I actually wasn't flat out being douchy towards half-life, I know valves tricks to the story, placing the stuff in the environmentProverbial Jon said:
Halo: Reach actually did this too. For starters, on the third mission, you come across a small human encampment, next to one of the rebels was actually a note in blood that said, run. A second later, two REALLY big enemies come charging at you.
Plus I was trying to make him look bad for using.....THAT as an intro, thats like movie bob saying "Theres nothing good about this movie- STOP! no no no, I don't want to hear it from you fanboys!"
You both seem to lack of common sense.
I'am a Halo buff, yeah. But most of the stuff you both missed is fairly obvious for evryone with a flippin' brain.
I'am a Halo buff, yeah. But most of the stuff you both missed is fairly obvious for evryone with a flippin' brain.
Actually, the ending of the game contradicts on an epic scale the book. Wich 343 industries have to deel with now.Jiraiya72 said: