Hardcore Will Adopt Kinect First, Says Microsoft

[UltimatheChosen]

My main beef with Kinect is that the absence of a traditional controller means it'll have major issues with many games, making it an expensive purchase for a handful of titles.

You have to remember that some games will be using both Kinect, and the tradition controller. Fable 3, for example, is slated to use Kinect for townsfolk interactions and such, but still use the controller for regular gameplay.

It doesn't have to be a controller replacement, so much as a controller enhancement.

Plus I know my wife will love the sports games and stuff, so it's win-win.

While there's nothing keeping them from using both, there's still not much of a point to it. For games that use it exclusively, you're dealing with an incredibly awkward "UI". For games that use it and a controller... well, you may as well just stick motion controls on an actual controller, like the Wii or PS3.

Apparently, Microsoft is trying to differentiate themselves from the competition. But their method of doing so is profoundly flawed.

 

[TheDrunkNinja]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TylvUGJIi_w

*bows graciously*

 

[Snor]

i dont do motion control games... i sport wednesdays and i dont want to run around *idea, will come back to it later* tiring myself. gaming is not for being fit etc. being fit is achieved by not eating so much bad food and actually moving outside the house (fast metabolism helps)

now for that idea: will people play motion games by waving their penises around?

 

[starwarsgeek]

The Wii couldn't have a game without tacked on controls. It's so bad that games get flamed if they lack motion controls. The controls are never that good, the wiimote's sensor sucks, the wii lacks serious games (not talking about mature as most mature games a blood and nothing more) that make me want to continue. The Wii is so adamant about making me stand up...

1. Super Smash Bros. Brawl does not have required motion controls...I've never heard anyone complain about that

2. Many games control very well. Specifically, the games made by Nintendo and Capcom tend to be have great controls, as well as the railroad shooters, a couple of Sega games, and--from what I've head--Red Steel 2, Murasama: The Demon Blade, and a host of third party titles that never got the popularity they deserved because the shovelware makes people scared to pick up something they've never heard of.

3. Please define "serious game". If you mean something with a deep, involving story, then I direct your attention to the upcoming Warren Spector game, Disney Epic Mickey.

4. I've never once stood up to play a wii game...you're doing it wrong

 

[StayPuff]

This reminds me of a scene from the office

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc&NR=1

 

[Baby Tea]

My initial stance was that I thought the WiiMote was a mistake, a statement which I still stand by (I have to wonder exactly how many broken televisions, windows and other household items the WiiMote is responsible for). I went on to express my distaste for the Wii in general. A personal prefernce, and nothing I've seen from it's consumers or developers has yet to convince me otherwise.

Not the 70 million sold, huh?
Not the fact that it's the best selling console?

Yeah. What a mistake.
But at least you admitted it's a personal preference.

Motion Controls are unnessecary and tend to have control issues. Again, skip the 3D and motion controls, let's get the Neural Interface Unit going. Peripheial seem to appeal to a lot of people, but I'll just keep my money, thank you.

'Necessity' has nothing to do with it. We're talking about a luxury item.
Secondly, you just admit that these controls appeal to a lot of people, but you want to ditch them?
I'm glad you're not in charge of these companies.
And thirdly, what control issues? I've played the Wii a bunch of times, and never had control issues. The games play fine. And if the controls are poor, that's the same as bad controls in a 'normal' game: Developer's fault.

WiiSports games are games in the way that Curling is a sport. Somebody took the time and effort to develop it, people play it, there's a fanbase for it. Call it a "Niche Game" if you will. They vary pretty widely from what was commonly accepted as a videogame for a number of years. Sports sims confuse me, honestly. You can sit around on your couch and pretend to play tennis. Or you can go get a few mates and go play tennis. Comparing that to telling FPS players to go buy a real gun or join the military and shoot people is outlandish and irresponsible.

Hey did you see that? It was my point. You missed it.
The whole idea of games is to do things you normally couldn't, or that would require a greater deal of commitment that people don't have the time/money/ability for. I can't play real tennis to save my life, but I can play Wii tennis like a pro. And it's more fun. I do play bass guitar, but guitar hero is a completely different kind of 'fun'.

The FPS analogy isn't to be taken literally. It's an example, using the exact same logic you have for not playing 'tennis games'. To reword one of your own sentences: "You can sit around on your couch and pretend to be in the military. Or you can go and join the military." See? Same logic. Games are about escapism and doing awesome stuff that you normally couldn't do. Like run around a battlefield, slay a dragon, and play tennis. I can't play tennis. I've tried, I suck at it. I can play the game, though! And then it's more fun.

 

[Buizel91]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no! This is exactly what I was worried about! I don't want my games to have stupid, tacked on, utterly pointless gimmicks for Kinect in them! I don't want to have alchemy in Elder Scrolls have me use Kinect! If it becomes mandatory then I'll really be pissed, I can only pray that it doesn't come to that.

It does say that you don't have to use kinect and the games can be played with controller, unless it's something like kinectimals lol

 

[Aesir23]

They're joking right? Ok, who put LSD into Microsoft's coffee machine?

 

[ohellynot]

I have zero faith in a company to reach a target audience that can't even spell "Connect" correctly.

Also, controller Enhancment shit like this is always a bad idea. Didn't we learn anything from the Power Glove and the Wiimote?

Hey, no ragging on the power glove.
It didnt work and it was shit but man is the power glove cool.

 

[Baby Tea]

While there's nothing keeping them from using both, there's still not much of a point to it. For games that use it exclusively, you're dealing with an incredibly awkward "UI". For games that use it and a controller... well, you may as well just stick motion controls on an actual controller, like the Wii or PS3.

Apparently, Microsoft is trying to differentiate themselves from the competition. But their method of doing so is profoundly flawed.

No?
I like the idea of leaning to make my guy lean.
Or solving a puzzle using Kinect.
Or turning my head a bit so I can look into corners while driving.
And I'd rather do that with Kinect, rather then a new set of controls.

And have you used Kinect? Or programmed for it? How awkward is the UI?
Everyone is making these judgments based on what? Every preview I've read said that it's fun to play. Isn't that the important part? Sure it has a bit of a learning curve, just like every control scheme ever. So how is it 'profoundly flawed' if people all over the place, who have actually played it, say it's fun to play?

 

[Kuilui]

Microsoft is so very delusional sometimes. Kinect wont ever be for the "hardcore". If anything it will be much like a DS game which basically all of them have that touch screen gimmick for one reason or another, even if it doesn't make sense. If anything that's what Kinect will be in any "Hardcore" game and even then it will be optional. So while the thought of crafting in oblivion or whatever with my hands*Gasp how cool is that, not* I think most people will pass. Unless you have a lot of excess money laying around I mean realistically this thing will cost 150 then if you want to use it once you get it at least another 60 just for one game. So your really spending over 200 dollars just to start on some gimmicky toy? Well if I ever need to get rid of all my money very fast maybe I'll look into it.

 

[HassEsser]

When I read this, I said to myself, "Mmmhmmmmm..... I'm sure"

 

[Ganthrinor]

My initial stance was that I thought the WiiMote was a mistake, a statement which I still stand by (I have to wonder exactly how many broken televisions, windows and other household items the WiiMote is responsible for). I went on to express my distaste for the Wii in general. A personal prefernce, and nothing I've seen from it's consumers or developers has yet to convince me otherwise.

Not the 70 million sold, huh?
Not the fact that it's the best selling console?

Yeah. What a mistake.
But at least you admitted it's a personal preference.

Motion Controls are unnessecary and tend to have control issues. Again, skip the 3D and motion controls, let's get the Neural Interface Unit going. Peripheial seem to appeal to a lot of people, but I'll just keep my money, thank you.

'Necessity' has nothing to do with it. We're talking about a luxury item.
Secondly, you just admit that these controls appeal to a lot of people, but you want to ditch them?
I'm glad you're not in charge of these companies.
And thirdly, what control issues? I've played the Wii a bunch of times, and never had control issues. The games play fine. And if the controls are poor, that's the same as bad controls in a 'normal' game: Developer's fault.

WiiSports games are games in the way that Curling is a sport. Somebody took the time and effort to develop it, people play it, there's a fanbase for it. Call it a "Niche Game" if you will. They vary pretty widely from what was commonly accepted as a videogame for a number of years. Sports sims confuse me, honestly. You can sit around on your couch and pretend to play tennis. Or you can go get a few mates and go play tennis. Comparing that to telling FPS players to go buy a real gun or join the military and shoot people is outlandish and irresponsible.

Hey did you see that? It was my point. You missed it.
The whole idea of games is to do things you normally couldn't, or that would require a greater deal of commitment that people don't have the time/money/ability for. I can't play real tennis to save my life, but I can play Wii tennis like a pro. And it's more fun. I do play bass guitar, but guitar hero is a completely different kind of 'fun'.

The FPS analogy isn't to be taken literally. It's an example, using the exact same logic you have for not playing 'tennis games'. To reword one of your own sentences: "You can sit around on your couch and pretend to be in the military. Or you can go and join the military." See? Same logic. Games are about escapism and doing awesome stuff that you normally couldn't do. Like run around a battlefield, slay a dragon, and play tennis. I can't play tennis. I've tried, I suck at it. I can play the game, though! And then it's more fun.

You keep making these giant long posts about how I'm wrong for disliking the Wii and motion controls but all I hear is the mewling of somebody that can't fathom that somebody doesn't like what they do and must convert them to the "proper" school of thought by any means nessecary.

Oh, and you can stop putting words in my mouth too.

 

[t_rexaur]

You keep making these giant long posts about how I'm wrong for disliking the Wii and motion controls but all I hear is the mewling of somebody that can't fathom that somebody doesn't like what they do and must convert them to the "proper" school of thought by any means nessecary.

Oh, and you can stop putting words in my mouth too.

I'm more interested by the fact that you don't see games like Wii Sports as proper games, or that the vary from what games have "acceptably" been like for the past 5 years.

Because, you know, that's kinda implying that games are restricted by something other than hardware limitations. Last time I checked a game was something you played and a video game is therefore something you play of a video game console.

Tell me what do you see as an acceptable game?

 

[Baby Tea]

You keep making these giant long posts about how I'm wrong for disliking the Wii and motion controls but all I hear is the mewling of somebody that can't fathom that somebody doesn't like what they do and must convert them to the "proper" school of thought by any means nessecary.

What I can't fathom is how someone calls something that sold like crazy, and continues to sell, a 'mistake'. What I can't fathom is the hate and bile spewed at a system that isn't required for daily living. It's hate spewed at a luxury item that one isn't required to own. It's a system that they don't own, but yet hate it, and call the company that made it 'whores' even though millions of people enjoy the product.

That's what I can't understand.
I can't understand why people get so mad over something has hasn't effected them at all.
A Wii didn't kill your dog, right? You don't own a Wii? Your ex girlfriend didn't leave you for a Wii?

'Hardcore' games have continued to grow and sell in record numbers all the while, yet you act like the Wii committed the worst of sins.
That's what I don't get.

Oh, and you can stop putting words in my mouth too.

Really? Point that out for me.

 

[Ganthrinor]

I'm more interested by the fact that you don't see games like Wii Sports as proper games, or that the vary from what games have "acceptably" been like for the past 5 years.

Because, you know, that's kinda implying that games are restricted by something other than hardware limitations. Last time I checked a game was something you played and a video game is therefore something you play of a video game console.

Tell me what do you see as an acceptable game?

Since you seemed to have skimmed over it, I'll go ahead and repost this.

"WiiSports games are games in the way that Curling is a sport. Somebody took the time and effort to develop it, people play it, there's a fanbase for it. Call it a "Niche Game" if you will."

 

[Iron Mal]

Seeing as we don't know what games are going to come out that are comparible with the Kinect or how they will use it, trying to make judgements now is like when people were trying to make judgements about how Gears of War 2 would be shit and samey even though all we had seen was a few screenshots and the front cover (the day came when it came out and it was actually pretty good in my opinion).

It has the potential to be good, we'll have to give it a chance and wait and see.

Some people seem to be reacting to it as if it's another Wii but then we have to remember that, like the eye-toy on the PS2 (which I actually enjoyed), it'll only be for certain games and some games will use it alongside a regular controller.

It seems to me that 'hardcore' gamers are turning their noses up at this because it's apparantly 'beneath them' (the usual opinion expressed by PC gamers about 'consoletards'), I think we seriously need to lose the illusion of 'eliteness' and get over ourselves.

Who cares if it's 'worthy' of our precious time (that could be better used showing some slack jawed nob how epic we are at Call of Duty or Team Fortress 2) as long as it's fun to play? (please note the sarcasm in the brackets of this paragraph)

 

[AlbedoAtoned]

The Wii couldn't have a game without tacked on controls. It's so bad that games get flamed if they lack motion controls. The controls are never that good, the wiimote's sensor sucks, the wii lacks serious games (not talking about mature as most mature games a blood and nothing more) that make me want to continue. The Wii is so adamant about making me stand up...

1. Super Smash Bros. Brawl does not have required motion controls...I've never heard anyone complain about that

2. Many games control very well. Specifically, the games made by Nintendo and Capcom tend to be have great controls, as well as the railroad shooters, a couple of Sega games, and--from what I've head--Red Steel 2, Murasama: The Demon Blade, and a host of third party titles that never got the popularity they deserved because the shovelware makes people scared to pick up something they've never heard of.

3. Please define "serious game". If you mean something with a deep, involving story, then I direct your attention to the upcoming Warren Spector game, Disney Epic Mickey.

4. I've never once stood up to play a wii game...you're doing it wrong

1. Yeah and I avoid motion controls. They ported Resident Evil to the Wii with motion controls tacked on.

2. The Buttons work well enough, it's the IR sensor that sucks. My controller is first party and it rarely controls consistantly. There are also many blind spots in it's sensing. The only game I have gotten to work perfectly is Super Mario Galaxy (haven't played 2 yet)

3. That game hasn't released yet therefore I can't render judgment nor praise yet although after reading this.... http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/101759-No-More-Mean-Mickey-in-Epic-Mickey. Zelda games are great. They make You think.They are deep in that respect. Final Fantasy games are also great. They also make you think, but slightly differently. No More heroes was okay. It ws too immature because it tried to be M rated. Xenosaga Is a great series. The storyline was deep. Mario is great. The games have deep gameplay for such a kiddish icon. Jak and Daxter games are good. Metroid Prime 3 as well as the prequels are great. The third game was a great conclusion to the trilogy.

My games are not dictated by rating. I play most genres. The Wii's problem is is that many developers are releasing party game or movie game and that is what is taking up most of the wii's library. When Developers hear cries for more hardcore games, they make games that rely on blood and curse words to make it hardcore. Hardcore is the niche on the wii. I don't want niche titles. I want Batman Arkham Asylum, I want inFamous, I want Metal Gear Solid 4, I want more Resident Evil like Resident Evil Remake and Zero was. Ico was emotionally endearing in a weird way, and it was unique. The Wii has potential. Hopefully developers are taking us seriously now and will release more games that are more than minigames and videogame versions of the latest movie. It can be don, The Ds is proof of that.

4. Like I said My wii sensor has blind spots and usually you would have to stand up.