Hardcore Will Adopt Kinect First, Says Microsoft

[t_rexaur]

Also, controller Enhancment shit like this is always a bad idea. Didn't we learn anything from the Power Glove and the Wiimote?

The Power Glove I can understand, but the Wiimote?
The main controller for the console that outsold the crap out of the other two?
The main controller for the console that has Nintendo swimming in money filled pools, and then drying themselves off with more money?
The main controller for the console that introduced gaming to a who massive group of people who otherwise would have never bothered?

That Wiimote?
Just checking.

Yes, the controller for the system that panders to the masses with terrible games.

Yes, the controller for the system that turned Nintendo into whores.

Yes, the controller for the system that lets mouthbreathing fuckwits claim to be gamers.

The Wiimote. Vibrating Motion-Dildo of "Hey This Game Controls Like Shit".

Wow! I didn't know gaming was only for twenty somethings who enjoy blood, guts, and sex. I have to go call my grandma a "mouthbreathing fuckwit" for trying to play video games. Get over yourself! Video games are essentially toys. You know the thing kids play with all day so quit acting like a hardcore gaming Nazi. Secondly, every console has huge amounts of shovelware. The Wii just has the most right now because no one really knows how to make a good game with motion controls. Yet, there is still a shit ton of shovelware on consoles with regular controls we have been playing for years. Finally, I disagree with you that Nintendo are whores for making a lot of money. They took a huge chance on a new control scheme and it could have easily landed them in the poorhouse. They did something new and it paid off immensely. Don't call them whores for taking a chance and succeeding. Gaming is a hobby! It is not some religion where you should shun all those who don't believe as fiercely as you do.

I think the fact your Grandma plays it renders the rest of your wall-o-text invalid. dude above you is right.

Oh noes! Someone's Grandmother plays a Wii! Clearly this is a travesty so large that it actually detracts from your enjoyment of games! Surely the very knowledge that small children and older people play games is so perverse that you'll never enjoy playing games again!

Meanwhile, while you and others like you get on with that, those of us who are actually mature enough to realise that a good game is a good game regardless of looks or console will continue to enjoy games for what they are: Fun.

 

[Treblaine]

Translation: "The loyal Xbots will buy whatever exclusive crap we release"

I am an Xbox 360 user and I am MAD AS HELL with Microsoft's bloody fans, they don't hold a high standard they just endlessly defend their chosen platform like a bloody religion. If Xbox users refuse to buy Kinect till it has a wide selection of really interesting and unique and deep games for it then things might actually change for the better.

also the controller which dumbed down most of Nintendos games to a whole new level of kiddy games

Huh? But Super Mario Galaxy 1 & especially 2, those are INCREDIBLE games, highest rated on review Aggregate sites. Sure Wii has been inundated with casual shovelware, but so have consoles with hardcore shovelware, it's just we ignore those

Wii mote is absolutely ideal (second only to computer mouse) for aiming as in rail Shooters or FPS games (if you don't include noob features like aim-assist and COD's "auto-snap" for consoles). Wii Controller's pointing precision is amazing, thanks to use of the sensor bar, it is a genius piece of design that allows great accuracy with low latency and virtually insignificant processing overhead.

Small question: how many of the games in your PS3 and Xbox 360 games collection have seen a PC release?

It's just because 150 games is a HELL of a stretch for Xbox 360 which has only been out since late 2005, I only have about 150 PC games from the entire 1999 to 2010 period and that is really pushing not only games that are worth my money, but even worth my time if they sold for pittance.

 

[Flamezdudes]

I really want what Microsoft are smoking, they already admitted Kinect was for the Casual gamers so what the hell?

 

[AlbedoAtoned]

Is your grandma going to play all of those party and sports games, because otherwise that's time wasted that could have gone to developing an intriguing game that will last longer than playing an hour or two on fridays. Besides many play games to immerse themselves or relax. Hard to do when flailing. take that! (Phoenix Wright style) http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=296

 

[Akalistos]

Plus I know my wife will love the sports games and stuff, so it's win-win.

Your intentions are clear. It's not about the game but the bedroom.

Also, controller Enhancment shit like this is always a bad idea. Didn't we learn anything from the Power Glove and the Wiimote?

The Power Glove I can understand, but the Wiimote?
The main controller for the console that outsold the crap out of the other two?
The main controller for the console that has Nintendo swimming in money filled pools, and then drying themselves off with more money?
The main controller for the console that introduced gaming to a who massive group of people who otherwise would have never bothered?

That Wiimote?
Just checking.

also the controller which dumbed down most of Nintendos games to a whole new level of kiddy games and sports games that just use the Wii because people see movement based controls and think it can be a replacement for exercise or the other people who flock to it because they could not handle button controls and thought the motion contol would be easier.

Not to mention that fan dislike the Wiimote, so they did the classic controller. The Gamecube controller is still favorite on many title and that it took years before they fix the sensibility of the Wiimote... with a extention.... that is most used for On-rail FPS like the Resident Evil remake. Yeah, i think we are speaking about that abortion of good taste.

 

[Treblaine]

Also, controller Enhancment shit like this is always a bad idea. Didn't we learn anything from the Power Glove and the Wiimote?

The Power Glove I can understand, but the Wiimote?
The main controller for the console that outsold the crap out of the other two?
The main controller for the console that has Nintendo swimming in money filled pools, and then drying themselves off with more money?
The main controller for the console that introduced gaming to a who massive group of people who otherwise would have never bothered?

That Wiimote?
Just checking.

Yes, the controller for the system that panders to the masses with terrible games.

Yes, the controller for the system that turned Nintendo into whores.

Yes, the controller for the system that lets mouthbreathing fuckwits claim to be gamers.

The Wiimote. Vibrating Motion-Dildo of "Hey This Game Controls Like Shit".

Wow! I didn't know gaming was only for twenty somethings who enjoy blood, guts, and sex. I have to go call my grandma a "mouthbreathing fuckwit" for trying to play video games. Get over yourself! Video games are essentially toys. You know the thing kids play with all day so quit acting like a hardcore gaming Nazi. Secondly, every console has huge amounts of shovelware. The Wii just has the most right now because no one really knows how to make a good game with motion controls. Yet, there is still a shit ton of shovelware on consoles with regular controls we have been playing for years. Finally, I disagree with you that Nintendo are whores for making a lot of money. They took a huge chance on a new control scheme and it could have easily landed them in the poorhouse. They did something new and it paid off immensely. Don't call them whores for taking a chance and succeeding. Gaming is a hobby! It is not some religion where you should shun all those who don't believe as fiercely as you do.

I think the fact your Grandma plays it renders the rest of your wall-o-text invalid. dude above you is right.

Oh noes! Someone's Grandmother plays a Wii! Clearly this is a travesty so large that it actually detracts from your enjoyment of games! Surely the very knowledge that small children and older people play games is so perverse that you'll never enjoy playing games again!

Meanwhile, while you and others like you get on with that, those of us who are actually mature enough to realise that a good game is a good game regardless of looks or console will continue to enjoy games for what they are: Fun.

Give up, anybody who so quickly resorts to saying crap like:

"Yes, the controller for the system that lets mouthbreathing fuckwits claim to be gamers."

does not deserve a response, only to be ignored and pointed out to a moderator if they don't correct their bad behaviour.

McFace and Ganthrinor are being an elitist assholes, with an an embarrassingly narrow and prejudiced definition of what a "gamer" is and seems to completely misunderstand - like so many people, including developers - what Nintendo is actually doing. They aren't selling out, they have an ingenious blue ocean business strategy which they intend to GROW. These "simple games" are jsut to hook them, you then draw them upstream with steadily more and more complex games.

The industry needs fresh blood and you can't draw novices in with COD4.

 

[Marowit]

Just like the Wii, eh?

Unless they launch with games that are well polished mechanically, and really interesting I have absolutely zero, 0, desire to spend $150 on a peripheral and a further $60/game.

Gimmicks only get you so far, but if they are just looking to sell as many as they can off the bat, and try to catch up with Wii sales, they're going to be disappointed. The demographic that owns PS3s/360s is a much different audience than those who own the Wii, at least so far as I can tell - game titles released for the PS3/360 tend to support this though.

Perhaps I'm not part of the hardcore demographic he was talking about though...

 

[Akalistos]

Translation: "The loyal Xbots will buy whatever exclusive crap we release"

I am an Xbox 360 user and I am MAD AS HELL with Microsoft's bloody fans, they don't hold a high standard they just endlessly defend their chosen platform like a bloody religion. If Xbox users refuse to buy Kinect till it has a wide selection of really interesting and unique and deep games for it then things might actually change for the better.

also the controller which dumbed down most of Nintendos games to a whole new level of kiddy games

Huh? But Super Mario Galaxy 1 & especially 2, those are INCREDIBLE games, highest rated on review Aggregate sites. Sure Wii has been inundated with casual shovelware, but so have consoles with hardcore shovelware, it's just we ignore those.

I think he is referring as the constant flailing of the wiimote to the same flailing a 3 year old kid do with his toys. I've seen this, i gave a 15 year old spider-man that i kept as memento of my childhood to my nephew and I'm shocked how much he shake that thing.

Wii mote is absolutely ideal (second only to computer mouse) for aiming as in rail Shooters or FPS games (if you don't include noob features like aim-assist and COD's "auto-snap" for consoles). Wii Controller's pointing precision is amazing, thanks to use of the sensor bar, it is a genius piece of design that allows great accuracy with low latency and virtually insignificant processing overhead.

Small question: how many of the games in your PS3 and Xbox 360 games collection have seen a PC release?

It's just because 150 games is a HELL of a stretch for Xbox 360 which has only been out since late 2005, I only have about 150 PC games from the entire 1999 to 2010 period and that is really pushing not only games that are worth my money, but even worth my time if they sold for pittance.

I can't say about PC, but there no way a gamer would buy kinect. They are going the route of Popcap game and try to still his market.

 

[Baby Tea]

Your intentions are clear. It's not about the game but the bedroom.

Excuse me?
The 'win-win' refers to the fact that now my wife will be able to enjoy my favourite past-time in a way that appeals to her gaming ability. It has nothing to do with 'the bedroom'. That's ridiculous.

 

[Jeronus]

Also, controller Enhancment shit like this is always a bad idea. Didn't we learn anything from the Power Glove and the Wiimote?

The Power Glove I can understand, but the Wiimote?
The main controller for the console that outsold the crap out of the other two?
The main controller for the console that has Nintendo swimming in money filled pools, and then drying themselves off with more money?
The main controller for the console that introduced gaming to a who massive group of people who otherwise would have never bothered?

That Wiimote?
Just checking.

Yes, the controller for the system that panders to the masses with terrible games.

Yes, the controller for the system that turned Nintendo into whores.

Yes, the controller for the system that lets mouthbreathing fuckwits claim to be gamers.

The Wiimote. Vibrating Motion-Dildo of "Hey This Game Controls Like Shit".

Wow! I didn't know gaming was only for twenty somethings who enjoy blood, guts, and sex. I have to go call my grandma a "mouthbreathing fuckwit" for trying to play video games. Get over yourself! Video games are essentially toys. You know the thing kids play with all day so quit acting like a hardcore gaming Nazi. Secondly, every console has huge amounts of shovelware. The Wii just has the most right now because no one really knows how to make a good game with motion controls. Yet, there is still a shit ton of shovelware on consoles with regular controls we have been playing for years. Finally, I disagree with you that Nintendo are whores for making a lot of money. They took a huge chance on a new control scheme and it could have easily landed them in the poorhouse. They did something new and it paid off immensely. Don't call them whores for taking a chance and succeeding. Gaming is a hobby! It is not some religion where you should shun all those who don't believe as fiercely as you do.

I think the fact your Grandma plays it renders the rest of your wall-o-text invalid. dude above you is right.

Did you read what he wrote? He basically said anyone who isn't hardcore shouldn't be gaming at all. That is about as wrong as you can get. Video games are toys! Toys, you know those things everyone can play with. It is not some private club for people who only enjoy a certain kind of game. The controller is meant for both hardcore and casual gamers. They wanted to open gaming up to everyone and that is what they did. A lot of terrible games were made but that is not what I was arguing. Hell, I even admitted if you read my entire post. I was saying gaming isn't exclusive to nerds who spend most their time inside but everyone else.

 

[therookie95]

Is it just me or am I the only one who relizes that the kinect is an HD eye toy,
If all the consoles just begin using gimmick after gimmick more developers are just going to add little gimmicks to all of their games like alchemy in elder scrolls and quick darw elements in Caall of Juarez, their either going to waste most of their budgets making sure these gimmicks work right, causing the rest of the game have major issues or thet'll have the elements, but their going to wind up broken and unplayable sort of like how on the Wii, many games are a lot easier to play using a gamecube controler over the Wiimote. This could easily become a problem with the Kinect... assuming the games aren't so bad no one even bothers to buy it.

 

[siddif]

I am a "hardcore" wii gamer and i know a few others but it is almost impossible to get any of the hardcore games popular on the Wii it will be even harder with the more expensive xbox/kinect combo (considering every Wii gamer has the console, not every Xbox gamer will have kinect)

I honestly cant see this happening especially with Kinectimals being a flagship title.

 

[Stormz]

Well I've always wanted to pet a virtual tiger. That is the ultimate hardcore experience!

Why Pet my real cat when I have a virtual kitty?

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

I won't be getting one for several reasons, mainly to do with my lack of funds right now, but I just don't see the appeal of things like this anyway.

Especially if you were going to try to add a realistic quick draw mechanic to a western game. You'd hae to slow down the interface so much. The difficulty settings would have little meaning, because some people just can't do that motion that fast, and especially to have to aim too. Players are used to either mouse and keyboard or controller and joysticks, how many of us would actually have the ability to outdraw some of the faster antagonists in a western game? (I'm thinking more of Red Dead Revolver's little quickdraw mechanic here. Some of the enemies would be able to draw down and shoot you before you could clear leather even as the game went into slow motion to help you out for God's sake)

 

[Akalistos]

Your intentions are clear. It's not about the game but the bedroom.

Excuse me?
The 'win-win' refers to the fact that now my wife will be able to enjoy my favourite past-time in a way that appeals to her gaming ability. It has nothing to do with 'the bedroom'. That's ridiculous.

Then your post is ambiguous. When you said it like that, i get the same impression as if you said to ask your wife playing with your wii.

 

[Sneaky Paladin]

Wait the person saying this is from Product Marketing. No shit he'd say this instead of confirming last weeks comments.

 

[Hallow'sEve]

Still not buying it, they're really gonna have to pull out the big guns if they expect me to buy Kinect.

 

[Sixties Spidey]

God only knows what orifice this man is talking from.

 

[Teh Ty]

I almost want to call this a dare."Hey, hardcore gamers are buying this first, and if you're not a hardcore gamer, you won't buy this immediately."

 

[poiuppx]

Ugh.

Microsoft, I JUST WROTE yesterday how I was hoping you guys would succeed. Stop saying things that make it even clearer you have no bloody clue how to market this, or worse, what the hell it's going to be good for.

If it's for casuals, shut up, aim for them, make a version with Bieber's face plastered on the front, and grab some licenses from Mattel to make games around. If it's for hardcore gamers, then provide ANYTHING to indicate that PRIOR to launch. If it's for both, try convincing the hardcore gamers of that, and that they'll get an equal share of the pie.

This is why I dug how Sony is positioning the Move, to try and cover from Day 1 the hardcore and casual crowds. Will it work? No clue. But if the games they're showcasing work well, they might pull it off. Over on Kinect, we've got dancing, river rafting, and playing with my new pet tiger. Woo.

I still WANT to give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt, because this sort of tech has amazing potential down the line. But to get there, they need to pick a market and actually TARGET it. Cripes, did anyone in their top offices EVER take a marketing class? How do you so violently forget the logic behind targeted marketing and brand positioning?

MAYBE if they still had Bungie as an exclusive, and MAYBE if they were still going to be making Halo games after Reach, you could work something out there. Kinect plus Halo would be cash money, cause folks WOULD pay for that if done even moderately right. But they don't. They've shown basically nothing to indicate to the hardcore crowd they should bother. News flash, Microsoft; $150 means roughly 2-3 games new at launch. Is the hardcore audience REALLY going to pick this over those?