Hardcore Will Adopt Kinect First, Says Microsoft
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Baby Tea said:
Now, if I was acting like that, there would be blood on the walls and I would be in prison =)
Getting hot in here?
It seems like Microsoft has a serious image problem. I, for one, am not surprised. I think a lot of "hardcore gamers" first and possibly only experience with Motion Controls are first-generation Wii titles, which I think is terribly unfair since first gen titles are going to be the most shaky (since devs are just getting their legs with the new hardware) and it took a while for third-party devs to warm up to the Wii, since it was a terribly risky proposition at the time. A possibly good and unexpected counter-argument to "Motion controls are imprecise nonsense" could be, "What games have you played with motion control?" (Not to discount people who just plain don't like motion control, of course. But "do not like" and "is not viable" are worlds apart.)
This is part one of Microsoft's terrible image problem: the Wii got there first, and all the established stigma is reflected onto the Kinect. The shovelware, the imprecise-ness, the perceived lack of "hardcore" titles, that's a hurdle to overcome - even though it's an unfair extrapolation, it's there. The second part of Microsoft's terrible image problem is that they aren't doing anything about it besides hot air and contradicting statements. "[game] is not hardcore, therefore Kinect is not hardcore" is a fallacy, but there is no launch title for the Kinect that appeals to the Halo/Call of Duty or even the Fable/Oblivion crowds, and "we think core gamers will like Kinect Adventures" is lacking support. You need to show us why you think that way, Microsoft. It isn't going to be that way just because you want it to be.
Hell, this whole article is just doublespeak, really. The guy's talking about early adopters who will probably buy any gadget because it's new and shiny. He just needs to explain what he means by "games that are more geared towards the core"; he probably is referring to Adventures since they were comparing it to Mario earlier.
Oh, and to put my hat in the ring also, I don't think Kinect will do very well, but for reasons unrelated to this post. Long story short, if they hope Kinect will move systems (at $300-400, no less!) they will be terribly mistaken.
It seems like Microsoft has a serious image problem. I, for one, am not surprised. I think a lot of "hardcore gamers" first and possibly only experience with Motion Controls are first-generation Wii titles, which I think is terribly unfair since first gen titles are going to be the most shaky (since devs are just getting their legs with the new hardware) and it took a while for third-party devs to warm up to the Wii, since it was a terribly risky proposition at the time. A possibly good and unexpected counter-argument to "Motion controls are imprecise nonsense" could be, "What games have you played with motion control?" (Not to discount people who just plain don't like motion control, of course. But "do not like" and "is not viable" are worlds apart.)
This is part one of Microsoft's terrible image problem: the Wii got there first, and all the established stigma is reflected onto the Kinect. The shovelware, the imprecise-ness, the perceived lack of "hardcore" titles, that's a hurdle to overcome - even though it's an unfair extrapolation, it's there. The second part of Microsoft's terrible image problem is that they aren't doing anything about it besides hot air and contradicting statements. "[game] is not hardcore, therefore Kinect is not hardcore" is a fallacy, but there is no launch title for the Kinect that appeals to the Halo/Call of Duty or even the Fable/Oblivion crowds, and "we think core gamers will like Kinect Adventures" is lacking support. You need to show us why you think that way, Microsoft. It isn't going to be that way just because you want it to be.
Hell, this whole article is just doublespeak, really. The guy's talking about early adopters who will probably buy any gadget because it's new and shiny. He just needs to explain what he means by "games that are more geared towards the core"; he probably is referring to Adventures since they were comparing it to Mario earlier.
Oh, and to put my hat in the ring also, I don't think Kinect will do very well, but for reasons unrelated to this post. Long story short, if they hope Kinect will move systems (at $300-400, no less!) they will be terribly mistaken.
Oh, you got me, you pointed out about 10 games from the PS2's collection of hundreds. Now, for reference, I'm not even sure the Wii has 10 games from it's collection of hundreds that could be considered NOT shovelware.Kwil said:
Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2.
Zelda: Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess.
Metroid Other M and Prime 3: Corruption.
Monster Hunter Tri.
MadWorld.
Super Smash Bros. Brawl.
Alright, I got nine good non-shovelware games for the Wii. Two not even released yet, and the Wii has been out for how long? I don't care if you like motion controls, that's your thing and I'm okay with that, but if you are seriously going to pretend that the PS2 has more shovelware than the Wii, that's just blatantly false. And it's not big sooprise that the Wii has more shovelware because of it's gimmicky controls. It's casual, and as a result, so are most of the games. That's not to say it doesn't have SOME good games, as seen above, it just doesn't have anywhere NEAR the selection of PS2.
Yes yes, your full post was something like:Ganthrinor said:
The bolded part, the part you missed, is the part I have issue with. What, exactly, defines a video game? I certainly don;t think you have a say in it, although I'm sure you're not conceited enough to actually think that. Nor is there a room of people who sit around saying things like "For the next 5 years 50% of video games will be generic Space Marine Shooters and this will be the accepted standard" (although looking at the current market there may be truth in that).Ganthrinor said:
The truth is that there is no acceptable standard for video games. Even moral standards get strained when it comes to games. The great thing about games, that one thing that everybody seems to keep wanting to stomp into the dust, is that they can literally be based on anything. You can try and demean it all you want, but that doesn't diminish the fact that it's still a game. You accept that people like these games, and I won;t insult you by trying to say you are wrong, but for the love of God stop trying to put games like Wii Sports, and the people who play them, beneath you. You want to look down on them but all it does is make you seem arrogant.
Wow! I didn't know gaming was only for twenty somethings who enjoy blood, guts, and sex. I have to go call my grandma a "mouthbreathing fuckwit" for trying to play video games. Get over yourself! Video games are essentially toys. You know the thing kids play with all day so quit acting like a hardcore gaming Nazi. Secondly, every console has huge amounts of shovelware. The Wii just has the most right now because no one really knows how to make a good game with motion controls. Yet, there is still a shit ton of shovelware on consoles with regular controls we have been playing for years. Finally, I disagree with you that Nintendo are whores for making a lot of money. They took a huge chance on a new control scheme and it could have easily landed them in the poorhouse. They did something new and it paid off immensely. Don't call them whores for taking a chance and succeeding. Gaming is a hobby! It is not some religion where you should shun all those who don't believe as fiercely as you do.Ganthrinor said:
Yeah sorry but the last 2 E3's (especially 2010) have killed any and all hope I may have had for the sucess of this thing, and oddly enough Playstations "Move" went from being a cool take on the Wii remote to a new incentive to buying a PS3 Move Bundle, and Deadspace 2 with its exclusive rail shooter. Sorry Microsoft, untill you prove me wrong I'm taking my wallet elsewhere.
I don't see this happening. So far, nothing about the Natal Kinect makes me want to buy it. Nice try, Microsoft.
He missed Fire Emblem and Tales of symphonia.Kwil said:
You never base a system just on how many bad games there are, you base it on the good.
Ps2 has a great library of good games, while the wii has a smaller library of good games. Walmart's selection matters very little. I had to go to gamestop to buy a couple ps3 games and on several occasions to buy wii games (all they had were movie games and each had only half of a shelf.
