Hardcore Will Adopt Kinect First, Says Microsoft

[soulasylum85]

motion controls are horrible. end of story.

 

[Snotnarok]

I wonder if this is going to be one of those things people stand outside for and buy early to sell on ebay for twice the price.

 

[Kuchinawa212]

Spoony said it was a pile of crap. He demoed it, so I'm going with what he says. I ain't buying it.

 

[Brad Shepard]

I know for a fact im not getting this untel (If at all) the price drops by at least 75 bucks, if not more, because i have dogs, i dont need to pet a digital tiger... but i have a feeling im going to need to buy this sooner or later because my Girlfriend loves dancing games.

 

[Bob the zombie]

Yea Microsoft, NO. we hardcore gamers like our controller ( I myself prefer the PC, but I play the x-box to play with my non-PC gamer friends) and mouse for our gaming. I like the voice commands, but everything else seems like a gimmick. so no, I hope hardcore gamers like me won't submit to the kinect

 

[VegetaPrinceofSaiyans]

If you Really want to know if Kinect will be good, ask yourself these five questions.

1. Do you like the Wii?
2. Do you enjoy motion controls?
3. Do you enjoy endless heaps of shovelware?
4. Are you a hardcore gamer?
5. Can a game be hardcore if it uses motion controls?

1. Yep.
2. Yep.
3. No, that's why I didn't get a PS2
4. Yep.
5. Yep.

Now, how does that tell me if the Kinect will be good?

I'm very sorry sir, but your answers have confused me. You say that you like the Wii but then you go on to state that you dislike shovelware. I just find it hard to see how you find enjoyment, even now, from a console who's game library contains roughly about 10-15 games that are not shovelware.

OT: seriously, i don't know what microsoft is doing here. Kinect's target demographic is the group that has already bought the Wii. Why any of those casuals would go and spend 300 dollars for a new 360 and another 150 dollars for Kinect just to enjoy a slightly different experience than the one they are having now is utterly inconceivable. Personally I see Kinect going the way of other useless peripherals such as the Powerglove. The hardcore gamers won't buy it and the casuals don't have to buy it since they already have Wiis. As far as I am concerned, the only people who are even going to buy Kinect are going to be the technophiles that must have every new gadget right as it comes out...other than that, I can honestly say that microsoft has gone and fucked themselves in the ass with this one.

 

[Danpascooch]

So this is basically Microsoft's position

Pay $150 now because we promise it will be worth it later, sure you could wait till it is worth it, but wouldn't you rather take our word for it that we will make good games for it and give us the money now?

How stupid do they think we are!?

Why would we believe that Kinect will have good games later when it has none now, what makes "later this year" any different from now? If it had a SINGLE good hardcore title now, I would be inclined to believe that more would be coming later in the year.

 

[HoverWhale]

I think there is potential with Kinect. Not with a series that already exists though. If they make Kinect mandatory for a new game in a series people have already started prior to Kinect, well, that would be a massive fail. However, I think the hardcore potential with Kinect is having cool games that are also new concepts or new ideas. Strangely, if I'm right, it would mean that Microsoft have, in their attempt to match competitors, created something that will have to have games that break the mold in order to be accepted. So either they're causing the fear of having new ideas to end or they're causing their own end as a video games company (or maybe just as a more-than-just-casual video games company).

 

[Fr]anc[is]

Microsoft thinks people will buy a Microsoft product?

OMFG NO WAY!

 

[Mr. Grey]

Release this with a Black and White 3 and I'll gladly pay the money for it. This control system is perfect for that, but it's the only one I can think of that is.

If they released a cheap visor-screen along with the peripheral or a coupon to get fifty percent off a visor-screen in a cross promotional thing, they could easily bring out the full potential with Kinect, but they haven't and I doubt they ever will. See, if you do that you can get a true first person experience while using a controller, it'd be like Virtual Boy... only less headache inducing hopefully. That to me would work the best.

Again, I doubt they'd release it as such... which is a shame.

 

[swolf]

Snip

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If you Really want to know if Kinect will be good, ask yourself these five questions.

1. Do you like the Wii?
2. Do you enjoy motion controls?
3. Do you enjoy endless heaps of shovelware?
4. Are you a hardcore gamer?
5. Can a game be hardcore if it uses motion controls?

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1. It was all right...
2.) I like the concept and some of how it was done. I'm hoping that Kinect does it better than the Wii did during my experience.
3.) It's not necessarily going to be all shovelware. I'm expecting some good and some bad. Hopefully, more good than bad. Either way, I'm going to wait for reviews (just like I do with everything else)
4.) Uh...kinda...I mean, I used to be like an addict but have responsibilities (see: wife, child, job, etc) so can't play as much as I used to...is there a "mediumcore" category?
5.)I think so, I really wish I could find that video that reviewed Arma...something 2 using a VR camera with head tracking. It was done quite well. In the video, the camera moved with your head. You turn your head left, the camera looks left. That's a good use. Other ideas that I would like to see are things like: well, how cool would it be if you're playing a game like "God of War" and you directly rip off the Medusa's head? How many times have you gotten so into a game where you actually moved your head to avoid an incoming projectile? Well, the Kinect could interpret that movement and actually get your avatar out of the way. There's other ideas but this post is already really long.

 

[Kapol]

Is it just me, or does it feel like they're more or less just crossing their fingers and saying 'I hope this is true' over and over?

 

[Gamegodtre]

(sorry for deleting first qoute but this will be a long one)

First of all, a DS is very very different form Kinect The two aren't even remotely the same. I don't like hand-helds, and I don't want one. I used to own a DS, never played it, got rid of it. IT's a fine system for those who like that sort of thing, but you can't say' WHy not buy a DS?' when they are incredibly different.

That's like me saying: Don't by chips for a snack, buy a cactus.

Secondly, we don't know what the price is. Microsoft has said repeatedly the $149.99 price point that retailers have put up is speculative. So until MS has a press release where they say: "This is how much it is", we don't know how much it is.

Third, we already know games like Fable 3 will be using both Kinect and a controller. Peter said that a while ago.
How many other will do that same? I don't know. I hope a ton.

Rebuttal
Point 1: yes they are different however you missed the point entirely. The point sir was if the price point is not drop to below $99.99 let alone $149.99 and the lack of variety in the core games to the Kinect(the ones that don't involve a controller) I don't think people will validate the Kinect as a purposeful tool just for the ability to choose menus on the Xbox screen and the ability to tell the Xbox what to do, and to Enhance games they could play without spending any money to add a feature to a game that isn't at all necessary.
Point 2: See Above
Point 3: I also know of Playstation games that use the Eyetoy and one PS2 game which will never be mentioned by me (its just such a bad game i don't even want to give it bad PR)that uses a headset to control a character. And all of these games use the peripherals as a gimmick to enhance the experience, and none of them are necessary or worthwhile to consider buying the Eyetoy, how will this change with Kinect.

also the controller which dumbed down most of Nintendos games to a whole new level of kiddy games and sports games that just use the Wii because people see movement based controls and think it can be a replacement for exercise or the other people who flock to it because they could not handle button controls and thought the motion contol would be easier.

So?
I'm not too sure about your 'kiddy game' statement, since people young and old love Zelda and Mario Galaxy 1 and 2. Plus games like Red Steel 2, Dead Space: Extraction, and No More Heroes shows that 'hardcore' gamers have things to play. Beyond that, who cares why they got it? They wanted to play it, and so they bought it. Whether it's because they thought it would be more physically involved, or because they liked the idea of motion controls, they just wanted to play games and have fun. And they, all 70 million Wii owners, do just that.

Rebuttal
Yes thanks to cut my quote in half and forget to mention that i own all the games you mentioned as well as the key other 27 or so. And am waiting for the next one Arc Rise Fantasia and most of the games you mentioned took me one or two days to beat since outside of the Galaxy's, Phantom Brave, Tales of Symphonia, Muramasa: Demon Blade, or even Animal Crossing none of the Hardcore games really last due to low Replayability.

As a gamer who has more then undoubtedly played more games then most i only own i'd say 20 Wii games maybe up to 25 now in comparison to the amount i own for the PS3, around 50, for the 360 around 150, and DS over 100(can't even ballpark it). The Wii has Isolated a large amount of people do to its excessive marketing to the old and the young. me being neither find it hard to purchase the games for the system.

So what?
Kinect isn't turning the 360 into a 'casual only' console. It's expanding it's appeal.
There are already 'hardcore' games and gamers on the 360. There are tons of 'hardcore' games coming out for it, and there always will be. Kinect isn't taking that away, it's just bringing more people to the party.

Also kudos on this one you got me there on the last one.

 

[Gamegodtre]

Translation: "The loyal Xbots will buy whatever exclusive crap we release"

I am an Xbox 360 user and I am MAD AS HELL with Microsoft's bloody fans, they don't hold a high standard they just endlessly defend their chosen platform like a bloody religion. If Xbox users refuse to buy Kinect till it has a wide selection of really interesting and unique and deep games for it then things might actually change for the better.

also the controller which dumbed down most of Nintendos games to a whole new level of kiddy games

Huh? But Super Mario Galaxy 1 & especially 2, those are INCREDIBLE games, highest rated on review Aggregate sites. Sure Wii has been inundated with casual shovelware, but so have consoles with hardcore shovelware, it's just we ignore those

Rebuttal
talking about the endless crap exercise and sports games they release for the wii or the Daring Game for Girls type games

Wii mote is absolutely ideal (second only to computer mouse) for aiming as in rail Shooters or FPS games (if you don't include noob features like aim-assist and COD's "auto-snap" for consoles). Wii Controller's pointing precision is amazing, thanks to use of the sensor bar, it is a genius piece of design that allows great accuracy with low latency and virtually insignificant processing overhead.

Small question: how many of the games in your PS3 and Xbox 360 games collection have seen a PC release?

Rebuttal by Gamegodtre
about 93 combined

It's just because 150 games is a HELL of a stretch for Xbox 360 which has only been out since late 2005, I only have about 150 PC games from the entire 1999 to 2010 period and that is really pushing not only games that are worth my money, but even worth my time if they sold for pittance.

Don't understand the last part there please explain if my guess is wrong but are you insinuating the 360 only has 150 games?
if thats the case i own them all most being FPS's and RPG's.
as for the selling point ehemm go to ebay and look up these playstation games
Dragon Warrior 7
Xenogears
FF 7
Parasite Eve both
Breath of Fire 3,4
Earthbound
etc.....
some newer games will shown up there in the future trust me.

 

[Gamegodtre]

Plus I know my wife will love the sports games and stuff, so it's win-win.

Your intentions are clear. It's not about the game but the bedroom.

Also, controller Enhancment shit like this is always a bad idea. Didn't we learn anything from the Power Glove and the Wiimote?

The Power Glove I can understand, but the Wiimote?
The main controller for the console that outsold the crap out of the other two?
The main controller for the console that has Nintendo swimming in money filled pools, and then drying themselves off with more money?
The main controller for the console that introduced gaming to a who massive group of people who otherwise would have never bothered?

That Wiimote?
Just checking.

also the controller which dumbed down most of Nintendos games to a whole new level of kiddy games and sports games that just use the Wii because people see movement based controls and think it can be a replacement for exercise or the other people who flock to it because they could not handle button controls and thought the motion contol would be easier.

Not to mention that fan dislike the Wiimote, so they did the classic controller. The Gamecube controller is still favorite on many title and that it took years before they fix the sensibility of the Wiimote... with a extention.... that is most used for On-rail FPS like the Resident Evil remake. Yeah, i think we are speaking about that abortion of good taste.

Thanks for the First Misquote were you said i had a wife....
and i agree about the abortion of good taste

 

[Zeromaeus]

No I won't, Microsoft.
I have a Wii.

 

[Sougo]

how hardcore is Justin Beiber and his fanclub?

 

[Soviet Steve]

I will buy an xbox, and a kinetic, to be allowed the terribly expensive experience of petting a virtual cat.

Petting the real cat I have just doesn't cut it anymore.

 

[UltimatheChosen]

And have you used Kinect? Or programmed for it? How awkward is the UI?
Everyone is making these judgments based on what? Every preview I've read said that it's fun to play. Isn't that the important part? Sure it has a bit of a learning curve, just like every control scheme ever. So how is it 'profoundly flawed' if people all over the place, who have actually played it, say it's fun to play?

Everyone is making these judgements based on their experiences with previous motion control systems. The Power Glove was laughably bad. The Wii has serious issues with proper interpretation of the motions you're making. I don't see Natal as being THAT much better.