Hate for newbies/noobs and general unfriendliness in competitive online gaming

[28_06_42_12]

I think that a lot of players vent on other players simply because it's what they do. Think of the kid in Kindergarten who would always cry to get his way. The noob bashers are simply the online version of that kid. Because they can't play the game the way they want without consequence. (most of the OMG U FUXIN SUXORZ messages I got in Call of Duty 4 were in Hardcore Search and Destroy and sent from the players who had died beforeme because I had not won the match)

Just laugh, maybe troll the guys. But don't take them seriously. (Unless you're teamkilling..)

 

[Scythos]

Makes them feel better really. What really annoys me in WoW is someone whos spent a really long time twinking a character, then as soon as the opposite team gets one flag cap in WG or 3 bases in AB they start shouting 'NOOBS JUST LOSE' it's like wtf you've spent that long on making this char and you're not going to even bother using it to fight.

 

[murphy7801]

Everyones got to start some where. And manners cost nothing!

 

[Iron Mal]

L4D has a terrible community. Something about failure in that game just brings out the worst in people.

I think it's largely because death and failure is quite a frequent occurance (a big drawback in a game where everyone wants to win), you only have three team mates vs. the computer, since we accept the computer as being ridiculous anyway we look for other possible explanations for our failure (one of the easiest being, my team sucks).

L4D's chronic focus on teamplay has the negetive effect of amplifying any feeling towards your teammates, bad or good (in CoD4 your team mates are just guns walking around, there's no connection, in L4D they are the only thing keeping you alive).

 

[Cid Silverwing]

Because 90% of the Internet populace just absolutely HAS to whip out their e-dicks and wave them around like it's the best thing in the world to do.

Believe me, it is the epitome of immaturity when you degrade other people merely for winning against them, noobs or not.

 

[ModDom]

I'm decent at L4D, however at one point I went to a friend's house and was watching him play versus L4D on the PC. He was a newcomer to the game and as a result was not especially good, but he was votekicked from the server just for this. He joined another server and the same thing happened. How on earth is a beginner meant to improve if he is constantly kicked and ridiculed for not being that good?

 

[Conveant0]

Me and a fair few friends bought Gears of War one when we got Xbox 360's for Christmas one year. Needless to say, we thought it was gaming legend and it was our only online game for around seven months. We always came back from school most days, sat down and just made a lobby and got into a good match we hosted, and always welcomed anyone who randomly joined in through searching.
In those matches, if anyone did ever 'suck' at the game, we'd help them out. We made the teams as balanced as virtually possible, and always had a laugh with it. Infact I probably made my entire friend list like this, same goes with my local friends. The only times I can think of when we got some d*ck with an attitude come into our game, we told him/her to stfu and play or we kick them.
It's just sad Live is full of so many of them now, but it is still entertaining when you have the oppertunity to shout at them, them beat them in a humiliating victory.

 

[murphy7801]

Me and a fair few friends bought Gears of War one when we got Xbox 360's for Christmas one year. Needless to say, we thought it was gaming legend and it was our only online game for around seven months. We always came back from school most days, sat down and just made a lobby and got into a good match we hosted, and always welcomed anyone who randomly joined in through searching.
In those matches, if anyone did ever 'suck' at the game, we'd help them out. We made the teams as balanced as virtually possible, and always had a laugh with it. Infact I probably made my entire friend list like this, same goes with my local friends. The only times I can think of when we got some d*ck with an attitude come into our game, we told him/her to stfu and play or we kick them.
It's just sad Live is full of so many of them now, but it is still entertaining when you have the oppertunity to shout at them, them beat them in a humiliating victory.

You sound like an old school live gamer I salute you.

 

[ScarlettRage]

Because 90% of the Internet populace just absolutely HAS to whip out their e-dicks and wave them around like it's the best thing in the world to do.

Believe me, it is the epitome of immaturity when you degrade other people merely for winning against them, noobs or not.

agreed
like seriously you shouldn't be a prick
someday the noobs may become stronger then you and kill you
then whos a noob?

 

[Flying-Emu]

IMO, newbie's shouldn't be playing in team matches and such until they have played enough 1p and stuff to know the ins and outs of the game. Basically until they aren't considered newbs anymore.
It's not really fair on your team mates if you have to be carried the entire fucking game.

You see, there's a major issue with your argument here. I'll use Left 4 Dead as a model for my argument.

In Left 4 Dead single-player, you play as one of four survivors attempting to make their way through zombie-infested lands to reach a series of arbitrarily designated 'safe rooms' until you reach the end of the level and have a 'finale', after which you are rescued. When playing Single-Player, you are the leader. Your A.I. teammates will NOT move ahead of you, will always give you the last medpac if you're damaged, and are more for support than actual teamwork.

This does not transfer well into online gaming.

In Left 4 Dead online multiplayer, you play as one of four INTELLIGENT survivors attempting to make their way through zombie infested lands yadda yadda yadda. When playing multiplayer, you cannot arbitrarily BE the leader. Your human teammates will NOT listen to you, will move ahead of you, hound the last medpac for themselves if necessary, and generally are focused on this idea that if they don't make it to the end, then they 'lost' the game.

The major issue with playing against bots or playing single-player in Left 4 Dead is that you don't get to taste that teamwork. You get to taste 'oh, hey, I'm a squad leader with a bunch of support guys'. So what ends up happening is that you understand the concepts of the game (I.E. Melee Boomers, backpedal, shoot), but don't understand the dynamics of teamwork (Calling out approaching enemies, announcing when reloading, when you need to pull back to pop pills, etc). So, really, the only way TO get better at the game is to play on those teams and SUCK for awhile.

TL;DR Bots don't help in a team-based game.

 

[Duskwaith]

Or in team fortress where team work makes the game fun but when everyone becomes a spy or sniper then it just grinds to a halt like the pay load

 

[Time Travelling Toaster]

I've found in RTS games, online players usually are quite friendly...FPS's not so much >.>

 

[Halfbreed13]

As the elistic prick I am, I hate noobs on my team. I don't mind one guy with a bad score on CoD4 on my team, but if my entire team doesn't know how to fire a gun, I get annoyed. It is worse in games like L4D. Now, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against newbs or newbies. Hell, I am still a newb in DoW2 Online. A noob is someone that is stupid or bad after playing for a while. Newb is someone who is new so it would be unfair to judge someone who just started.

 

[mad benji89]

i think the game whats more infoumas for this is halo 3 lol
i never really have this to much on left for dead because i just normally play with my mates i did have it happen to me one time when this guy was being a bit of a dick like calling me a noob while he was shooting me on the same side but there others voted him out aswell think they had enougth of him as me lol xD

 

[Jolly Madness]

Was playing Team Fortress 2 as a sniper (as always). KD ratio was closing up to 6:1, most of the opposing team were snipers so I made a sniper school ^^
Lesson 1: If I can see your foot, you're dead.
Etc.

After that my KD fell down to 4:1.
Made the match so much more fun.

 

[Lopunny]

I don't think it's like this in WoW anymore, I wouldn't know, it's been a while... but when i was just starting out, and didn't have any real life friends who played I would ask higher lvl players who came outta ironforge for help, and they were always happy to go along. One time I had a lvl 60 who hwlped me with all the elite quests in the starting area and give me loadsa nice equipment

I for one always try to be as helpful as possible

 

[Grayl]

I have no hatred of newbs, but people who refuse to learn and penalize the other players in the game really do get on my nerves. A mistake is a mistake, but a mistake repeated 10 times over is just plain annoying.

I don't play L4D VS because I hate the gameplay, but I love the campaign mode on harder difficulties because team-work is forced and the game isn't just "BOOMER! SMOKER! INCOMING! HUNTER! ANOTHER HUNTER! INCOMING!". You can actually play it through and use real team-work, and only then will you win.

But, saying that, I don't play L4D half as much as TF2. Thing is, L4D doesn't have any REAL servers, where-as on most games you find one or two servers that you enjoy and play there. Valve made a stupid mistake with their server browsing system on L4D, and it's not going to improve.

And because you can only have 8 people on a server, and they can all votekick you off, you're never going to learn how to play it properly. Like I said, on most games, you can find a server and practice. I suggest playing VS with bots in Single-player [http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/action/left4dead/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-47128969&pid=937406], though I'm not sure if this still works, and I don't know if it's PC only. It's not perfect, but you might be able to get some practicing in.

To those that don't play FPS online, I really suggest doing it. I'd love to play some RTS games online but I'm never good enough. But I can't imagine not playing TF2 or L4D online; they're just a million times better, especially when you find a decent server.

 

[esperandote]

people that calls noobs on the internet are noobs in real life, besides they feel comfortable calling someone a noob because they know they can't get their ass kicked.

I don't play online but i've seen this beahvior in IRL competitions like basketball.

I have no hatred of newbs, but people who refuse to learn and penalize the other players in the game really do get on my nerves. A mistake is a mistake, but a mistake repeated 10 times over is just plain annoying.

that sounds like hatred for newbs. Not everyone has the same learning skills.

 

[TrueHoax]

Or in team fortress where team work makes the game fun but when everyone becomes a spy or sniper then it just grinds to a halt like the pay load

It is pretty painful when the class updates come out and you have all sniper/spy or all scouts. After a while the fad calms down. My circle of tf2 friends and I always look for new players to bring into the game. Without new people the servers would be dead and we wouldn't be able to play. Over the last 2 years we brought just under 25 new players and taught them tricks to hold their own. Out of all of them about half hates the trash talking community and the other half just deals with it.

Now back on topic. When game devs. go out of their way to bring in new blood and transition them smoothly it gets such bad press. Best example is Nintendo sure they make "kiddy games" but with out the games to bring in the next wave of gamers... there won?t be much of a future. As several people pointed out, with unfriendly game communities in our games. Some great games just get left behind cause no one wants to deal with elites. Most the times you just gotta find the best way to transition into the game you enjoy and avoid the elites.