Hate for newbies/noobs and general unfriendliness in competitive online gaming

[MetallicaRulez0]

If you suck and my team loses because of you, you better be prepared to hear the insults. It's the rules.

I can often be heard wishing death upon the morons in Merc TDM in CoD4. I swear some of those people are too stupid to be kept alive.

 

[literallyanythingelse]

I have the same problem. I am not very good at playing multiplayer on L4D, but alas, I will never get better because no one ever helps me. Most of the time I either get voted out of the game or have to listen to my teammates telling me how much I suck.

Yeah I get this, no-one seems to realise the whole point of L4D is to be shit scared and swamped in zombies, not to be totally pro and take everything in your stride. Well, that's my take on it, I daresay someone will disagree.

 

[Symp4thy]

I have the same problem. I am not very good at playing multiplayer on L4D, but alas, I will never get better because no one ever helps me. Most of the time I either get voted out of the game or have to listen to my teammates telling me how much I suck.

Yeah I get this, no-one seems to realise the whole point of L4D is to be shit scared and swamped in zombies, not to be totally pro and take everything in your stride. Well, that's my take on it, I daresay someone will disagree.

I concur. I think, a lot of the time, "hardcore gamers" ruin the fun and the way a game was meant to be played by using too many exploits and taking the game way too seriously.

 

[Grayl]

that sounds like hatred for newbs. Not everyone has the same learning skills.

It's not hatred, just annoyance. Plus, I said people who REFUSE to learn, not people who have difficulty learning.

I was playing TF2 on the map 2Fort a while ago, and an engineer built a sentry gun in a completely useless place that wouldn't have hurt anyone. He said he was new, and when I suggested that he rebuilt the sentry somewhere a little more useful (I wasn't mean by any regards as I had no reason to) he refused to and just kept it there. Then when more people started asking him to move it, he destroyed his dispenser so people couldn't heal as easily.

He was new and he REFUSED to learn. There's a massive difference in someone that is trying to learn (which I thought he was at first) and someone who thinks they're right when they've never played the game.

If you're new, I suggest you tell people and usually they'll treat you a little better. In most games, certain things are just to be expected without saying. In TF2, for example, if I was a heavy and had a medic healing me who's name was "Super Pr0", once his ubercharge (temporary invincibility for me and him) had filled up and I was near some sentry guns, I'd expect him to activate it. If he didn't and we both got killed, after waiting for 30 seconds for him to use his ubercharge, and then he said "I'm new", I would be a little annoyed.

If, however, he told me when he joined the server that he was new, I would walk him through what to do. He would learn, enjoy himself more and I would too. Plus, we'd both get satisfaction from what we did.

Anytime I try a new game, I always put a little (Newbie) tag next to my name and then tell the team. It's just good manners and everyone gets along a little better. I don't know about the L4D community though, from my experience they would just kick you because you're new. But L4D is a very team-oriented game, and if you have no idea how to play, you're making all others players lose out on their fun. And what's worse; you being sad after being kicked, or 3 people being sad because they had no chance?

I only get annoyed with newbies if they don't help themselves or the team, or they refuse to learn. But most learn quickly or ask how to do things, and that's makes it better for everyone.

With L4D, like I said, you just have to keep training whenever you can. If you get kicked, you get kicked. Just be happy in the knowledge that each time you get kicked you've got less chance of being kicked next time, because you learn a little. I suck at VS as infected, but I never play it. I'm good on the campaigns, though, because I've practiced lots.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

I absolutely hate when people go around saying noobs, nubkek, u suck etc. Every time someone says anything abusive I write "stfu mate, you ain't helping no one by saying that". It's a shame that gamers feel the need to fuck other gamers by verbal abuse. And it feels as if there is a very small minority that are actually nice Which I don't get, I thought that being a gamer was being a part of a bonding community in which you could enter to escape the harshness the life, not to endure other peoples distinctive shit stains. Be friendly people, spread happiness, make love not warcraft! We'll be dead soon anyway so lets make our final hours enjoyable

You're on the ball there, just replace the word 'gamer' with the word 'human' and there's the reason.

The majority of people act like complete dicks and fuel thier feelings of superiority in any given pursuit by putting others down who aren't as good as them.

 

[Jinxzy]

It's not so much of ridicule new players. It's the fact that some people ridicule the players that do worse then them. Because they think there amazing.

I play L4D a little to much, sure we get people that don't know what they're doing. I don't mind throwing in my two cents to give them tips. The only thing that gets to me is when you have someone sucky on your team that blows the help off and tea bags your kills cause they think there "gods chosen one" and when they need help, they think it's because you didn't follow him, while he runs off down the ally screaming leroy jenkins over the mic.

 

[Ironic]

I think all the noob-hate in FPS's is merely a by product of the hyper-competetive nature of the game. Some games (especially Counterstrike) can infuriate you in minutes if you're on a losing streak. The action brings out the worst in you.

 

[Chipperz]

Perhaps it is the style of game or the average age of the players. City of Heroes does not tend to have as much of that even in the PvP zones. In fact, many of the players there are supportive and helpful to newcomers.

Is it the "heroic" theme? Perhaps, in part, as I have heard that City of Villains is not quite as accommodating. But you can find good-hearted people there as well. Is it the age group? Maybe. Yet I'm sure there is quite a mixed range there just as there is in Left 4 Dead.

Mostly I think it is the nature of playing a shooter type game. There was more razzing with my friends back when we played Goldeneye together and the same happened when I used to play Doom and such. So, if you really would like to see a different side to gamers, I do recommend trying one of the more co-operative MMO's. The sense of community can be quite nice.

Villains are great, too (at least on the EU servers). I'd been told the best place to get from 49 to 50 as a hero was Recluse's Victory, so I decided to hit there and trash some pillboxes. Soon enough, a couple of villains turned up and started attacking me (which is fair, it IS a battleground). After the fight, I sent each one a message saying I was hittingthe Pillboxes for XP and if they left me alone, I'd leave them to capture them for the badges AND give them a free kill if they were still on when I hit 50. All but one agreed, and the one that didn't was practically forced out of the battleground under a barrage of /tells from the other villains.

After I hit 50, we all met up on the top of the Council Building and had a load of 1-on-1 fights. They were lovely people, I still have a bunch of them on my Global Friends list

 

[FinalHeart95]

People feel that the "noobs" ruin the gaming experience for them. Rather than trying to teach them strategies and make them better, they want nothing to do with them. If the "noob" is just plain stupid, I could see this, but some people want to get better, and aren't stupid.

On the other hand, people are very egotistical as a whole.

 

[KiKiweaky]

Ya I was playing L4D vs before and I didnt have a clue what I was doing but a fella that was playing on my team had a mic and was telling me what to do.

You know things like "dont go there" "dont shoot that" etc.... But if I didnt understand or speak english :\ I would have been fucked ("_)

In games like that I do try and help people that dont understand what going on as much as I can. Screaming shit like that at your team is hardly going to improve performance

 

[SithLibrarian]

I recently had a new PC put together and played a few rounds of Team Fortress 2. In the time I've put in, I've found that the PC players were far less irritating than the Xbox players.

 

[Grayl]

I recently had a new PC put together and played a few rounds of Team Fortress 2. In the time I've put in, I've found that the PC players were far less irritating than the Xbox players.

Yeah that was something I forgot to mention; apparently, the Xbox 360 LIVE crowd are a generally awful community, from what I've heard. In all honesty, I've only been kicked from ONE L4D game (they were waiting for their friend) and I got it when it came out. Though, I play on the PC and I am generally good at FPSs.

 

[The Blue Mongoose]

IMO, newbie's shouldn't be playing in team matches and such until they have played enough 1p and stuff to know the ins and outs of the game. Basically until they aren't considered newbs anymore.
It's not really fair on your team mates if you have to be carried the entire fucking game.

Yeah, this is not my issue. I can finish Expert so long as I have one ally. I can run the first part of any campaign solo most of the time; I'm great at the campaign. I just suck at versus.

 

[Khazoth]

Humans are worthless assholes in real life, do you expect a game to change this?

 

[AlphaOmega]

AoE3 actually had quite a friendly multiplayer were everyone would say gg and never criticize in fact when i lost at the ease of the other player he actually offered to train me and never criticized me.

Same but for AoM:The Titans. GG and Well Played and chatting after a rated game was common.

 

[Cowabungaa]

This sums up my feelings pretty well;

Nothing wrong with newbs, everyone was a newb once. Noobs are a pest though.

It is pretty painful when the class updates come out and you have all sniper/spy or all scouts. After a while the fad calms down. My circle of tf2 friends and I always look for new players to bring into the game. Without new people the servers would be dead and we wouldn't be able to play. Over the last 2 years we brought just under 25 new players and taught them tricks to hold their own. Out of all of them about half hates the trash talking community and the other half just deals with it.

I'd be interested in that server, I've been looking for a nice, close community TF2 server for a while now. My old one's are slowly falling appart.

 

[jaeger138]

Check out the Escapist video on Griefing, it's a good guide. I'll take my reason from that as it is a very good point. People tend to grief new players because it was done to us when we were new. I'm not amazing at shooters, not terrible but not amazing, and it takes me time to get used to each game. In a game of Metal Gear Online, some days I totally own and others I just can;t get it together, hence why I'm stuck at the low level I'm at. But during a Survival match, we got put against the same level 15 crew who fought together often while we didn;t know eachother. There was no communication and some of our players were really quite bad. Sufficed to say, we lost both games.

After the games we were deafened with cries of 'Noobs!', 'Leave Noobs!' and various other taunts. I tend to take it in my stride, I hadn't played too badly and was top scorer in a couple rounds (at least top on my own team) and what's the worst they can do? Shout Noob? So what? I'll just keep practicing and playing. Besides, they want a response, I won't satisfy them.

But the reason they do it is a power thing, they gain minimal control if you respond and they want you to be as pissed as they were when they had it done to them. So, just ignore it, they'll be more frustrated when they don't get a response, especially if you win a round. But once you've won, just quit and join another game, if you lose again the taunting will be hell! lol

 

[Inco]

Ok then, on topic, my friends and I hate those terms and generally will not use them at all. But there was this one case where one of my friends and myself couldn't resist, this person was so... disillusioned on how to properly play the game (see below).
But yea, some people don't play for the win, they play for fun, which is something that 'hardcore' playaz just don't grasp. You could just say, from a psychological point of view, that they are basically projecting their own insecurities into other players in the forms of insults and put downs in a vain attempt to make themselves feel better. But it doesn't matter anyways, because 7-8 times outta 10 the scoreboard will tell them that they aint so good anyway.

In fact one of my friends Gamertag is called 'Yo N00b Shizz' just to mock those very people who insult people online.

Now the story.
My friend and I started to play Halo 3 at about 1130 on a school night, a nice little game of social slayer to warm us up before taking on Big Team Battle again for like the 20th night in a row. It was about two months after Halo 3s release and we had started this little run after finishing our school certificate and ended up taking days off playing this game anyway. I was at my most hardcore, you might say. Anyway the game was a 3 vs 3 team slayer on snowbound. We were paired with this kid who was swearing his 12 year old little mouth off and his name was Spector213 or something like that. His main strategy was to charge in to get kills, and yelling and me and my friend that we were crappy noobs for not doing what he did. He even charged a shotgun guy at the shield doors.
When the game ended the score was 49-50, my team lost. My k/d was 16/7, my friends was 16/6 and his was 17/37. He literally gave them the win on a platter better than most boosters, and he was actually trying! Yea, after the game he abused us with messages and shit like that, before I eventually got pissed off, calmly said STFU and leave us alone, just cause you were the one who lost us. He replied 'yea and what would you do?'
Blocked contact, easy.

Wow, thats long, though it was a good way to get that out at least.

 

[Syntax Error]

You should see the environment in DotA. There are a lot of nuances in that mod and "copying the pros" won't get you very far. If you're a noob, merely being present in your team marks you automatically as a liability. That's just half of it, you also have rage quitters of varying intensities.