Have you ever supported/sympathised with a games villain/enemy?

[BehattedWanderer]

The main villain from InFamous. That huge reveal at the end, doing everything he did so that Cole would be ready, including...well...just remember that photograph. How much that must have hurt him, doing what he did. His entire life, undone, and altered, so that Cole could be ready.


That beast had better be the absolute monster of all creation, man.

 

[Irridium]

Logain Mac Tir from Dragon Age Origins.

Long have I hated him. I assumed he was an idiot, and thought he was the worst villain Bioware had ever put out. Then someone on the internet just blew my mind and made me completely change my views. He showed me how great Logain truly is, and how much of a dick your character is.

Logain is the true hero of Dragon Age Origins. For the following reasons:

Spoiler: This is the post that blew my mind.

Bioware makes teh good gaemz. It's hard to dispute that. And in 2009, they released one of their finest games ever: Dragon Age: Origins.

A throwback to old school RPG's, Dragon Age: Origins was a massive treat to a large part of the role-play gamer demographic. Yet even though people praised it, they all failed to notice something through their first playthrough of the game. Something that some people are still oblivious to.

BIOWARE MADE YOU LOOK LIKE A FOOL!

They turned you into a narrow-minded goodie two-shoes that, in reality, would have spelled out the doom of the world. But Bioware were cruel and let you live oblivious to the fact that you were a dumbass that can't save a country for shit.

How did they do this, you ask? It's simple!

Meet the true hero of Ferelden:

Here is the man that liberated Ferelden from an oppressing nation that had occupied the country for 100 years. Here is the man that saved his homeland from a monarch that cared more about glory then what is best for everyone. Here is the man that had a purpose behind everything that he did, a man that only cared for the safety of his kinsmen.

And you totally killed him.

Don't deny it. You did. You killed him so Alistair wouldn't leave your team. You killed him because he was, from your naive and unfocused perspective, a meanie head.

But he never was.

You hate him because he killed your noble family? Sacrifices for the greater good. They, like you, would be too narrow-minded to see the bigger picture and would oppose him. Having Howe murder the shit out of them would get rid of opposition and strengthen the support from one of your allies.

You hate him because he enslaved elves? That's true, it's a dickish thing to do. He should have ignored them and let them live in poverty and subject them to prejudice. Why give them the chance to at least live someplace decent when he could just have them live in the incredibly shitty place they're currently residing in? It's not like they are regularly harassed by rapist nobl-Oh wait. Instead of letting the elves get sold, you saved them so they could continue to live in prejudice and eventually get slaughtered by the Darkspawn.

You hate him because he killed Duncan? Let me ask you something. How well do you know Duncan? Did you, at any point, find that he has a personality? Did you ever stop to consider that he is incredibly bland and boring, and that he only cares about ending the blight and doesn't let anything else enter his mind? Ever realized that he's narrow-minded? Or that he looks kinda Hindu?

You hate him because he abandoned the army at Ostagar and made you look like a villain? Here's a little information: Even if Loghain would have stayed and helped, there was a very, very big chance that they would still lose. More people would've died, and it would be impossible to stop the Darkspawn from destroying Ferelden.

And as for you Wardens, what the crap was he supposed to do? He needed someone to put the blame on, and you were only two people. TWO PEOPLE. That's a pretty measly sacrifice for the safety of the nation.

You hate him because he nearly doomed the country by trying to kill the Grey Wardens, who are the only people physically able to kill the Archdemon? You know who you should hate for that? THE ENTIRE FUCKING GREY WARDEN ORGANIZATION! They were the ones who kept this entire ordeal secret, even for the fucking King. Loghain didn't know that a Grey Warden was needed to kill an Archdemon, because he was never told how it worked. He was told that they were needed to kill it for some vague, unspecific reason, but would you seriously, unconditionally believe that? I know I wouldn't, cause it would be fucking stupid.

And so to anyone who killed Loghain thinking he deserved it: YOU ARE WRONG! He is, in fact, much more of a hero than you. He didn't have no fucking Deus Ex Machina treaties that you had. He had to build an army from scratch. He couldn't save the country without making sacrifice, like you somehow was able to do thanks to the power of love. All this time Loghain has been the real hero, while the main character has been living a cliche lie. A lie that makes Dragon Age even more fucking brilliant than it already is, because several times over that lie makes you do decisions that bites you in the ass.

(Though it's a shame that Bioware are often too retarded to think more than 5 minutes ahead of the story, otherwise you wouldn't be able to simply reload a slightly older save to fix something you eventually found out to be a bad choice. LEARN FROM THE WITCHER, BIOWARE!)

So yeah, Logain is the true hero, and you kill him. You dick.

 

[8-Bit Grin]

Metal Gear Solid's Liquid Ocelot, in Metal Gear Solid 4.

Mainly because I felt like I was breaking every moral I have by beating an old man's decrepit ass.

On a battleship.

 

[Amorphisbob]

/flame retardant suit

I know alot of people didn't like The Force Unleashed for any number of pretentious reasons including how it was meant as a link to the dysmal prequels and the epic original films (and to a lesser extent, "Return of the Jedi"). However, I quite enjoyed it, possibly because i'm a fanboy at heart. I did sympathize with Vader though, once again possibly because he's my favorite character in the original trilogy...

I dunno how to do the spoiler thingy so

***WARNING SPOILERS***
...And, here's Starkiller, his apprentice, who betrays vader and joins the rebel scum. Granted I suppose he had it coming, since that's essentially what he did to Obi-Wan. Worst of all, you have to kill Vader in order to get the cool armor!

 

[Leg End]

Does Ashur count from the Fallout 3 DLC The Pitt?

Lets just say, considering who I am, I sympathized with him from the beginning because(spoilered due to possible spoilers);

Spoiler

1. He was rebuilding The Pitt so it could sustain itself as a true city.
2. Looking for a cure while maintaining the safety of his daughter in the process.
3. When you listen to his audio logs, he explains his plan and quite a bit of it is to give his daughter a future. A safe one.
4. He is about the only person(along with his technical wife) to actually make sense and have thought everything out.

Primarily 2 & 3. I instantly started helping him, because, I would do the same. Even moreso. I would have killed everything in the wasteland for my daughter. Ashur is a bro for life.

Considering the other guy was going to get the cure faster but torture and possibly kill Marie(Ashur's daughter) in the process, I was about to rip the fucker's head off. I settled for killing him with my Shishkebab as he was fleeing after I speech tested him into leaving The Pitt forever. He was incinerated. I was manically happy.

 

[Cogwheel]

Well, the example that immediately jumps to mind is, not to spoil anything, the final boss of Arcanum.

I think they're supposed to seem rather sympathetic, though. Despite the whole slavery and omnicide thing.

 

[DanielDeFig]

Xeahanort from Kingdom Hearts.
He was a student of a brilliant scientist who delved into the mysteries of "the heart" and its connection to the greater world. Unfortunately, his mentor barred him from further experiments once they got too close to "The Darkness". Xehanort defied his master and continued his experiments in secret, which corrupted him into a Heartless (with a Nobody) , just as his master had predicted.

While i agree with nothing of what Xheanort's Heartless and Nobody did (the antagonists you actually fight in the games), and i can question his methods of getting there (Turned all his master's students against him and banished him into the realm of Darkness), i fully empathize with his thirst for knowledge at any cost. No research should be deemed too dangerous or shied away from due to fear. It only breed reckless underground experimentation that is far more dangerous than more controlled and cautious experimenting might be.

 

[Drummie666]

Would it be inappropriate to say that I love you for this comment?
I agree that every chance you get, ranting should be done about Metroid Other M.

The villains were all around the place. First there's the AI. Then the Deleter (great name btw..) who simply vanishes all of a sudden and dies before we can even confront him. Then it's the federation again.
But even in the end, I cared more for them then Samus in that game.

Shame. Bloody shame.

Thanks for that. I forgot about the Deleter. I found out close to the end of the game that there's a thing in the menu about the federation squad. The guys that were dead were labelled "Deceased." I checked that a few more times through the game and, through a bit of logic, figured out that the Deleter was the asian guy... I think. Yeah, the game gives you a murder mystery that YOU are supposed to solve, without telling you that you are supposed to solve it. And, seeing as how he dies off screen, he was completely inconsequential to the plot, the Deleter had no real role at all and, seeing as how the people he killed had no point to them either, is therefore not even a villain. He's just simply pointless.

 

[cainstwin]

Not really sympathetic but Benny from New Vegas gets my vote

I loved him from the start. I actually wanted to team up with him if I could.

Oblivion shivering isles, the daedric prince of order. Felt bad for him, he was effectively brainwashed for doing too well at his job.

 

[Android2137]

Saren from Mass Effect 1. Also the Reapers from the whole saga, if it ends the way i hope it will end.

Spoiler

The Reapers are just organisms, like you and I, harvesting their "crops" after 50,000 years; and if we manage to somehow disallow them from doing so.....their entire race will essentially start to die of starvation from lack of "food".
How bitchy would we be, to jeopardize the existence of a multi-million centuries old race just for our egotistical strive to persevere with our pathetic existence?

I felt sorry for Saren too. And I can see your logic regarding the Reapers, but I say that the line must be drawn somewhere.

Spoiler

Yes the Reapers are organisms. They're "harvesting" us to live. But is it so egotistical for us to desire survival? If our crops became sentient, of course they'd resist harvesting. They need to be not eaten in order to live, but if they are our only food source, we need to eat them to sustain ourselves. Both sides are just fighting for survival. I can't blame them for trying to fight back, but I need to eat! I don't blame the Reapers for trying to harvest us, but I certainly wouldn't take it lying down. I won't berate a walrus for killing a hungry polar bear.

OT: Giygas from Earthbound.

Spoiler

He had basically lost his mind. It was a bit difficult to understand, but from what I could tell, Pokey was the one who manipulated everything. Giygas was broken, confused, and, unfortunately, too powerful. Personally, I think he was also very lonely.

 

[RicoGrey]

Game: The Witcher --- Villian: The Grand Master
For the "too long didn't read crowd" skip ahead to the summary at the bottom

The story can be long and complicated but here it is:

You rescue a boy, who is orphaned, and a woman who is taking care of the boy. In The Witcher you have many choices and one of them is who you want to fall in love with, either the woman who is taking care of the boy, or a past love interest who wants to use the boy for the greater good. In my version I went for the woman who was taking care of the boy, and the goal was to resolve the major conflict of the story, marry the woman I chose, and raise the boy as my son. Keep in mind the main character, being a witcher, could not have children on his own and this was the closest he was going to get to having a son.

The problem was that the boy was special, and could teleport through both space and time. He was born with this power and as such did not have full control over it so through out the game he would teleport to somewhere else/another time, but you would always end up finding him and rescuing him again(he would teleport away when he would get scared, say during an armed conflict). Well during a battle he teleports away, cause he gets scared, and you assume you will find him again, but you never do. This time he is gone and you never come across him again.

At the final battle with the main bad guy you learn that HE, THE GRANDMASTER, is the grown up version of the boy, and that the grandmaster is trying to save mankind from another ice age. Due to the witcher treating the boy as his son, the boy grows up(where ever/"WHEN"ever he teleported off to) idolizing the witcher and witchers in general, and his plan involves using their abilities to kill non humans in an area down south to make a safe haven for humans to survive the coming ice age. The full story is even more sad for the grandmaster but its too much info to go into here.

SUMMARY: The grandmaster(who can teleport through time and has seen a coming ice age that kills off humanity) is killed by the PC. The PC was the only person the grandmaster knew as a father figure. The grandmaster's crime was a plan to kill nonhumans for their resources(in this case land was the resource), so that the human race could survive the coming ice age. Fighting and killing over resources isn't anything new, nor is evil when your own people depend on those resources to survive. Hell, most countries still do that, at least the grandmaster had a somewhat decent reason, the survival of the human race.

 

[kommando367]

Kerrigan from Starcraft 2.

 

[Arnoxthe1]

I don't care if your character dies, just so long as the portal gun wins in the end.

Fixed.

On the other hand, Bowser from super mario. I definitely think he was the good guy there.

 

[Idocreating]

Xande from FF3 ranks up there. Sure, when you finally get round to meeting him he looks like a demonic angel or sorts, but the has gotten royally screwed over.

Basically, Xande and 2 other guys were students of some great mage of sorts. When the mage died he gifted his students, he gave one power over magic, another power of dreams and he gave Xande the gift of MORTALITY.

Yeah, dude got fucking screwed.

 

[moosek]

The Boss, MGS3.
Ganondorf, Wind Waker.
Saren, Mass Effect.

 

[putowtin]

Lucien from Fable 3.

Spoiler

You take over from him, and then he reveals that the whole nation is going to be invaded and crushed by an ancient horror. And to stop it, you have to be arguably worse than him (or break the game through exploiting real estate, but that's irrelevant). That was a big "Oh!" moment for me. Sure, he acted like a tyrannical dick, but he didn't have the time or the social stability to deal with rebels and protesters peacefully.

Lucien's from Fable II The King/ Brother in Fable III is Logan

OT, first play through of FallOut NV I went with 'Hail Caeser' ..... I know the slavery and all that but he seemed the lesser of three evils!

 

[northeast rower]

Dutch in Red Dead Redemption. I thought that he represented so tragic a figure that John almost seemed like the villain in comparison. One could argue that he wasn't the main antagonist, but he definately was one of the main antagonists. It was really that final confrontation on the cliff and his speech that blew me away.

"We can't always fight change, John."

Spoiler

 

[Platti]

Not really sympathetic but Benny from New Vegas gets my vote

My sympathy for that poorly dressed weasel went out of the window when I said "I forgive you.", he said something about how great I am as a person for forgiving him, and then sent in four heavily armed guards to kill me!

In the end I just shot him in the head and left him for dead in Caesars camp.