But wasn't Saints Row 4 already out long before Anita's criticism and the developer's acceptance of said criticism?shrekfan246 said:That's exactly my point, actually. It was good (if maybe not what fans of Saints Row 2 were looking for), and there wasn't any sort of overblown backlash, from feminists or SJWs or anyone else. At least, not one that was large enough for me to have heard of it.Haerthan said:I have not played Saints Row IV. How did it turn out? I kept hearing it was good. So please enlighten me. I am serious. I am not screwing around. And I DO NOT remember a backlash against it.shrekfan246 said:Before we get to everyone brandishing their torches and pitchforks, I'd just like to point out that the last instance of a high-profile developer listening to Sarkeesian's criticism/views was Saints Row IV [https://www.google.com/search?q=saints+row+iv+anita+sarkeesian&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=np&source=hp], and anybody who has played that game knows how it turned out.
Also, more reputable sources than a Youtube video based on blog post rumors would be nice. The only information even tangentially related to anything like this has solely been fear-mongering, and it goes back two years now to a blog post originally made on Destructoid (which had no sourced facts or anything to begin with).
Here we go again: Anita Sarkeesian and the gaming community
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Boy this derailed into expected territory quickly didnt it.
OT:if its true (Which it most likely isnt) Who cares? Seriously if the fact that a Cishet, white males's sockpuppet female is consulting on a game who's first outing was met with a worldwide "Meh its ok i suppose" then you should probably rethink your priorities.
OT:if its true (Which it most likely isnt) Who cares? Seriously if the fact that a Cishet, white males's sockpuppet female is consulting on a game who's first outing was met with a worldwide "Meh its ok i suppose" then you should probably rethink your priorities.
Man, I wish people would pay me for my ill-informed opinions and lack of scholarly achievements.
She has a BA in communications and a MA in gender studies. She's written and published one dissertation, no original research and has demonstrated an incredible lack of understanding around authorial intent and ludology in games.
Betty Friedan would be spinning in her grave over the fact that this twit is considered an "influential feminist", even in our small corner of the world.
Seriously, if anyone wants to have a laugh, read her masters thesis. It's written like "feminism for 14 year old Joss Whedon fans on tumblr." It's embarrassing she's even a thing. It's embarrassing that our gaming media wants to make her a thing, particularly since her business, Feminist Frequency, has come out against violence in video games. This is real Pat Robertson/700 Club stuff masquerading as social liberalism.
Also, It's been 2 years now and I doubt I'll get my box set from her kickstarter before the end of the decade. She's too busy visiting all the media she can in order to remain relevant to actually do the work that she said she was originally going to do for 6 grand (she got over 150k just on the kickstarter).
I was really positive about this when she first came around, but now after learning more about her and seeing what she's done and listening to her and her partners comments about video games, I realize she's just another fundamentalist that wants to repress artistic expression because of her morals.
She has a BA in communications and a MA in gender studies. She's written and published one dissertation, no original research and has demonstrated an incredible lack of understanding around authorial intent and ludology in games.
Betty Friedan would be spinning in her grave over the fact that this twit is considered an "influential feminist", even in our small corner of the world.
Seriously, if anyone wants to have a laugh, read her masters thesis. It's written like "feminism for 14 year old Joss Whedon fans on tumblr." It's embarrassing she's even a thing. It's embarrassing that our gaming media wants to make her a thing, particularly since her business, Feminist Frequency, has come out against violence in video games. This is real Pat Robertson/700 Club stuff masquerading as social liberalism.
Also, It's been 2 years now and I doubt I'll get my box set from her kickstarter before the end of the decade. She's too busy visiting all the media she can in order to remain relevant to actually do the work that she said she was originally going to do for 6 grand (she got over 150k just on the kickstarter).
I was really positive about this when she first came around, but now after learning more about her and seeing what she's done and listening to her and her partners comments about video games, I realize she's just another fundamentalist that wants to repress artistic expression because of her morals.
I can't believe why anyone, either for or against video games, cares what AS has to say about anything. She is the video game journalist equivalent of the food babe. She is willfully ignorant about the things she rants about. She uses social pressure from her incompetent followers to try and manipulate companies. By getting angry at her you just give her more power. Just ignore her and she will go away.
Ah ok than. Thanks for that. Thread closed dudes and dudettes. Go home. Nah not really. Discuss away guys, I don't want to censor you. Trolololol. As far as I am concerned, the petition and video, showed in the beginning, just prove the lengths some people go to smear Anita Sarkeesian for daring to talk about videogames. And with that I declare this thread purged, burned. For the Glory of the God-Emperor.IceForce said:
Wow. I come back and so much has happened on this thread. I'll try not to lose track of all that has been said. Also, no need to apologize. I think I'm the one who kicked off this derailment by bringing up TotalBiscuit. Feel free not to comment if continuing on this subject will get us in trouble with the moderators.Haerthan said:
Anyway, sticking to my point from earlier, I don't believe disabling comments on youtube means one isn't open for debate. I certainly know TB would be open for a civil debate, considering all the open discussions he's had with various other people from outside his inner circle.
I'd certainly be disappointed in Anita if she turned this down without a very good reason, since it would be far more productive for both of them than the repeated "sniping" as you mentioned earlier, that seems to be going back and forth between the groups. I had actually heard TB's comments about some of Anita's reports and that was what made me think of this in the first place. I haven't been following her videos much, but I wondered if they were as bad as he made them sound in that brief comment about them. A one-one-one discussion would help clear that up for all of us. Not everyone would accept the results, but even a small step away from the mess we're in right now works for me.
I personally wouldn't mind or care if you close this thread. It likely won't go anywhere now that we know the truth. Plus, there will be more threads of this topic in the future anyway.Haerthan said:
I'm down with this.SaneAmongInsane said:
OP: I honestly don't care. The writing in ME was scrub-tier, and Anita can't bring it down much further (don't get me wrong, I love ME, but the writing is not good at all). If Anita got her hands on female leads worth a damn like Terra Branford, Fall-From-Grace, or Jade then I'd be up in arms in an instant, but there isn't much of a chance Anita's efforts will be felt given the circumstances.
I care very little. Even if she made the game herself, it still wouldn't influence me.
Also:
I mean, typical feminist, right?
Speaking of 180s, it's disappointing that I'm seeing a lot of the same people who were against the Target petition now suddenly in favour of petitions again.
Anyway, more to the point as far as SRIV goes, there were still big tits and juvenile weapons (including a probe weapon[footnote]not available in Australia, and this isn't a joke based on the Target thing[/footnote] and a tentacle bat), nudity, crudeness, and everything people are worried Anita will take out of games. So the major point is you can listen to criticism without totally gutting everything.
Unless Anita's responsible for the game still having content more appropriate to an expansion pack than a full game, but I actually have no idea how that would tie to Anita, femimism, or TVW. But yeah, if this is the horrible, bleak future of games run by our feminist overladies, I say sign me up.
I wonder, though, would people have liked it if they had known that at the time. Remember, this only really came up after TVW and during the promotion of Gat out of Hell.shrekfan246 said:Before we get to everyone brandishing their torches and pitchforks, I'd just like to point out that the last instance of a high-profile developer listening to Sarkeesian's criticism/views was Saints Row IV [https://www.google.com/search?q=saints+row+iv+anita+sarkeesian&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US
Also:
It's no coincidence that the game where they listen to Anita has the world blow up.
I mean, typical feminist, right?
Honestly, I suspect if not for the GG/ERMAGERD FEMINISTS thing, TB would side with Target. Not because it's the "right" thing, but because TB has routinely been pro-corporate unless it might directly impact him, and then he will 180 pretty rapidly.Haerthan said:
Speaking of 180s, it's disappointing that I'm seeing a lot of the same people who were against the Target petition now suddenly in favour of petitions again.
Anyway, more to the point as far as SRIV goes, there were still big tits and juvenile weapons (including a probe weapon[footnote]not available in Australia, and this isn't a joke based on the Target thing[/footnote] and a tentacle bat), nudity, crudeness, and everything people are worried Anita will take out of games. So the major point is you can listen to criticism without totally gutting everything.
Unless Anita's responsible for the game still having content more appropriate to an expansion pack than a full game, but I actually have no idea how that would tie to Anita, femimism, or TVW. But yeah, if this is the horrible, bleak future of games run by our feminist overladies, I say sign me up.
Yes I believe it would be nice if such a thing would happen. The whole one on one discussion between those two. But something tells me it would be futile. Also don't worry about the derailment, it was just one dude who reported me for "harassment". Again I APOLOGIZE TO ALL I "HARASSED".sageoftruth said:
Co-writes. Which doesn't indicate Anita doesn't write TVW, it indicates she doesn't write it alone. It took all of twelve seconds to do the research on that.Madkipz said:
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Oh, come on, we're not going to let a little thing like facts get in our way, are we?IceForce said:
Well the OP has been edited, please look at the video. Some people have no life if they go to such great lengths to smear one person. Remind me never to become a gaming journalist/ critic. Cause I might go insane with all the BS.
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Yes, go Anita! We need some feminism to kick the arse of the bigots in the gaming community. Also if this upsets you, you're a bigot.
It's not that Sarkeesian doesn't have a point(or several, really), it's that she's just utterly worthless at actually MAKING those points. She'd be vaguely worthwhile if she ever managed to cite examples that ARE examples, instead of things she clearly doesn't understand that in no way support her arguments.
So, fine, whatever. Let her work on Mirror's Edge 2. She'd have to find a totally different way to fuck that up, so maybe she'll get it right instead?
Also, it's just Mirror's Edge 2. Not exactly a huge loss if it ends up terrible.
So, fine, whatever. Let her work on Mirror's Edge 2. She'd have to find a totally different way to fuck that up, so maybe she'll get it right instead?
Also, it's just Mirror's Edge 2. Not exactly a huge loss if it ends up terrible.
I can't say what he's been up to lately, as I usubbed well before he said anything about GG. I think he's a bit of a tool, but he did flip on more than a couple issues. My favourite was on IP rights. But, I mean, if you go through his old shows, I'm pretty sure the pattern is pretty evident.Haerthan said:
anyway, enough about that. Let us celebrate Anita's non-involvement by looking at a scene from the Saints Row game her criticism totally ruined.
I'm not sure why she's coming on, as far as i know she has no background in game development or writing for games.
If she just on to give a yay/nay to make it feminist approved then that is somewhat troubling. Not for the who "SJW taking our games," thing, but because it seems like an outright admission that they have no grasp on female representation, and as such they have to resort to bringing other people on.
Despite Anita's rather over zealous aspects and ludicrous ideas, some of the ideas she expresses are reasonably true, and shouldn't really require an expert on the matter (whether or not she's an expert is rather questionable).
If this were anything more than a rumor i would declare that it is probably a publicity stunt for attention towards a mediocre game. But since it has already been established in this thread as incorrect, it would appear to be a non issue.
If she just on to give a yay/nay to make it feminist approved then that is somewhat troubling. Not for the who "SJW taking our games," thing, but because it seems like an outright admission that they have no grasp on female representation, and as such they have to resort to bringing other people on.
Despite Anita's rather over zealous aspects and ludicrous ideas, some of the ideas she expresses are reasonably true, and shouldn't really require an expert on the matter (whether or not she's an expert is rather questionable).
If this were anything more than a rumor i would declare that it is probably a publicity stunt for attention towards a mediocre game. But since it has already been established in this thread as incorrect, it would appear to be a non issue.