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people think because they are "offended" they can get their way and should be catered to. people as a whole need to grow some thick skin. if your offended... GET OVER IT! if some one made a game where you have to play as jesus making tables i woulnt like it but i wouldnt think that my feelings are more important than everyone else.
 
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quote="Lonan" post="7.108534.1832809"]People really need to think before they act. Good people worship these Gods in a somewhat metaphorical way. The Hindu's have a god of computer technology, they don't think of their God's in the same way Christians do. You need to keep in mind that people do respect these God's and not to just use them for the sake of entertainment. People need to respect other's religion when those who practice it have nothing against them and are not intending to harm them. These are good people you're offending, don't completely disrespect people's religion because you think all religion is pointless. Richard Dawkins would probably have more respect than these people, because they aren't trying to force their beliefs on others which dispute hard gained science, they're trying to prevent others from from doing as they please with their God's. You could hardly consider the Hindu's to be the bad people in this. The developers started it, they made a mistake. They should have thought before they made this that people actually believe in the God's they are using in their game. The developers are the ones who are doing the pushing in this, the protesters are just saying "Hey, don't push us."
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I'm going to add that what they should have done was asked some people. When you just burst into someone's territory and assuming it can be used as you please, people get angry, and will be unlikely to be accomodating, in fact if they were after all that, they should really do exercise and eat vegatables and whatever else you have to do to raise your testosterone levels. For example, under the Bush Administration, the United States declared Canada's North-West Passage international territory, even though ocean 200 miles from a nations coast is offcially the the territory of that nation. Canada simply wanted the United States to ask to use the North-West Passage, but ooooooooooh no. Good ol' George said he would send destroyers through the North-West Passage because he considers it international waters. Obama hasn't exactly been a 180 turn from that, he pretty much isn't saying anything, which means silently agreeing as far as I'm concerned, but has backed off on the destroyers. If you just ask instead of completely ignoring the people whose territory you're stepping on, they will usually be more accomodating then if you just tell them to talk to the hand and step on it anyway.[/quote]

I would a agree wholeheartedly with the previous poster. Making the game was a little stupid. Well, alot stupid. So, the people in india shouldnt buy it, if they dont want to, and in the future, developers wont release games that feature widespread, currently-worshiped gods. Not because of government bans or censorship, but because people wouldnt buy the game. Problem solved.

But, you cant decide not to depict a god just because someone, somewhere worships that god, and might be offended. That would be...retarded. For reasons that should be plain.

I do have to say one or two things regarding "pagans"

1. "pagan" is a word often used by christians as a catch-all term for relgions which dont have a biblical source. In the same way that civil servants use the word "private sector" and people in general use the word "foreigners." What pagan actually refers to, If I understand it properly, is the old european faiths, celtic, ect. "pagan" may have been co-opted when modern new-agers started to worship a variety of dead religions. which brings me to:
2> I'll admit I dont have much information on the subject of modern worshipers of greek and scandinavian gods, but I can offer a general opinion: Why? Those religions died some time ago, and entered Public Domain, in a sense. The very fact that no one beleived in those gods anymore made them cross-cultural icons.

Let me give you a related example. Astrology is sad and stupid, while alchemy is cool. The reason for this state of affairs: Nobody beleives in alchemy anymore. We can treat it with a distance, and throw it into RPGs and fantasy games, and warp and twist it into the fantasy equivalent of chemistry, but with more exploding acid. But astrology? a mild distraction for the terminally hard-of-thinking. It might become cooler and more evocative if nobody beleived in it, but the fact that people still do should be an embarassment for the entire human race.

You cant come along after the fact, and claim to worship Zeus, and them complain when people make media that makes light of you god. Pop culture owned zeus before you did.

3. Why would anybody worship zeus/odin/ect in a non-ironic way? They dont have the reassurance that most religions have of millions of other adherents bolstering your resolve. Christians can maintain faith despite some of the more ridiculous bits of it because they have millions of other people reassuring them that its all true, even people of other religions. The existance of jews, catholics, protestants, and muslims all give alot of support to the idea that, right-or-wrong, some variant of christianty is, if not the "right" religion, then its the winning one.

4. Sorry, but greek mythology, while a hoot to read, doesnt make compelling religion to anyone with a modern education. Christians and Hindus were brainwashed from birth, and culturally indoctrinated to believe in theif faiths despite the objections of their common sense. What's your excuse?

(admitteldy, Hinduism is a pretty decent religion all around. It doesnt interfere with logical thought over-much, it adapts to new situations easily, and it doesnt evangelize. America would be a better place if we switched from christianity to hinduism)
 

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You are aware that the pagans are long dead? And before you go 'but but I have pagan friends', let me point out that modern pagans are not the same people, culturally or genetically, as the original pagans.
... How are genetics connected to religious beliefs? The hindus today aren't the same people that lived 2000 years ago either.

Edit: As for the outrage... I doubt very many of the hindus are truly upset. It's just that the loudest, most easily offended people are the ones you see and hear the most.
 

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Nomadic said:
Doug said:
You are aware that the pagans are long dead? And before you go 'but but I have pagan friends', let me point out that modern pagans are not the same people, culturally or genetically, as the original pagans.
... How are genetics connected to religious beliefs? The hindus today aren't the same people that lived 2000 years ago either.

Edit: As for the outrage... I doubt very many of the hindus are truly upset. It's just that the loudest, most easily offended people are the ones you see and hear the most.
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To be frank, non of the neo-pagans can claim the culture of those beliefs as their own. The Celtic gods were originally Baltic, Central European, Western European (including Britain). The Norse gods where the Northern European gods. I see no way these neo-pagans can claim ownership over those gods in terms of the gods as cultural and historical icons. Its a form of cultural theft to act like they own these gods when they have no claim to them.

The Hindu's have pasts on, generation by generation, there beliefs and cultural 'ownership', if you will. The old pagan believes where not transferred in this matter because the last generations of them were wiped out. Because of this, the nearest to 'ownership' is country and people of origin having some say as its a part of both their culture and history.

I hesatite with Christianity or Islam, as both religions were spread by conquest and/or conversion.

Thats how I see it, anyways.

@the edit: Probably. The loudest always end up being listened too most in the media, it seems (see Jack Thompson). Its like that delay in the release of LittleBigPlanet because one dickhead muslim took offense at something moderate majority of muslims found entirely unoffensive (and the author of the music piece was muslim and seemed to feel it was a praise of the religion to include the words as lyrics).
 

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Honestly, did no-one in the developers stop to think 'Hmm, this may piss people off'. It'd be like having a game where you play as Jesus doing...I dunno, stuff.

As for God of war, I doubt anyone believes in the Olympian gods anymore (I could be wrong, but I'm sure orthodox Christianity is the primary religion over in Greece these days, and anyone else who believed in them is long gone).
if there was a game based on Jesus, they should make it a sandbox game where you had to be gathering followers and performing acts of good, missions would come from the heaven by an angel and you could make a lot of thing involving but not limited to "healing the sick" and "making wine out of water"

your enemies could be the Romans and certain factions of the Judaism.
 

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HentMas said:
Doug said:
Honestly, did no-one in the developers stop to think 'Hmm, this may piss people off'. It'd be like having a game where you play as Jesus doing...I dunno, stuff.

As for God of war, I doubt anyone believes in the Olympian gods anymore (I could be wrong, but I'm sure orthodox Christianity is the primary religion over in Greece these days, and anyone else who believed in them is long gone).
if there was a game based on Jesus, they should make it a sandbox game where you had to be gathering followers and performing acts of good, missions would come from the heaven by an angel and you could make a lot of thing involving but not limited to "healing the sick" and "making wine out of water"

your enemies could be the Romans and certain factions of the Judaism.
True, and it'd still piss some idiots off, heh - see the whole 'Chocolate Jesus' incident. To be honest, I don't know what that particular Hindu god is all about (Although I was lead to believe in RE in school that Hindus believe in 1 god with many forms...?)
 

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Terminalchaos said:
how can you say that someone that has Danish blood has any less right to worship the Norse gods as someone with Norwegian blood?
I wasn't saying that - I was saying they can worship all they like but they don't have a right to get offended if someone of that culture does something they consider 'heretic'.

For example, here in Britain, we have a tradition of tossing coins into fountains and making a wish. This comes from the pagan days, when throwing items into the waters of rivers and inlets was considered an offering to the Gods. However, a modern pagan may look at this and consider it as being 'offensive' because we don't worship those gods even though we do the act. I'm saying that a neo-pagan has no right to call that sort of thing offensive, nor to look at how we view our own history with regard to pagan gods and call that offensive to them.
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As far as cultural ownership is concerned- if you pick up a culture and try to make it part of you (or you part of it) then you have the same rights of cultural ownership. Just because most of their followers were wiped out by other more insecure vindictive religions doesn't make the pagans give up cultural ownership of those deities. If people choose to embrace the old religions thats their right and their beliefs are valid and they have the right to feel the same degree of cultural ownership of their deities as any of the major religions do with theirs.
Fair enough if you take and absorb elements of another culture, and/or completely take on another culture. What I'm saying is you can't take on the elements of another culture, then turn back to the orign culture and call it offense.

For example, I couldn't (or shouldn't) just start worshipping the ancient Eygptian gods, and then get pissy about the modern Eygptians not worshipping Isis anymore (I believe they are currently primarily Islamic?)
 

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Wow, if you think about it, this is like one big flame war over crossover fan-fiction. "How dare you put Harry Potter on the Mining Ship Red Dwarf!!!!!" Its a work of human fiction (Hinduman and the whole religion) appearing in another work of fiction (this shitty sounding game). Id actually consider this news more weighty if it was actually about copyright infringement...

Personally, if I were in their (Sonys) positione Id just say "if your god really gives a shit (or even exists for that matter) tell him to try and stop me!"

This is just another chapter in the age old tale of "Human beings are a bunch of whiny, violent, idiotic little bitches"
 

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Does no one else want to play Scientology: The Game? Seriously, the back story on that one sounds kick ass!
 

Elf Defiler Korgan

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Interest groups, they love to make a fuss. I was thinking of how to respond to this, and then I read the last line.

"Hanuman is a major figure in the Hindu epic The Ramayana, in which he leads an army of monkeys to fight an evil demon king."

Anyone who believes this, should not tell anyone else what to do. They believe Tolkien-esque fantasy as being the truth of the past. Seems to me as if Hindu groups have seen the Muhammad cartoon affair leed to results for the Muslims, so now they will pursue the path of inspiring rage. Oh those insulting Western curs! We will make them respect us.

Xaositect makes some good points.
 

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I think it's a solid idea. Now if you excuse me, I need to get back to my latest game, Kung-Fu Jesus where you run around killing the evil and wicked, collecting golden crosses. After you collect a certain amount, you can either perform miracles or smite the wicked with your power. You can use all sorts of powers, like throwing your crown of thorns as a boomerang, or turning staffs to snakes that will come to your aid. At the end of the game, you will be labeled as either a "New Testament God" or "Old Testament God", depending on your choices. The final boss is Judice riding a golden goat. I'm sure that nobody will be offended by this wonderful, non-controversial game idea. What a wonderful idea I had, as opposed to virtually anything else. [/sarcasm]

In any case, the first thing that caught my eye was "New PS2 game", and I really think that they could've done a survey or two before spending all that time and money on a video game that's going to be hated and removed by the country's religious leaders.
 

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jebussaves88 said:
Does no one else want to play Scientology: The Game? Seriously, the back story on that one sounds kick ass!
Star Wars: Knights of the Republic is an amazingly satisfying substitute.