Homosexuality in Today's Society

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seidlet

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Cliff_m85 said:
But homosexuals are a clean and polite group of people, and they've been that way ever since they came here from France.
i feel the overwhelming urge to hi-five you.

obviously, i have no problem whatsoever with homosexuality. i'm pretty sure that my gay friends vastly outnumber my straight friends, as i was sucked into a predominately lesbian social circle five or six years ago and i've been unable to claw my way out ever since. i'm not really an activist for equal rights, though certainly i'll vote that way whenever something comes up on a ballot.
 

ghost02

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Ok. I just have a problem with it. I may be the only one, and it is not PC, but I am a homophobe. I just am. I can't change what I see, homosexuality bother me to no end, if some one is gay, and I know, I just can't talk to them, it is incredably awkward for me.
 

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Well, you know that old line 'Hey, some of my best friends are gay!' ?

Well, I've only known 2 I believe, and they were both bastards to me.

So, I fully support gay rights, to the extent that they get the same as us heteros, anything past that I disagree with.

Because the way I see it, they probably would have been annoying fuckers if they'd been straight, its not relevant, which is why I spent a few lines bringing it up. (?)

Having said that, I've got no problem with saying a boss enemy in a game is 'being fucking gay at me' if I get mad at him for being cheap or just plain too difficult. (sidesteps the word hard to save other people quoting me for cheap laughs.)

I think I've stated it before, but 'gay' meant stupid or wrong when I was at school, and was mainly directed at inanimate objects over people, the same way if you saw a kid picking up a penny, he'd be labeled as a jew, jewboy, or jewbag for weeks on end, despite none of us knowing what gay or jew meant. There was certainly no malice intended towards gays or jews.
 

Therumancer

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A discussion like this can't go anywhere good. Political Correctness being what it is, if someone was to seriously get on here and start *seriously* argueing the issue from the less publically accepted (anti-gay) standpoint, this would turn into a flame war.

Forget my opinions on the subject. Along with religion and (for the most part) politics, this is one topic that simply should not come about on most websites.

I'm not a deeply spiritual person. But I was assaulted by a gay man when I was like six. The experience was so traumatic I (thankfully) don't remember it, but I know it happened. Over the years my opinion has fluctuated from extreme hatred to mild distrust (but fairly accepting) and back and forth for a long time.


I've examined the issue from a number of standpoints, and I won't give my opinions here for example because it would be like dropping a bloody match into a gas tank.


The only sentiment I will share since it's not likely to cause people to freak out so heavily, is that I do not think there should be a homosexual movement in general all labeled as gay rights.

For reasons totally seperate from being a pervo guy who enjoys a bit of girl on girl stuff from time to time (which I only mention for the sake of fairness), I think that people should divide gays and lesbians into seperate groups for this issue, and compute statistics accordingly. Such has not occured within the mainstream.

I say this because any way you want to slice it we're looking at a sociological issue. A group of people within a bigger society. There ARE differances between men and women and how we both "tick" mentally. Granted not as extreme as some might think, but the differances DO exist which is why you have a lot of issues and mental sciences divided. Whether it's politically correct to say so or not, there are plenty of periodicals and such directed specifically at one gender or the other for this reason.... and well, I'm sure if you try
on that level you can find your own reasons.

Not a "divide and conquer" strategy, or hating gays specifically because of what happened to me. Simply a statement of fact I've come to over the years. There IS a homosexual meta culture caused by societies pressures, but beyond that gays and lesbians exist in almost entirely differant social cosms, which might overlap as part of some other lifestyle (ie S&M or other fetishes) but otherwise remain fairly seperate.

When people talking about the "Lifestyle" they are talking about the homosexual subcultures, and yes they very much exist. If your gay, and you hang out with other gay people, and there are enough of you in an area to be noticible, then there is a gay subculture whether you want to admit it or not. I mean I'm sure we ALL know that gay bars and nightclubs are not a work of say O'Reilly's imagination. Just the fact that there are places where people go to meet and mingle with others of "their own kind" is proof of the very existance of what he says... without any specific comments from me on it, other than yes... it's out there. Denying it exists is ridiculous, but you might guess by people who are on this forum and try and attack the very idea of a "gay lifestyle", that it can lead in some inconveinent, and unflattering directions for the issue as a whole.

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ghost02

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Why do they have gay bars and such? Why not go to heterosexual clubs? Why? Because they are scared? Maybe. Why should they have a subculture unless they are not accepted. Drug culture: not accepted. Goth culture: not accepted. Emo: not accepted. Most cultures that have their own ways of dressing and acting are not accepted. They should not exist, they should not beleive in what they stand for. What do gays stand for? What do goths and emos and drugs stand for? Socially destructive things. Things that destroy nations. May be extreme for goth and emo, but gays and druggies destroy.
 

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ghost02 said:
Why do they have gay bars and such? Why not go to heterosexual clubs? Why? Because they are scared? Maybe. Why should they have a subculture unless they are not accepted. Drug culture: not accepted. Goth culture: not accepted. Emo: not accepted. Most cultures that have their own ways of dressing and acting are not accepted. They should not exist, they should not beleive in what they stand for. What do gays stand for? What do goths and emos and drugs stand for? Socially destructive things. Things that destroy nations. May be extreme for goth and emo, but gays and druggies destroy.
Interesting way of thinking I guess, except homosexuality happens in nature, there's gay penguins, monkeys dolphins and there's a gene that determines sexuality that was discovered in humans. If you think it's a choice you're wrong and perhaps delusional, people do what they want and shouldn't be judged. It isn't hurting you so why the hate?
 

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Why hate? Because it isn't correct. They destroy cultures, that is why. They create bad examples for our children. Doing what you want is not correct, even if it is nature. Nature tells us to get angry and sometimes to murder and be anarchits, but we have laws agianst it. Why do we have laws agianst drugs? Because they are scientifically bad and spread disease. Hey Aids is a disease! Guess what people, take off the PC glasses and see the truth, these people are not what our society needs or wants. I know I am going to get flamed. I know I may be an extremeist. But I stand firm in my thoughts. That is what I think to be true.
 

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ghost02 said:
Why do they have gay bars and such? Why not go to heterosexual clubs? Why? Because they are scared? Maybe. Why should they have a subculture unless they are not accepted. Drug culture: not accepted. Goth culture: not accepted. Emo: not accepted. Most cultures that have their own ways of dressing and acting are not accepted. They should not exist, they should not beleive in what they stand for. What do gays stand for? What do goths and emos and drugs stand for? Socially destructive things. Things that destroy nations. May be extreme for goth and emo, but gays and druggies destroy.
This man is correct.

Me ****ing **** killed his Wife.
Hey Aids is a disease! Guess what people, take off the PC glasses and see the truth, these people are not what our society needs or wants. I know I am going to get flamed. I know I may be an extremeist. But I stand firm in my thoughts. That is what I think to be true.
You know what else is a disease?

Syphilis.

Just ask your mother.
 

ghost02

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I knew I was going to get called a troll... I just have diffrent beleifs than you and you think I am a troll.
 

Aries_Split

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ghost02 said:
I knew I was going to get called a troll... I just have diffrent beleifs than you and you think I am a troll.
Calling an entire group of people socially destructive is not having a different belief.

That's having like...Autism.

Fuck off.
 

Bofus Teefus

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I cut this down to the main points.
TheNecroswanson said:
They got stuck and asked if we could help them out as we had shovels...

My friend asks, "You vote on Prop 8?'
They said yes.
"What did you vote/"
"We voted against the gays."
"Why?"
"They're immoral."
So I piped in, "You people religious?"
"No."
"Well, something that isn't against any of your beliefs is immoral simply because it's different. Douche baggery begets douche baggery. You'll see no help from me. And next time, don't drive a Geo without chains on ice, dumbass."
And we went back to shoveling. They had to call a tow truck.
If that's a true story, then you are my hero for the next 24 hours. I'll decorate a shrine with a printout of your avatar, and pay my respects whenever I enter/exit my apartment, which will be like twice in the next day, but still...

I moved from a rather tolerant area to a wonderfully backwards midwestern heap of a city. I'm surrounded by "moral" types who oppose gayness in the most obnoxious of ways. Technically, this doesn't have an effect on my straight self, but the culture out here just bothers me. I really never have understood the meanness toward gays, and whenever I ask about the motivation for the hatred, the reasoning always comes down to what the dumbasses in the Geo here had to say. It's just irritating.
 

NeverAiling

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This is how gay people are to me: No wait I don't know any other gay people. /cry
This is how straight people are to me: Everybody loves me but nobody respects me. People think of me as a very tall woman. I have been hurled from manhood.

As far as I am concerned the gayness is a concentration of masculinity. The whole point is that there are *two* men.

But if I tell someone I'm gay (because only about 30% of people guess, lol), the first thing they ask me is:

So are you the guy or the woman?
 

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Okay, THIS one is tricky because if I say anything wrong I'll get flamed and called a bigot, but here goes: I'm Catholic, and we believe that homosexuality is wrong. We don't label anyone a hopeless sinner or any sort of bad name, nor will we. We don't believe that the person is bad for being homosexual, but we DO believe that it is wrong to PRACTICE homosexuality, that is to say, actively seeking partners of the same sex and/or having sex with partners of the same sex. We believe anyone with an active homosexual lifestyle should change their ways.
 

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ssjSephiroth said:
Okay, THIS one is tricky because if I say anything wrong I'll get flamed and called a bigot, but here goes: I'm Catholic, and we believe that homosexuality is wrong. We don't label anyone a hopeless sinner or any sort of bad name, nor will we. We don't believe that the person is bad for being homosexual, but we DO believe that it is wrong to PRACTICE homosexuality, that is to say, actively seeking partners of the same sex and/or having sex with partners of the same sex. We believe anyone with an active homosexual lifestyle should change their ways.
Due to something in the Old Testament, which was overturned by the New Testament.
 

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ssjSephiroth said:
Okay, THIS one is tricky because if I say anything wrong I'll get flamed and called a bigot, but here goes: I'm Catholic, and we believe that homosexuality is wrong. We don't label anyone a hopeless sinner or any sort of bad name, nor will we. We don't believe that the person is bad for being homosexual, but we DO believe that it is wrong to PRACTICE homosexuality, that is to say, actively seeking partners of the same sex and/or having sex with partners of the same sex. We believe anyone with an active homosexual lifestyle should change their ways.
I was born and raised catholic too, but I am gay and I can tell you it is always easier when sitting on the other side of the fence. Why is homosexuality wrong....I don't know I can't tell you, I'm gay and it feels so right and natural, I can't imagine anything other then what I am. I can tell you what the old testament says and I can tell you that Jesus himself never said anything about homosexuality at all.....but I can tell you why it is wrong because I don't believe that

Another thing is that it doesn't bother me when someone says that they find it disgusting when they think of gay people because I find it disgusting to think of a guy and girl going at it....
 

NeverAiling

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Let's not debate whether or not christianity forbids homosexuality. There are prohibitory passages throughout both "epochs" of the bible, catholics and jews have their own bibles, and there are several different historical versions of even those books that all three share.

Honestly. "The Bible" forbids homosexual acts, and arguably more. But for the love of god, why are bring god into this?

This is an argument about morality! Surely we're not going to ask the "and kill every man, woman, sheep, cattle, and infant"-god for morality tips?