Homosexuality in Today's Society

[Gamine]

I dont feel the need to disagree with anybody, everyman to his own abi? dont just shove it in my face and try to make me feel bad for not liking it.

If i dont like the unclean pig, i dont expect to see people gnashing their teeth and calling me a Hater.[And the Hater thing--------> gross sign of insecurity]

Thing is, people who don't like pig aren't shoving the fact that they *don't* like the unclean pig in anyone's face. On the other hand, people--not all, but some--who don't like homosexuality are shoving their dislike in everyone's face.

If you are what you say you are, you're caught in the cross-fire. It would be more effective for you to complain that way, to first acknowledge that you understand why people are 'shoving their homosexuality in people's faces' because it's part of an ongoing struggle right now between the real 'Haters' and people who are supportive of homosexuality.

In other words, if you want the other side to stop firing at you because you're neutral, the best way to do that is to acknowledge that they really do have enemies and show how you're not one of them before complaining about the collateral damage.

Sure they have enemies, and i have always said it, There is no good in Hate. They should also recognise that, it goes with most things in this world, there is nothing that is accepted 100%, there would always be the neutrals, the haters and the Lovers, so they should get over it!

 

[Gamine]

I can say through my experiences and others will agree with me that a majority of gays ARE special cases. They're just as troubled as any rebellious, pill-taking teen-emo-ranger. They adopt countless fashions and trends, act like morons just to get some attention by the equally demented crowd and ***** about things, simply because they like cock.

You should see the idiotic things straight guys do. Yet no one is calling them 'troubled' just because they pop their collars.

I so hate that popping collars of a thang

 

[Gamine]

Read. My. God. Damned. Posts. All of them. The reason there is so many long, complex words is to actually explain my point of view clearly. (And because I stand by the view that if your not willing to read, you don't deserve to vote.)

The term 'Homosexual lifestyle' is an utter, abject failure in joined-up thinking, as the only thing that the majority of homosexuals have in common is that they are attracted to members of the same sex. Beyond that, there is no commonality of the gay community! A gay man in California does not behave in the same manner as one in Japan, and so on.


Saying you do not approve of the lifestyle is, therefore, either saying:

A) You do not approve of same-sex relations, for that it the ONLY homosexual universal.
B) You do not approve of wearing bright clothes, taking drugs and acting strangely, which is simply like saying 'I object to people having fun.'

Your phrasing is a cop-out, you are saying 'I don't like gays', but trying to imply a broader disapproval so as to make yourself seem less of a killjoy.


And as for the 'against nature' argument, so is:

Anal sex of all kinds.
Masturbation.
Flight.
Swimming.
Eating cooked food.
Coca-cola and other carbonated beverages.
Alcoholic drinks of above 10% in concentration.
Cake.
Guns.
Plastic.
Petrol.
Keeping pets.

Who cares what people wear. . .LOL, i know folks who wear bright clothing and they arent gay..you dont make much sense there.

And did it take you so long to know that..yeh i dont approve of same-sex relationships, i wonder what my posts have been about.

Against the natural order, yeh and now your comparing it to guns, pets and such..DUH! doesnt still make it one with Nature. .Your reasoning is skewered

You know you get gay elephants, dogs, monkeys, etc. which is pretty strong evidence for homosexuality being a natural thing, and just look throughout human history there are countless examples of gayness. If it was just some fad or rouge genetics then why would it be so prevalent throughout the natural world. So you can disagree with it if you wish but its perfectly natural and its not going to go away.

Not the "Noahs Ark" arguement again!!!

So then Incest could also be natural, hmm i learn Everyday!!!

 

[Gamine]

Sure they have enemies, and i have always said it, There is no good in Hate. They should also recognise that, it goes with most things in this world, there is nothing that is accepted 100%, there would always be the neutrals, the haters and the Lovers, so they should get over it!

I don't think it's about going from, like, being accepted 99.99% to accepted 100%. I think it's going from being accepted somewhere short of 100%, but still higher than they are now.

There's no reason to get over something you can change.

I dont think it can be changed. .

 

[vamp rocks]

well, im gay but not fully out... some of my close friends know but not everyone.. they were all shocked when i told them, aparently i play a straight guy well.. my persona is not the stereotypical "oh... my.. god... thats fabulous.." insanely camp personality..

ill update this later when i fully come out... (should be in the next week or so.. i only told my friends this week) but after i told the first person it became easier and easier to tell people.. everyone i have told has been fully supportive..

i dont know... but i dont take much offense when people say "oh, thats gay" as if saying its weird or stupid.. i even say it from time to time.. but maby thats just my acting side leaking out... but still, i dont find it that offensive but i think i may find it more and more offensive when everyone knows...

 

[Lord George]

Read. My. God. Damned. Posts. All of them. The reason there is so many long, complex words is to actually explain my point of view clearly. (And because I stand by the view that if your not willing to read, you don't deserve to vote.)

The term 'Homosexual lifestyle' is an utter, abject failure in joined-up thinking, as the only thing that the majority of homosexuals have in common is that they are attracted to members of the same sex. Beyond that, there is no commonality of the gay community! A gay man in California does not behave in the same manner as one in Japan, and so on.


Saying you do not approve of the lifestyle is, therefore, either saying:

A) You do not approve of same-sex relations, for that it the ONLY homosexual universal.
B) You do not approve of wearing bright clothes, taking drugs and acting strangely, which is simply like saying 'I object to people having fun.'

Your phrasing is a cop-out, you are saying 'I don't like gays', but trying to imply a broader disapproval so as to make yourself seem less of a killjoy.


And as for the 'against nature' argument, so is:

Anal sex of all kinds.
Masturbation.
Flight.
Swimming.
Eating cooked food.
Coca-cola and other carbonated beverages.
Alcoholic drinks of above 10% in concentration.
Cake.
Guns.
Plastic.
Petrol.
Keeping pets.

Who cares what people wear. . .LOL, i know folks who wear bright clothing and they arent gay..you dont make much sense there.

And did it take you so long to know that..yeh i dont approve of same-sex relationships, i wonder what my posts have been about.

Against the natural order, yeh and now your comparing it to guns, pets and such..DUH! doesnt still make it one with Nature. .Your reasoning is skewered

You know you get gay elephants, dogs, monkeys, etc. which is pretty strong evidence for homosexuality being a natural thing, and just look throughout human history there are countless examples of gayness. If it was just some fad or rouge genetics then why would it be so prevalent throughout the natural world. So you can disagree with it if you wish but its perfectly natural and its not going to go away.

Not the "Noahs Ark" arguement again!!!

So then Incest could also be natural, hmm i learn Everyday!!!

Actually Nature created a fail-safe against incest as animals that engage in it usually get a form of sever depression which stops most living things from naturally doing it.

 

[Gamine]

Hahaha, i didnt see my dogs getting depressed, infact it was the other way around..they seemed all giddy!!

 

[blindey]

Sure they have enemies, and i have always said it, There is no good in Hate. They should also recognise that, it goes with most things in this world, there is nothing that is accepted 100%, there would always be the neutrals, the haters and the Lovers, so they should get over it!

I don't think it's about going from, like, being accepted 99.99% to accepted 100%. I think it's going from being accepted somewhere short of 100%, but still higher than they are now.

There's no reason to get over something you can change.

I dont think it can be changed. .

Nope you *can't* change it. "reparative therapy" (basically what's been in line from evangelical christian groups who claim to turn gay people straight) is a complete crock. Also specific to that or any attempt to force someone to change their sexuality is ultimatly harmful to themselves...which I'll get into when replying to a certain post.

I can say through my experiences and others will agree with me that a majority of gays ARE special cases. They're just as troubled as any rebellious, pill-taking teen-emo-ranger. They adopt countless fashions and trends, act like morons just to get some attention by the equally demented crowd and ***** about things, simply because they like cock.
Of course, that's not the only type. You've got the holier-than-thou type, the closet type, the pride type, the insecure type, the crossdressing type and JUST SOMETIMES, you'll find the 'normal' type, the 'bearable' type, the type that doesn't want to be associated with the masses of mental cases.
In any case, you'll never get jumped for your sexual orientation if you keep it as just that: your orientation, as opposed to your lifestyle. I've been fine around those that are uneducated bigots, because don't have the urges to act like a *****, every second.

The majority of gay people are what you say above? Awesome because of course your (in whatever ways) limited experience is akin to fact. Oh wait, it's not. In fact you can't even get a sense of how many gay people there *are* much less the majority's beahivor, norms et cetera. I don't care if you knew 2000 gay people in your life in 1500 of them were as you described - it's not scientific, and it's not valid.

Furthermore, on your point with problems, gay people are as you probably know MUCH (especially gay men) more likely to be abused, leading to at-risk behaviors: promiscuity, alcohol and other drugs, and all that. I have sources and here they are.

There's two or three studies I want to mention and they're in journals, so here's the links. If anyone can't access the actual studies (which I would imagine would be most people(?)) and would like to read them, PM me and I'll send 'em along.

Methodological problems regarding sampling of homo/bisexuality
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/cou/56/1/23/

Ingroup differences
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/cou/56/1/44/

Increased case for abuse
http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=search.displayRecord&uid=2005-06517-010

Edit: To that last part...I'm rather speechless in fact. "don't act like a ***** and you won't get jumped" is what you're saying. Ironically that sounds like something some redneck would say because in fact it's obviously not *just* sexual orientation it's the violation of gender norms. I recall a case where a husband and wife were at a bar and he held onto her purse, for her to go to the restroom or something, anyway, some guys jumped and KILLED HIM because of the perception he was gay, not even if he were. Don't talk to me about not acting like that, and also It appears here there's what, about 30 or so gay/bi guys 'n gals have responded? Nothing about them seems like it'd fit with what you're saying.

 

[Gamine]

Sure they have enemies, and i have always said it, There is no good in Hate. They should also recognise that, it goes with most things in this world, there is nothing that is accepted 100%, there would always be the neutrals, the haters and the Lovers, so they should get over it!

I don't think it's about going from, like, being accepted 99.99% to accepted 100%. I think it's going from being accepted somewhere short of 100%, but still higher than they are now.

There's no reason to get over something you can change.

I dont think it can be changed. .

Nope you *can't* change it. "reparative therapy" (basically what's been in line from evangelical christian groups who claim to turn gay people straight) is a complete crock. Also specific to that or any attempt to force someone to change their sexuality is ultimatly harmful to themselves...which I'll get into when replying to a certain post.

You didnt get what we were on about, it wasnt about changing the sexuality, its about changing how people feel about the whole thing.

Also, What would say about the person who was "Straight" suddenly came out the Closet became "Lesbian" now "Bisexual" Confused?

 

[blindey]

Also, What would say about the person who was "Straight" suddenly came out the Closet became "Lesbian" now "Bisexual" Confused?

Sexuality and coming out is a very involved process especially during teen and young adult years (on average gay males come out in mid/late teens and gay females come out in early 20s/etc) So while forming a sexual identity one could go through the experimentation both physically and with feelings/thoughts (eg. Do I like guys/girls, how much, what attracts me to them, characteristics all that stuff) and by trial and error come to whatever conclusion.

 

[spyrewolf]

here's the thing, gay people are people too even though they are shunned by a society from alot of different groups and religions,

they have less right's than those who are not gay, this is disgusting. how would it feel if you were told that you cant marry the person you love because we don't agree with your views.
and to make matters worse, being gay is a social sigma (your gay insult).

we've all seen racist's and genocidal maniac's but really is there a difference between racism and homophobia...short answer no. your still hating on a group of people because the are different.

hopefully in at least the next decade we will see a major reform to the way people treat gay and lesbians. but this is going to take a HUGE social over-hall much like when segregation was abolished.

i know most people are tolerant but when will people learn that because people are different they not going to destroy society, i have a few friends who are openly gay, and seeing all the crap that they must endure from people and society is just sickening.

and for the religious zealot's, ( i mean the gay hating your going to hell because you gay crowd) who do you think you are imposing belief's upon others. god made us straight oh really!?!.... then why are their gay people or are you saying your god does not know what he is doing...

 

[Eipok Kruden]

Well, I know that it's become much easier to live with for me at least, because I can be open about it online, where I know it won't get back to my parents and friends until I'm ready to tell them about it myself, so I don't have to deal with the stress of bottling it up. But I will say, you can tell that even though people say that they'd be fine if someone they knew turned out to be gay, there's plenty of people that wouldn't be fine with it. And even though it seems like the US has become more accepting of gay rights, the fact that things like Proposition 8 exist proves that it's just simmering beneath the surface.

Same. That's one of the greatest things about the internet. Anonymity. I can be open on the internet without it coming back to haunt me offline. Both my parents are extremely homophobic and they voted Yes on Prop 8 (I live in CA). It's sickening just thinking about it.

 

[Eipok Kruden]

*tips hat* That's all from me, folks. Thanks for your time.

One of the most overused phrases on this site. It's honestly just corny and stupid now.

 

[Gamine]

Also, What would say about the person who was "Straight" suddenly came out the Closet became "Lesbian" now "Bisexual" Confused?

Sexuality and coming out is a very involved process especially during teen and young adult years (on average gay males come out in mid/late teens and gay females come out in early 20s/etc) So while forming a sexual identity one could go through the experimentation both physically and with feelings/thoughts (eg. Do I like guys/girls, how much, what attracts me to them, characteristics all that stuff) and by trial and error come to whatever conclusion.

Which ends up being just a choice, no?

 

[Rolling Thunder]

Also, What would say about the person who was "Straight" suddenly came out the Closet became "Lesbian" now "Bisexual" Confused?

Sexuality and coming out is a very involved process especially during teen and young adult years (on average gay males come out in mid/late teens and gay females come out in early 20s/etc) So while forming a sexual identity one could go through the experimentation both physically and with feelings/thoughts (eg. Do I like guys/girls, how much, what attracts me to them, characteristics all that stuff) and by trial and error come to whatever conclusion.

Which ends up being just a choice, no?

Sorry, the evidence on the whole 'choice' or 'ingrained' thing is yet to be comprehensively unearthed, and any analysis is going to be more buried in semantics than Ayn Rand's daftness is in rhetoric.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Homesexuality is not a choice. Pretending to be lesbian is, but whether you are truly attracted to a member of the same sex or not is not your choice. Believe me, with all of the prejudice and inequality, I would have chosen to be straight if it was purely by choice. But I can't. I'm bisexual (or possibly pansexual), and that's the way I am. You can no more choose to be gay or straight than you can choose to have green or blue eyes.

 

[Higurashi]

*tips hat* That's all from me, folks. Thanks for your time.

One of the most overused phrases on this site. It's honestly just corny and stupid now.

*rubs eyes*
I'm having a hard time understanding the meaning of this comment. I've never done it before, and maybe I've seen two people do it, tops. But whatever, you can think what you like. I was only being polite. No reason for that comment though.

 

[Dark-Dreymer]

It's no biggie really. He was drunk at the time and he never tried it again, 'sides I pushed him off pretty quick. Guess I shoulda said that, didn't want to get all melodramatic, like I said, life's been good to me ^^