Homosexuality

[SeniorDingDong]

Just a question to all of you who say that you don't like homosexuals "shoving it in your face"...

How many of you think you could live with a person who was an open homosexual, was in a committed romantic and sexual relationship with another man, and lived in the same house as you, as your house-mate.

Would him bringing his boyfriend over a few nights a week be "shoving it in your face"?

No. Due to my limited english vocabulary, I am going to post my "in your face"-scale as short as possible:

- overly femimine behavior
- faking their voices
- offensively erotic clothing
- talking all the time about it
- doing things beyond regular kissing or hugging in front of my eyes
- always feeling as a victim

Most of them can also be used on straight couples.

 

[Jonabob87]

There's a difference between having a problem with homosexuals and having a problem with homosexuality. One of my friends is gay, she's brilliant and she knows that I'm against it but she also knows that I still think she's awesome. Just because you hate something about someone, or something they do doesn't mean you hate that person.

For example, my wife hates that I'm really forgetful. She doesn't hate me because I'm forgetful, but she does hate that part of me.

The bit that is always missed by religious leaders when talking about homosexuality (this applies to Christian, Muslim and Jewish) is that while God hates the sin he doesn't hate the sinner. Thus providing a horrendous example. Of course it doesn't help that in the modern world "That thing you did upset me." equates to "I HATE YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY." So how does one put "I think what you're doing is wrong" without accidentally attacking someone?

 

[DannibalG36]

"Homophobic" is an amusing appellation. It suggests that a person is afraid of homosexuals as he or she might be afraid of spiders.

And do you know what I do to spiders? I smash them with a rolled-up newspaper, crushing their pathetic, revolting little lives into nonexistence.

 

[ThePantomimeThief]

While the roots of any modern Pride (at least in Western countries) still lie in the realm of being against homophobia and helping homosexuals, almost anyone who ever goes to one knows its just an excuse to have a big old fabulous time. A better parallel would be "we need Gay Pride about as much as we need Glastonbury Festival" - as in not at all, but its damn fun to have it anyway.

Granted the marches are straying into the "you'll take part whether you want to or not," but personally if people want to make fools of themselves marching down the street in assless chaps then I'm happy to let them.

Bingo, I live near Brighton, a city with a massive gay community. They have an awesome festival each year, it's great fun if you're not too uptight. Most of my friends and I are straight, but we usually head down every year and have a great time.

As for the topic itself: homosexuality is fucking brilliant and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it whatsoever. Gay folk, lesbians, bisexuals, whatever, they're just people. Normally really cool, fun, nice people at that.

Also, random point: aren't all chaps assless?

 

[Caligulove]

It's your your own sexuality, it doesn't really affect me. Feel how you want to, all right by me.

 

[A Raging Emo]

I support the civil partnership and marriage of homosexuals but Im against children adoption.

Why's that, may I ask? (This isn't trying to be rude by the way, I am genuinely interested)

On Topic: I myself am Bisexual. I prefer women (I can say I find it better with women, as I have spent... *Ahem* Time with both Women and other Men), but I'll bat for both teams; naturally, I shall have no problems with Homosexuals.

 

[mklnjbh]

If "God hates fags," why did he create them? For the religious people out there, not everything Leviticus, where most of the argument against homosexuality comes from is an old law code that died out centuries, possibly millennia ago. Nowadays, we should all have an open mind. I am 100% for equal rights to anyone and everyone. Let them marry, let them adopt, let them live their lives happily.

 

[Kermi]

Firstly, I'm offended that you apply the label homophobic to anyone against homosexuality. Please invest in a dictionary.

What? Please explain?

"Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer, and in some cases transgender and intersex people. Definitions refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear. Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination and violence on the basis of a perceived non-heterosexual orientation"

How can you be against Homosexuality but not be homophoibc?

It's possible to be against an idea without hating it, fearing it, or holding it in contempt. Homophobia is a very specific label, and there are more shades of grey in personal morality than "approval" and "fear".

 

[teisjm]

Well, obviously i'm so awesoe that everything, even males are attraced to me.

I like gay people the same way i like vegetarians, what they do don't affect or offend me, and since they say no to the nice meat, theres more for me.

jokes aside, any sexual orientation that doesn't include child molestation, rape or other evil behavior are okay in my book, and i don't see why on earth i should care whether some dude likes dudes instead of girls.

IMO people who act strongly against homosexuallity are nothing but lame biggots, and i really can't take them seriously, they're no better than jack thompson, and he's very bad in my book.

 

[Hangaround]

I have no problem with homosexuals; and i see no natural reason for any living human being to have it either. It's proven to be natural amongst at least 1500 other species.

 

[DonMartin]

Ive nothing against homosexuals. In fact, if I were attracted to men and wanted to engage in sexual intercourse with men, I too would be gay.

 

[rockyoumonkeys]

Homos have something wrong with them. Physicaly Wrong.

Every animal on the planet lusts after a animal of the same species, but of the opposite sex.

Humans are no different... Usialy.

These people either have some weird Hormone imbalance or They have fooled themselfs into thinking they like the same sex, because it simply isnt natural.

When you have to resort to comparing humans to other animals, you've kind of already lost. Humans are a little more advanced than other animals. We have free will. We do a TON of things that are against our "nature", because we've LONG since passed the point at which we follow what "nature" supposedly dictates.

"Our nature" is completely and utterly irrelevant now, and has been for a very long time, because it just doesn't apply anymore. Wanna go back to nature? Go back to being a hunter-gatherer with limited communication skills, living in a cave. Enjoy.

 

[Mookie_Magnus]

Just a question to all of you who say that you don't like homosexuals "shoving it in your face"...

How many of you think you could live with a person who was an open homosexual, was in a committed romantic and sexual relationship with another man, and lived in the same house as you, as your house-mate.

Would him bringing his boyfriend over a few nights a week be "shoving it in your face"?

No. Due to my limited english vocabulary, I am going to post my "in your face"-scale as short as possible:

I'm going to tackle your points one-by-one.

- overly femimine behavior

Some gay men are genuinely that feminine. You wouldn't fault a woman for being feminine, nor would you fault her for being masculine either. No hypocrisy or double-standards. Besides, I never said that the man in the scenario was feminine.

- faking their voices

I'm sorry, what? Faking their voices? You mean, their tone of voice and intonation, which makes them sound stereotypically gay? Most of that is not their fault, it's just the way they talk. However, some do play it up to be annoying.

- offensively erotic clothing

Once again, I relate back to women wearing overly erotic clothing. Also, plenty of straight men wear those ridiculous wife-beaters to show off their chest and arm muscles. That could be considered erotic clothing by some... who are really into muscles. *shudder*

- talking all the time about it

Talking about being gay? You know... I have seldom heard anyone I know who is gay or bisexual talk about being gay or bisexual, in and of itself. The topic of dating comes up, as does sex, as does politics. We talk about the same stuff straight folks do.

- doing things beyond regular kissing or hugging in front of my eyes

Straight folks do this to. Honestly, I agree. No one should start getting all gropey in public, at least not seriously.

- always feeling as a victim

You'll have to forgive us for feeling like we're victims... We kind of ARE.
You'll notice, that we are still being actively discriminated against. Large portions of the world hate us for being what we are, for merely doing what feels good and natural to us. Many nations in the world won't let us marry the ones we love, and they don't have a non-religious leg to stand on. Tell me... If there was something that prevented you from getting married to the person you loved... wouldn't you feel victimized?

 

[UnderCoverGuest]

Gays can bleed just as much as other people. Don't see how they're any different than other humans. But if homophobic old white folks want to keep the fear of gays alive, shun them, and take away their rights, by all means, go ahead. Those fear-mongers only live another few years anyway, then put nail in the coffin and move on to a better future with liberty and equality for all.

Anyway, just for clarification's sake, when I say Gays bleed just as much as other people, I mean you can take a stereotypical white republican homophobic racist, and put him side-by-side with a stereotypical gay person dressed in a casual blazer with nice hair, tell them both to hold out a vein, and cut 'em. If the gay person doesn't start bleeding a poisonous, radioactive liquid that kills all life it touches, and if the homophobic person bleeds at all (tragically staining his gleaming white horse), I think we can be fairly certain that they're equal in regards to their humanity.

Oh dear, I forgot about black people and their being sub-human. Silly me, I completely forgot that if you have 1/16th black blood running in your veins, you're technically black! How goofy of me. In that case, Gays are subhuman, Blacks are a servant race, Mexicans are lazy, and white people rule supreme, blessed by the hand of God almighty. Moving on to the next topic now.

 

[Jonabob87]

You'll have to forgive us for feeling like we're victims... We kind of ARE.
You'll notice, that we are still being actively discriminated against. Large portions of the world hate us for being what we are, for merely doing what feels good and natural to us. Many nations in the world won't let us marry the ones we love, and they don't have a non-religious leg to stand on. Tell me... If there was something that prevented you from getting married to the person you loved... wouldn't you feel victimized?

Surely when we're talking about a religious ceremony such as marriage, a religious leg is more than enough to stand on? How can you talk about your right to freedom of expression but the church can't express theirs?

 

[zerofan]

I don't understand how someone can be homosexual but I'm not against it.

Lots of friends who are gay and even a few who've hit on me over the years. Still, I don't get "how" you can be gay (I'm very logical in the sense "you have sex to make babies and they can't do that" sort of thing). But I'm not closed minded, I just can't understand it :lol: but then, neither can most homosexuals.

I understand the love side of homosexuallity (wanting to marry and be with them) but the sex thing boggles me (and I think that is more to the lines of I'm not into recreational sex really myself, and no I'm not a virgin, I have two kids ).

I just wanted to put another line of thought down

 

[Jedoro]

"A gentleman has no vices, but allows others their own."

I'm fine with homosexuals, but don't hit on me.

 

[rockyoumonkeys]

You'll have to forgive us for feeling like we're victims... We kind of ARE.
You'll notice, that we are still being actively discriminated against. Large portions of the world hate us for being what we are, for merely doing what feels good and natural to us. Many nations in the world won't let us marry the ones we love, and they don't have a non-religious leg to stand on. Tell me... If there was something that prevented you from getting married to the person you loved... wouldn't you feel victimized?

Surely when we're talking about a religious ceremony such as marriage, a religious leg is more than enough to stand on? How can you talk about your right to freedom of expression but the church can't express theirs?

Marriage isn't (or at least, it shouldn't be) a purely religious ceremony. Marriage predates religion. The church, simply put, is wrong.

Now if a church doesn't want to perform gay marriages, then by all means that's their right. But making gay marriage illegal based on a purely religious standpoint is ridiculous.

 

[Mookie_Magnus]

Surely when we're talking about a religious ceremony such as marriage, a religious leg is more than enough to stand on? How can you talk about your right to freedom of expression but the church can't express theirs?

I'm not talking about Marriage as a religious institution. I'm talking about civil, government sanctioned marriage. What reason can you cite for not allowing us to be legally binded by the government? A supposedly non-religious entity.

Name one good reason that does not relate back to religion or morality.