How can Tommy be female? Power Rangers

[happyninja42]

I mean, I already pointed out that Tommy was in the top 40% of girls names in the US census for 2000. That's a significant enough use to establish that yes, Tommy is a girls name in the west. Is it the most common? No. But its not super obscure either.

40%? Huh, I missed that bit skimming the thread. Interesting. Well if it's that common, then never-fucking mind about my question xD
I just, I've never met, or heard of any woman named Tommy, even in passing, so the idea that it's in the top 40% seems odd? But whatever. I guess they can just say it's Tommy and run with it.

 

[happyninja42]

Ok, ignoring the whole source material thing...you do know that a woman can just be named Tommy, right? There are girls who have been named straight up Charlie before as well as other blatantly masculine names. (Though I think Charlie is an ugly name for any gender).

Yes I know they CAN be named Tommy, what I'm saying is I've never seen evidence that they DO get named Tommy in the US. I've never known a woman named Tommy, never heard of one in the media. In my 40 years of life, the name Tommy, has been exclusively a male-centric name. And while I don't really give a shit if they have a reason or not, I do like things to have some logic to them. If a show does a gender swap of a character, fine, I don't care. But if the character keeps the same name, and it's not one that is commonly used for both genders, then I at least would like them to explain why. Because if I met a woman who said her name was William, or Robert, or Chuck. I would ask if that was a nickname, or their birth name. Because it would be an oddity, and I would like to know the story behind it. I wouldn't care, and I wouldn't give her shit, but it's definitely not normal. So, seeing as I said before, I've never known a woman named Tommy, if they make the character female (again, which is fine with me), I'd like a reason for why they keep the name. If Tommy is as common as another poster says, and it's apparently in the top 40% of female names in the US, then whatever, that alone is reason enough I guess. But like I said, I've never known anyone by that name, who was female. So it didn't seem very commonplace to me. Hence the point of the thread, to brainstorm ways they WOULD justify the name. Either by using a mispronunciation of another culture's name, or whatever. I'm not criticizing the choice to name her Tommy, I'm asking about the method by which they would make it fit in universe logic.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Also, having a 7% lead in market share when you have 67% more products fighting for that market, in an industry dominated by two brands, that isn't an accomplishment, that's something that in any other industry would lead to heads rolling.

Oi, you, math:

No mate, it's your math that doesn't add up. Batman, the title, not the franchise, has been putting a new comic out twice a month since Rebirth. Same for Justice League, same for Harley Quinn, same for Suicide Squad, same for Superman, etc. Which means, even with only 60 odd titles, they're putting out upwards of 100 comics a month. Which you'd know if you knew about comics or looked at the charts, considering the same titles tend to show up multiple times. Marvel, on the other hand, is mostly running the one-comic-a-month thing. Math.

Meanwhile, by November, Marvel had over an 11% market share lead, and the 4 DC titles in the top 10 were all Batman books. (Batman #10 and #11, All-Star Batman #4, and Batman Annual #1. This is not indicative of a healthy stable of heroes.) DC managed to claw some back, but it's hardly like they're dominating the market.

 

[Saelune]

Ok, ignoring the whole source material thing...you do know that a woman can just be named Tommy, right? There are girls who have been named straight up Charlie before as well as other blatantly masculine names. (Though I think Charlie is an ugly name for any gender).

Yes I know they CAN be named Tommy, what I'm saying is I've never seen evidence that they DO get named Tommy in the US. I've never known a woman named Tommy, never heard of one in the media. In my 40 years of life, the name Tommy, has been exclusively a male-centric name. And while I don't really give a shit if they have a reason or not, I do like things to have some logic to them. If a show does a gender swap of a character, fine, I don't care. But if the character keeps the same name, and it's not one that is commonly used for both genders, then I at least would like them to explain why. Because if I met a woman who said her name was William, or Robert, or Chuck. I would ask if that was a nickname, or their birth name. Because it would be an oddity, and I would like to know the story behind it. I wouldn't care, and I wouldn't give her shit, but it's definitely not normal. So, seeing as I said before, I've never known a woman named Tommy, if they make the character female (again, which is fine with me), I'd like a reason for why they keep the name. If Tommy is as common as another poster says, and it's apparently in the top 40% of female names in the US, then whatever, that alone is reason enough I guess. But like I said, I've never known anyone by that name, who was female. So it didn't seem very commonplace to me. Hence the point of the thread, to brainstorm ways they WOULD justify the name. Either by using a mispronunciation of another culture's name, or whatever. I'm not criticizing the choice to name her Tommy, I'm asking about the method by which they would make it fit in universe logic.

I think you're looking too into a bastardization of a kid's show jerry-rigged from a Japanese show.

 

[happyninja42]

I think you're looking too into a bastardization of a kid's show jerry-rigged from a Japanese show.

Perhaps, except they went to a lot of trouble to explain Billy's behavior in the series as being due to autism. At least that's something I've heard from a self-described die hard fan. That looking at how Billy actually acted on the show, it seemed a lot like signs of autism. So if they are going to that much trouble to justify their in universe decisions, I don't think it's out of line to assume they will try and justify the name.

Having seen the movie twice now, I do think they are taking the various elements of it way more seriously than the source material ever did. That much is obvious. So I think it's a valid question. It's an idle question. I really don't care if they justify it or not. It was simply something that popped in my head after leaving the theater. You know how that is right? You get some odd little thought in your head, that you can't puzzle out, and it just sits there, taking up space. So, I thought I'd outsource it. Perhaps that was stupid of me, given the way this site devolves into shit so quickly, but I am forever an optimist about people actually being able to stay on topic and discuss something like civil adults.

The thread was intended to be a fun thought experiment, nothing more.

 

[Saelune]

I think you're looking too into a bastardization of a kid's show jerry-rigged from a Japanese show.

Perhaps, except they went to a lot of trouble to explain Billy's behavior in the series as being due to autism. At least that's something I've heard from a self-described die hard fan. That looking at how Billy actually acted on the show, it seemed a lot like signs of autism. So if they are going to that much trouble to justify their in universe decisions, I don't think it's out of line to assume they will try and justify the name.

Having seen the movie twice now, I do think they are taking the various elements of it way more seriously than the source material ever did. That much is obvious. So I think it's a valid question. It's an idle question. I really don't care if they justify it or not. It was simply something that popped in my head after leaving the theater. You know how that is right? You get some odd little thought in your head, that you can't puzzle out, and it just sits there, taking up space. So, I thought I'd outsource it. Perhaps that was stupid of me, given the way this site devolves into shit so quickly, but I am forever an optimist about people actually being able to stay on topic and discuss something like civil adults.

The thread was intended to be a fun thought experiment, nothing more.

Well, I think "they named her Tommy" is really all you can reasonably expect. Anything else is...excessive. Maybe they wanted a boy?

Im in the hater side of this movie though, so I dont care the way you do.

 

[happyninja42]

Well, I think "they named her Tommy" is really all you can reasonably expect. Anything else is...excessive. Maybe they wanted a boy?

Im in the hater side of this movie though, so I dont care the way you do.

Yeah, I know they can just say "her names Tommy" and be done with it. Like I said, it was mostly just an idle thought that I wanted to bounce off others. And I don't really care, I'm not a fan of the series, never watched it as a kid because it was slightly after my time, and I thought it looked pretty silly. But I did enjoy the movie. It wasn't awesome, but it was fun, and I enjoyed their chemistry. As to the question, again, it's mostly just one of those idle thoughts that you think during your average day, that keep popping up, and sort of derailing your train of thought. Like "why do hotdogs come in packages of 10, but buns come in packages of 8?" kind of thing. It ultimately doesn't amount to anything, but tell your brain that.

 

[Parasondox]

Considering that, as far as I know, the Green/White Ranger in the US Power Rangers never had to solve a problem with his dick, I don't have a problem with Tomi or Tammy or whoever being the Green/White Ranger.

If you want to run off sheer technicality, the problem of the Green/White Ranger was solved because he had a dick. In that he was an evil character sent by Rita to kick the shit out of the power rangers (and constantly did). Until he fell victim to the one thing everyone can relate to: Kimberly was cute. The core of his transformation from bad to good came from him liking Kimberly, and giving everyone time of day in his human form to spend time with her. Until eventually that cursed friendship nonsense won him over.

Maybe new Tommy could fall for Trini instead? Just to cut off everyones 'but that changes the story even more!' complaints....The original Mighty Morphin' were the most popular well adjusted kids to ever attend a highschool. The new setting has given each of them tragic back stories and flaws. Your story is dead, get over it.

Also, Tomika, Tommie.

Oh right, and Tommy(female) was in the top 40% of female names in the 2000 US census, so it turns out Tommy is already a girls name and some of you are huge babies.

Girl!Tommy/trini/Kimberly love triangle

Calling it now

Save that for the porn version.

Time to nominate your choice for which adult actress who will play these characters.

I said love triangle, not threesome just imagine all those YA novels where the teen girl protagonist has to choose between two incredibly boring white dudes. Just because she has to choose doesn't mean she's going to be spitroasted between them later.

Honestly now I have an entirely self indulgent screenplay for the power rangers sequel in my head that I'm going to have to write out now

Can a pervy guy not fantasise a sexy teen girl on girl on girl threesome anymore? Can I not live lol

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

The proof is in the numbers. Marvel went bankrupt pandering to their hardcore audience so that basically proves that kind of pandering to not work for the long term. A few posters have already said Marvel has more market share in the comic book industry than DC.

So the alternative from pandering to a fanbase that was shrinking due to a sharp drop in quality and other bad business decisions is to alienate that market (which in the early 00's was growing back) with another sharp drop in quality and other bad business decisions to attract a new base that is demonstrably not interested in spending their money at levels that make up for the losses?

Also, having a 7% lead in market share when you have 67% more products fighting for that market, in an industry dominated by two brands, that isn't an accomplishment, that's something that in any other industry would lead to heads rolling.

And I would rather a quality product be the industry standard instead of fiftyflavours of shit being celebrated because despite being shit it's different types of shit.

I'm going to ignore the conspiratorial nature of this statement and make this rebuttal instead: if you want games that have minorities who star in them (something which you seem to be under the mistaken impression is a right) then make one yourself. It's not that hard these days, there's practically software that does all the actual coding for you. Hell even Yahtzee made a few in his time.

there's an over-representation of protagonists who are white or East Asian when you look at the minority of games that have a protagonist and then look at the ones with a human protagonist who isn't player created.

Though I do find it quite ironic that it's only people in white nations that tend to complain about this given that I've not only never seen a person from a non-white country complain about this, I've also seen plenty of non-whites from the third world laugh at those who do.

You fail to show it's the Marvel "diversity" comics that are selling less because, of course, you can't since the actual numbers don't fit your agenda. I'd rather be Marvel with more properties that sell vs DC that just has like Batman. Who says only 1 type of pandering can be done at any given time. You can pander to all the demographics you want to at the same time, especially given all the properties Marvel has. It's not just pander to hardcore fans or women or Asians or Blacks or whoever. Quality is not something you can just decide upon, quality is subjective. You can get all the best talent together that makes a shitty comic. Some people will love what someone else considers to be shit. I very much doubt anyone at Marvel is telling the creators to make shit comics.

I'm not a creator so why would I go about making a game when I'm not very artistic; I don't draw, I don't write, etc. You wanting someone like me to just make a game is completely against your quality first principle. What conspiracy? There's several factual accounts of devs not being allowed to make a game with the protagonist they want to devs having to fight for their protagonists to devs having to fight to put their female characters on the box (including even Naughty Dog with The Last of Us). Where's all these Asian protagonists you talk about outside of niche Japanese games? Even the biggest Japanese games have white dudes as protagonists like Resident Evil, DMC, Metal Gear, etc. Women make up like half of the gamer population, where's their pandering at? I'd prefer to have equal pandering across the community because it then gives more game variety at least. Aiden Pierce in Watch Dogs is the example of "normal" pandering creating that drop in quality that you criticize SJW pandering for doing. Nobody wants bland characters like Aiden Pierce besides for marketing execs. If the devs (creators) aren't excited and passionate about their game's protagonist, then gamers won't be either.

Hold up. Do I have this right now?

Now your answer to those woes is to stop pandering to the niche (I agree with this part) and instead pander to a different niche. Only instead of it being the most profitable and historically reliably niche, you think they should instead concentrate on one of the least profitable demographic that they have had zero inroads in building lasting reliable audience with, and do so while continuing the problems of poor quality, going political minded instead of edgy this time, and actively driving away the few hardline fans they managed to hang onto all this time?

I never said only one group must be pandered to at a time. Pander to everyone all at once. Marvel has so many properties and characters, they can pander to everyone at once. Just looking at Marvel's Netflix shows; pandering to white dudes got me Daredevil, pandering to women got me Jessica Jones, pandering to blacks got me Luke Cage. I'd rather have that than 3 shows starring white dudes or women or black dudes. Everyone gets tired of the same stuff over time. I feel variety is naturally good as even if say 75% of your audience are white dudes, they'll get tired of constant white male protagonists, and of course, variety allows for a new audience to take a shot at one of your properties, which if they like it could lead to them trying more properties and becoming one of the hardcore fans. You have to appeal to everyone to keep a healthy and growing market.

 

[twistedmic]

Can a pervy guy not fantasise a sexy teen girl on girl on girl threesome anymore? Can I not live lol

You can fantasize all you like, but in polite society one has such fantasies in private while vocally decrying said fantasies in public. Bonus points for transferring your pervy-ness onto random people.

 

[Parasondox]

You know, I remember when they first announced that Saban and Lionsgate where to make a new Power Rangers movie, majority of the reaction was "why?", "That cheesy kids show?" and "That shit cheesy campy show from the 90s that looked bad". But as soon as a characters gender is changed...

FUCKING OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, did people who are outraged now watch Power Rangers growing up? Zeo, Turbo, In Space, Lost Galaxy, Light Speed Rescue?!? Diversity EVERYWHERE!!!

 

[Phasmal]

How can Tommy be female? Because the Power Rangers aren't real.
Ok, that's kinda dismissive, but I'm sure if they want to do it they'll come up with some reason.

Just to clarify, in case you missed the actual intent of this thread in the devolving discussion, I'm not questioning the gender of the character. I don't care either way, if the best actor for the role is a woman, go ahead. I'm talking about the name. Since this is kind of a minor (I don't think so, but you know the internet) spoiler, I'm going to put it here, again.

Spoiler

They call out Tommy's first and last name as being a new member of detention. Which wouldn't be the kind of thing that a school would do with someone's nickname. Your friends might call you Butt Stallion, but that's not what the administration is going to call you.

So I was just asking the forum, of how the name Tommy, a fairly traditionally male name, could be turned to be a female-ish name. That I couldn't think of a way using common English names that this would make sense, like with names like Leslie, and other gender neutral names that both genders use. So I was asking, if maybe some other languages might have a female-ish name that might be bastardized, or whatever, to be Tommy. Like perhaps Tomi, which is maybe some other language, and is pronounced differently, but nobody in the US ever gets it right, so the girl has just learned to live with the name. It was meant to just be a general discussion about language, and naming conventions in the world. Silly me, thinking it would stick to that when discussing something on this site. *le sigh*

Well, like I said, I imagine they'll come up with a reason.
Hey, if you wanna discuss naming conventions, I think it's kinda fucked up that we all collectively accept naming a child Tommy "because maybe her parents wanted a boy" rather than "because names are made up and gender performance is mostly made-up".
Like, maybe her parents just liked the name Tommy.
I used to know someone whose middle name was Rainbow. It's not that weird to consider that maybe people just call their kids things because why not.

 

[happyninja42]

Well, like I said, I imagine they'll come up with a reason.
Hey, if you wanna discuss naming conventions, I think it's kinda fucked up that we all collectively accept naming a child Tommy "because maybe her parents wanted a boy" rather than "because names are made up and gender performance is mostly made-up".
Like, maybe her parents just liked the name Tommy.
I used to know someone whose middle name was Rainbow. It's not that weird to consider that maybe people just call their kids things because why not.

Oh I know. Believe me. I know a person that is a client at my office, who's first name is Arrogance. Not even kidding. I have no idea if it's her birth name, or if she changed her name to that for some weird reason. But her legal name, is Arrogance.

And sure, like I said before, it could just be "because so". I just assumed they might try to be a bit more clever with it, and actually come up with something else, for example, the mispronouncing of a name from another naming convention. Hell I'd be fine with "My mom was so fucked up after pushing me out, that she mumbled Connie, but the nurse heard Tommy, and put it down on the form." But I don't consider that all that clever. Sure, it's acceptable, and so is "They like the name Tommy", I'm not saying those are invalid reasons, I was just curious about other ways they might explain it.

But it doesn't really matter either way. It's just, or was, an idle curiosity.

 

[PingPongCall]

I'd like to think they'd be a bit more clever than that

... the fucking Power Rangers?

This guy gets it.

 

[PingPongCall]

Can anyone here explain to me how this went from a simple question about the Green Ranger, to a convo about SJW behavior and something about Gender profiling?

I'm only asking because I can't quite pinpoint the tipping point

 

[Parasondox]

Can anyone here explain to me how this went from a simple question about the Green Ranger, to a convo about SJW behavior and something about Gender profiling?

I'm only asking because I can't quite pinpoint the tipping point

I will give you a heads up cause I see you don't post much here but that happens a lot. You can be talking about puppies and blueberry ice cream and somehow it turns into how the far left loves sjw's want to kill Nathan Drake. It just one person to bring up something not linked to the topic, for it to become a 10 page discussion about something else unrelated.

 

[PingPongCall]

Can anyone here explain to me how this went from a simple question about the Green Ranger, to a convo about SJW behavior and something about Gender profiling?

I'm only asking because I can't quite pinpoint the tipping point

I will give you a heads up cause I see you don't post much here but that happens a lot. You can be talking about puppies and blueberry ice cream and somehow it turns into how the far left loves sjw's want to kill Nathan Drake. It just one person to bring up something not linked to the topic, for it to become a 10 page discussion about something else unrelated.

You are correct, I don't post here much because I don't care much for social interaction. Given your explanation of what's happened here... Pretty sure I'll stay my course on that one. I thank you for your explanation and will now return to my life of mediocrity.

 

[kenu12345]

It's not a rumour, it's just another character who has become victim of the "white males cannot exist in media, so they all need to change" types who are a cancer that after Ghostbusters will likely not be listened to by anyone putting up their money on these projects.

There's no chance of it happening.

They probably won't change it, but by the lord are you just like a walking stereotype or what? Please tell me you are just joking around instead of being this stereotypical

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

See, that's half the reason this problem isn't going away any time soon: so many people don't even understand the problem. I don't care about diversity either for or against, what I care is when diversity is used to the determent of the product, and I don't even need to list off the examples of that happening given how often we've talked about them here.

You want diversity? Fine, but don't take a steaming dump on the product while you're at it like Marvel Comics can't stop doing.

Forgive me for having to respond to you. You're taking the absolute lionshare of this side of the argument. Even if I want to get a point across, I feel like I'm piling on. And for that, I do apologize.

But after reading this part of this response, I have to say that I finally got a chance to see another side of you. And point out that this point ironically points out the problem that... whatever the anti-sjw, anti-pc faction is called... is facing.

What is important to any discourse isn't the message, or the truth at the center of it. If that was the case, all people would have to do is see a message or truth and the meaning would be grasped so innately that no one would have to even discuss it. A circle is a circle. Dark is the absence of Light. Ninjas always ruled over pirates.

But it's how we present the message that makes or breaks it. You say that so many people don't even understand the problem. I ask if the problem was ever presented in a manner that a discussion about it could be had?

For example. If I started this whole conversation in ebonics, while my message would have been the same, Any perception of "What kind of person speaks in Ebonics?" the reader might have would color every bit of what my message actually meant to them. While I could have been saying every person deserves the same representation and ability to be seen in a respectful light, the ebonics that housed the message could have ranged the perception of the reader from "Wow, this guy may have a point if he didn't speak so stupidly" to "Of course he thinks that way. He's a minority and he's just trying to get special treatment" to even "Fucking [Insert Racial Epithet here]".

The same goes for your flagrant use of "SJW" and "PC" terms. It shuts down certain minds. When you speak in code, it's a clear sign of who you are and the point you represent even before you get to your actual message. If my screenname is "PC Is the Only Mindset", how much of what I say will be prejudged by people who hate the idea of SJW culture or PC movement?

The simple amount of aggression that most people receive from those others who throw around "SJW" and "PC" everywhere is what causes people 'not to understand'. If aggression is perceived, aggression is usually the response. It's impossible to ask of others to see past how one delivers a viewpoint to get to the root of the truth of the message, likewise is it a detriment to said message as there might be some good talking points we have to consider.

Simply put, anyone who is for PC does need to think about white straight males as much as they think about everyone else. PC is not supposed to be excluding the white race. It's just supposed to be about every human deserves equal chance, equal say, equal opportunity to succeed or fuck up, and equal shit taking for any fuck ups they commit. And it should never be anything more than that.

 

[Creator002]

I remember hearing the name Tamika (spelling?). I can see that being nicknamedeveloped Tommy. Mean or otherwise.