goodman528" post="18.82883.1144795 said:I know very little of Chinese or English history. But it really scares me when most of the people I talk to knows much less than I do.
Also I think of history not as "history" but more as propaganda...quote]
I agree with what you mean, but on the other hand China activly engages in the manipulation of education and propeaganda to support their ideaology and i'm not saying that just because i'm British, i'm an ex-communist socialist with communist ideals and an appreciation for capitalism and an adoring unreasonable love for sickles and anvils. But let's face it, never trust anything a one party state churns out of it's govrnment bodies.
And as a minor note I know of the Opium wars and would happily admit that it's our, and by that I mean my Britains, fault, or at least the East Indian Trading Company.
Well, there was the small matter of William having a legitimate claim to throne and being promised it by the previous saxon king. Most medieval wars were more about royal succession rather than 1 country invading another [/sweeping generalisation]. Since European royal lines were so inbred everyone had some sort of claim to everyone elses throne [/hyperbole]Steven Kyzburg said:And dam those Normans... invading a country for no real reason and subjugating it's citizens!
Yes I completely agree with you for most of that. but in my own pedantic fashion, I should point out that I did not think at all you were talking about immigrants, I was more thinking along the lines that non British people might or might not use the slang term yob and thought I'd try and suggest an alternative in the word "idiot".Steven Kyzburg said:Here here my good man! Although I have one or two reas to pick at which I shall do so in my usual pedantic fashion...tomdavi said:I like that, it's a good summary, if brief on British history. But why do we Brits always put such a downer on it all (it was so much better then, now it's all terrible). Yes our history was cool (ethically questionable at times, but cool), and that is the reason we are a rich influential nation now. I'm not directing all this at you but lots seem to think like this. You say yobs (idiots or other generic term of abuse, for non British people), are abundant now. Look back real hard at the industrial revolution. the only difference then was that people like you were working alongside them for horrendous wages in poor conditions, and remembering how much better it was when you'd lived on a farm.
And from that rambling, inconsistent and dubiously topical dialogue, I'll give you my conclusion. Britain (without sounding too arrogant) has massively influenced world history, and still is in many ways. We, or settlers originating from these isles, have had major effects on so many nations already mentioned here (good or bad), from America and Canada, to Australia, India and Hong Kong.
Firstly, we always put a downer on it because it's what we do best! No one can ridicule the British than ourselves, is a trade mark of our humour, even in the height of our power we used to make jokes about ourselves (admitedly from a position of smug superiority)
Yes our history was "cool" as you put it, like the Third Reich... only spread over several centuries... cool uniforms but terrible foregn relations when it came to dealing with our "subjects".
Most importantly, this made me laugh, I did not use "yobs" to describe the immigrants present here, I could certainy embark on that topic but i'd rather not. When I speak of yobs I speak of my own degenerate generation! Home grown! The chav for those of you who are British, those people will be the death of everyone including themselves given their affinity for sharp pointy objects...
Aside from that I agree with you certainly, Not-So-Great Britain with it's glourious past and not so glourious future generation once ruled the waves and a quarter of the globe!
Now our empire consists of B.T, the manufacture of life boats and a small carpark.
You are completely right of course... but... um... *thinks of something to avoid any oppertunity for the French to be "not-wrong"*... um...scumofsociety said:Well, there was the small matter of William having a legitimate claim to throne and being promised it by the previous saxon king. Most medieval wars were more about royal succession rather than 1 country invading another [/sweeping generalisation]. Since European royal lines were so inbred everyone had some sort of claim to everyone elses throne [/hyperbole]
Hey we've had are high points eg when we owned more of france than the french king. Until the next king lost all of it except for Calais... What a dick.Nexus Zef said:I know that my country owned 25% of the world at one point the lost the bloody lot for some reason and now everyone craves dissapointment, accepting how utterly useless we have become =) Plus at one point we were ruled by the French, that has to be a low point for any country.
Good old England.
For shame sir. For shame! It was the Normans (in a completely unfair fight) who controlled Britain for a time. Though in close proximity to France and being hard to tell apart from the French, they were descendants of Vikings. So that makes it a little better. That and the fact that our King at the time raced his army up North to fight off the Vikings, then charged way down South and decided to not wait for reinforcements. Instead he decided to meet the Normans before they reached London. And the English still almost won, even with a tired and battered army. But that was 1000 years ago. Who's successfully invaded our country since then?Nexus Zef said:Plus at one point we were ruled by the French, that has to be a low point for any country.
i met some guy who claimed that the states never lost one single battle in the war of 1812 and that washington was not burned down. i pointed out a few battles that they did lose, including detroit being taken without a shot, he got really upset with me and denied most of itRajin Cajun said:Oh there is no doubt about it hence why I was all inclusive with my "crazy views of history" I have heard some rather bizarre tales from people who spout their nonsense as fact.rossatdi said:Most Americans I've met have a pretty crazy view of their own history! (Lived in Ohio for a year).Rajin Cajun said:Maybe it is just the people I have happened to talk to but there are some very crazy views of America's History.![]()
Sure thing...they controlled England, not Britain and the Anglo Saxons almost won...but I get the feeling I've said this already.Blandman said:For shame sir. For shame! It was the Normans (in a completely unfair fight) who controlled Britain for a time. Though in close proximity to France and being hard to tell apart from the French, they were descendants of Vikings. So that makes it a little better. That and the fact that our King at the time raced his army up North to fight off the Vikings, then charged way down South and decided to not wait for reinforcements. Instead he decided to meet the Normans before they reached London. And the English still almost won, even with a tired and battered army. But that was 1000 years ago. Who's successfully invaded our country since then?
Feel free to correct me on anything you believe I have got wrong.
Don't worry I know people who think WWI started in 1917.cleverlymadeup said:i met some guy who claimed that the states never lost one single battle in the war of 1812 and that washington was not burned down. i pointed out a few battles that they did lose, including detroit being taken without a shot, he got really upset with me and denied most of itRajin Cajun said:Oh there is no doubt about it hence why I was all inclusive with my "crazy views of history" I have heard some rather bizarre tales from people who spout their nonsense as fact.rossatdi said:Most Americans I've met have a pretty crazy view of their own history! (Lived in Ohio for a year).Rajin Cajun said:Maybe it is just the people I have happened to talk to but there are some very crazy views of America's History.![]()
So, are you Serbian or Austrian?Vlane said:I don't know enough about my country but I do know that the WWI started because of us.
I've wondered, what does the school system in the US say in regards to the starting date of WW2?samsprinkle said:I am somewhat of a WWII buff...don't claim to know everything but it interest me alot...