How the hell is this fair?!?

[mixmastermind]

Three main reasons, really:
1)The man was crazy and thus not in control of his actions.
2)Heroine's a fucked up scene, man.
3)America's drug laws are pants-on-head retarded.

 

[AceDiamond]

Three main reasons, really:
1)The man was crazy and thus not in control of his actions.

Immaterial. Stalin had schizophrenia and therefore that means if we had somehow managed to bring him to trial for crimes against humanity he could've beaten the rap under this logic, because that's exactly what Vince Li (the person who did said stabbing and beheading) was suffering from. Think about that for a moment. Plus even better just because you say you heard voices from God telling you to stab, defile, cannibalize and dismember a person doesn't prove anything. As a person who has psychological disorders in his own family I have to say that really, the science of the mind is very inexact at best and I do not believe for a second this man was as crazy as they said he was.

2)Heroine's a fucked up scene, man.
3)America's drug laws are pants-on-head retarded.

True and also true. Mostly because a lot of times funding gets shunted to going after the less problematic drugs (marijuana) while not giving enough attention to the real problem makers like herion or cocaine. And the less said about the fact that most of the world sees little problems with tobacco being legal the better.

 

[RagnorakTres]

My best mate got sent to juvenile hall for possesion of marijuana, the world is a fucked up place. Kill it with fire.

How is this not justified?

First time offense and it was less than 1g.

Doesn't matter. He was still violating the law. Your friend should have been aware of the consequences when he bought those drugs.

Of course, whether marijuana should be illegal in the first place is a whole 'nother discussion. One I'm sure we've all heard before. IK, you are one-haundered percent correct, if you cannot avoid the consequences of your actions and are not willing to submit to them, do not take those actions.

Which is why I never carried pot, even back when I smoked. Period.

(Though, in my opinion, juvie is a little harsh for a first offense of less than a gram.)

OT: Like I said above (albeit this is more succinct): If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. The guy in Canada...well, most of Canada is French. What d'you expect? (KIDDING.) Your cousin...that sucks. Not much can be done, though, because the US's legal system is such that a single person with a bone to pick can get some really bad shit done to relatively innocent people. (Though I agree with mixmastermind: Heroine's a fucked up scene.)

 

[Rombauer]

The world is fucked.

This has been true for at least 100 years

 

[gbemery]

That isn't a fair comparison I believe the guy on the bus committed the crime in Canada and was tried in Canada as compared to the 2nd situation of a guy caught in America and tried in America. Two different justice systems.

 

[Bat Vader]

Situation 1: If the person just snapped and did it without any real intent to do so I can understand the insanity charge.

Situation 2: There must be some more details there that you and us do not know about. Nobody gets deported for doing drugs. Perhaps selling many of them could warrant a deportation.

 

[mixmastermind]

Immaterial. Stalin had schizophrenia and therefore that means if we had somehow managed to bring him to trial for crimes against humanity he could've beaten the rap under this logic, because that's exactly what Vince Li (the person who did said stabbing and beheading) was suffering from.

Where did you learn that Stalin was schizophrenic? I've never heard or read anything other than slight speculation on the subject.

This has been true for at least 100 years

This has been true since the first two species to evolve fought over seaweed.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

Well he chose to do the drug, I know it seems extreme but maybe being extreme is the only way to get the message through to illegal drug users.

 

[Internet Kraken]

I get the impression that you're not telling us the full story. Though maybe you can get deported for having heroin.

However, situation 1 has nothing to do with your cousin's situation. They are 2 different and separate crimes. Just because that criminals punishment may have been far more lenient does not mean your cousin should not face the consequences for his actions.

My best mate got sent to juvenile hall for possesion of marijuana, the world is a fucked up place. Kill it with fire.

How is this not justified?

And as on the greyhound bus, What the hell!? That guy should be institutionalized or thrown in prison. If it happened once and you let him go he'll only do it again until we realize he is a crazy mofo. Therapy doesn't work all the time.

I'm going to assume that the qualified professionals know more about that man and his status than us, and made the right decision accordingly.

First time offense and it was less than 1g.

Doesn't matter. He was still violating the law. Your friend should have been aware of the consequences when he bought those drugs.

And the law is a big strong daddy, never to be questioned? Wether or not marijuana should be illegal is another argument entirely but mindlessly doing what the government tells you, without thinking for yourself, is just plain fucking moronic. What people put in their own body is their own business, at least until the stage when it seems likely they will hurt somebody. The government has no place punishing a kid for that.

It's against the law. The kid knew that, he bought the drugs anyways, and he faced the consequences.

Whether or not possession of marijuana should be illegal does not matter here. Point is, he broke the law and was punished accordingly. What is your problem with this?

 

[Caligulove]

damn. Not that heroin is something I condone or anything, but I would expect something like drug rehab or some counselling before they just throw him out of the country. But then, a lot of the stuff on drug law is kinda bullshit

 

[Internet Kraken]

That he was punished to a massive excess.
And punished for breaking a law that, when thought about logically, probably shouldn't exist.

But your opinion on the law doesn't change the fact that he still broke the law. Personally I think the punishment was excessive as well. But I still think that so long as the law exists people should still be punished for violating it.

 

[Brad Shepard]

The world is fucked.

this all over, the world isent fair

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Your cousin is not insane?

 

[Internet Kraken]

That he was punished to a massive excess.
And punished for breaking a law that, when thought about logically, probably shouldn't exist.

But your opinion on the law doesn't change the fact that he still broke the law. Personally I think the punishment was excessive as well. But I still think that so long as the law exists people should still be punished for violating it.

I agree with you there. While the law exists people should be punished for breaking it. I do not, however, think that laws should go unquestioned. They aren't put in place by all knowing demi-gods. Just people, like us.

Of course laws should be questioned. It's just that under most circumstances you should not question the law by violating it.

 

[StriderShinryu]

I don't think anyone was happy about what happened with the Greyhound incident.

And I find it humourous that the police are being blamed. The police are on the front lines dealing with a lot of garbage that most of us will never experience, but they are certainly fallible. If they get a call to deal with something they deal with it to the best of their abilities and sometimes mistakes are made. However, once someone is brought in for whatever reason and charges are in place the police officers have little to do with it, particularly once sentencing is involved.