How would gay marriage affect your life?

[Thaliur]

I don't want to discuss the topic of gay marriage itself, there are plenty of threads that have done that. I just want to know: How would gay marriage affect your life?

Gay marriage would definitely affect my life. My girlfriend's mother plans to get married some time next year (it's already allowed here)

 

[JordanMillward_1]

ShadowsofHope, I'm totally with you on this.
Just a bit of backstory, I've discussed (A little bit, then the rest of the forum did it for me) hoosexuality with Hashime.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.234029-Homosexuality?page=7#8276743

He thinks being gay is a mental illness and it screws up kids.
Good luck talking to him

Dear God, he must be a time traveller from the 1950s, because his bullshit about it being a mental disorder has been accepted as wrong by professionals for decades now.

 

[cp2u]

In canada Gay marriage is legal and I really don't see any difference in my life.

 

[101flyboy]

It would make me happy to see my friends finally have the opportunity to have equality under the law in this respect.

 

[101flyboy]

No problems at all, as long as the law treats them the same. Not so much marriage as the kid thing. If two gay/lesbians have a kid then one is the biological mum/dad. The fact the other is not a biological parent means that when they leave that relationship they have no legal responsibility for that kid. Now i want that changed. I personally dont think they should have kids because the life they have means that they cant not produce kids with their partner. But if the law says they can, then they both have to be responsible for the kids upbringing regardless if they are the biological parent or not.

"I personally don't think they should have kids because the life they have means they can't not produce kids with their partner."

I personally believe sterile couples should not have kids, because the life they have means they can't produce kids with their partner.

 

[101flyboy]

GAYS ARE ALREADY FUCKING ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED.

And with no government intervention to boot! LUCKY. FUCKING. BASTARDS.

Making it into a government institution, however? Tons of cons. Read an article on it by Michael Medved. He can explain way better than ANYONE on the Right. Much of the Right, unfortunately, tends to be fucking retarded in making the case when they DO have a good motherfucking point.

The fact you or anyone else "on the right" think there is a case to be had of being against same-sex marriage actually automatically means you have no point to be made whatsoever. Since that position is inherently wrong and ridiculous.

 

[Mailman]

I'd have no problems with it. That's all I have to say about that.

But seriously, if two folks feel that they love each other enough spend the rest of their lives together, then I say go for it. I never understood the big deal about it.

 

[jack583]

i don't agree with gay marrage, and i have several reason why it is wrong.
but i respect the choices of others because only they have the right to choose how they live.
anyone who tries to take away that right is no better then hittler.
but i do advise that people who choose to be gay should fully consider his or her actions.
they might be able to find what they are looking for while still being strait.
so i recomend that the strait should try to understand the reasons a person chooses to be gay, but only if you are concerned for that person.

do not fight them, EDUCATE them.
make sure that they know what they are getting themselves into and why they want to.

You're talking about education of gay people when you're saying it's a choice? Learn some fucking science. You're born with your sexuality, whether mostly straight, mostly gay, or a little bit of both. When did you choose to be straight?

By being gay I'm not "getting myself into anything." It's not dangerous unless you count the unwarranted discrimination.

i'm saying you have the choice but you should be sure that you are making the right choice.
people will find any excuse to do what they think is "right".
i don't care if you are strait or gay, and i never said it was dangerous.
but you should not do somehing unless you know all the facts.
and as for science: two humans males cannot reproduce together, nor can two females. therefore, how is it logical to for two people of the same gender to be "more then friends"?

 

[Lieju]

My mom has used your country as an example of why gays shouldn't marry. Supposedly you guys have the lowest marriage rate or something. Mind expanding on those points so I have some ammo or something next time? I mean it's plainly obvious to me that society doesn't run on marriage rates, but do you see anything regarding a low marriage rate and how that may have affected anything in the people around you? Something as subtle as "broken homes" that don't put out bad people?

I'm just grasping for straws here. I really don't know what to suggest to look for that lack of marriage could change things for the worse while still having a happy, running society.

You could ask her how more people being able to get married is going to be a threat to marriage. And even if it would mean there are less straight marriages, why would that be a bad thing? It's not like we are dying out as a species, and gay families have children too.
In any case, yearly changes in marriage rates in my country can be big, but in general, the amount of straight marriages is on the rise, while the divorce-rate has stayed the same.

http://www.stat.fi/til/ssaaty/2009/ssaaty_2009_2010-05-06_tie_001_fi_001.gif
Source: the Finnish Statistical Institute.
In that picture the pink thing is the amount of marriages, and the blue divorces. In 1988 the law changed, and getting a divorce became much easier, which explains the rise there.
The gays have much smaller rate of divorce, but when the time passes, they are bound to rise closer to the straight marriage divorce rates.

So gays being able to get into a civil union hasn't caused or coincided with any meaningful changes in marriage/divorce-rates. (In fact, the divorce rate has gone down, and the marriage rate up).

However, Finland is quite high on the rate of divorce in general, and has been for quite some time. The reasons for this are bound to be complex and not easy to understand. One article written by a sociologist I recently read indicated that this might be because the young Finnish people have a very romantical ideal of a relationship; they get married soon, since they think "this is the one", and then when the problems arise, they rather get divorced than work on the relationship, since they have an idealised image of romance. But I don't really know if the Finns are any different in this than other Europeans.

 

[101flyboy]

Can I ask what the point of posting in this topic is if you're just going to say the exact same thing as everyone else? Just look at all the answers on the first page. Good grief. You'd think that one guy had ten accounts or something.

Might as well drop the controversy bomb here and make a different post:
You ask what gay marriage being legalized would do to affect my life.
Can I ask what eliminating the drinking age would do to affect your life if you were over 21?
Can I ask what eliminating all the drug bans would do if you don't take any of them?
Can I ask what legalizing abuse of females would do if you're a male?
Can I ask what abolishing the speed limit would do if you had no license, or walked/biked/etc. to work instead?
Can I ask what making meat illegal would do if you were already a vegetarian?
Can I ask what legalizing pedophilia and child abuse would do to you if you were an adult?

If you say "nothing" to all of the above but STILL found the concepts more than objectionable, you now know that just because homosexuality does NOT affect heterosexuals, does not mean they cannot find it against their own ethics/morals/opinions/whatever.

I agree with your post 100% sir.

I disagree. All the things listed are damaging people who don't choose to be involved. Gays aren't forcing me to attend their weddings and their weddings do not negatively impact on my life in the same way as drunks, druggies, rapists, car accidents and paedophiles.

The only similar one is the meat one and that is in fact arguing for gay marriage rather than against.

If you aren't around drunks, druggies, rapists, or pedophiles then would it? Regardless your ethics and morals still are affected, You can disagree all you want and I'll agree all I want. I have friends that are homosexual and I agree they should have equal rights however that doesn't mean that I'm completely comfortable around them or comfortable watching say two guys or two women kissing or holding hands. It bothers me to my very core. I still support my friends decision because they are my friends and I respect them however I don't have to like the lifestyle. I have friends that smoke and do drugs and I support them for their decisions because it is their decision. This is no different. Its the way that my morals are, the way that my mind works and the way that I am. If I'm to be discriminated against for the way I am which isn't harming anyone then why can't a homosexual couple discriminated against for the very same reason.

Because your "morals" are harming others by condemning individuals for who they are, and your "discomfort" around gay people is ridiculous. If you have discomfort around a human being simply for who that human being is, you are irrational in your way of thinking. What anti-gays like you fail to grasp is, not all positions are equally valid. Just like the KKK v human rights groups. Well, the same thing applies here. You basically are saying you believe what you believe, just because you believe it. I disagree with homosexuality, because it makes me feel icky. That is illogical, and, once again, irrational in it's core. Comparing something harmful like smoking to homosexuality, which in no way is harmful in any way, is illogical. You have absolutely no principals or justification. Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle, it's a sexual attraction, and unless you can come up with a PRINCIPLED reason as to why you are "against the lifestyle", then that shows us all you don't have any reason whatsoever. Using talking points like my morals say ___________ is simply empty rhetoric. If you have gay friends, you either support them for who they are, or you don't, and you don't. No-one is discriminating against you. You CHOOSE to hold a view point that more and more people recognize is bigoted. Well, there are consequences for that. Same-sex couples are legal couples protected by the constitution from discrimination, and they are not actually believing or doing things actively against others, like you are. So, please, stop playing the victim card, you aren't one. You made your bed. Now, you have to lay in it.

 

[mplantinga]

i don't agree with gay marrage, and i have several reason why it is wrong.
but i respect the choices of others because only they have the right to choose how they live.
anyone who tries to take away that right is no better then hittler.
but i do advise that people who choose to be gay should fully consider his or her actions.
they might be able to find what they are looking for while still being strait.
so i recomend that the strait should try to understand the reasons a person chooses to be gay, but only if you are concerned for that person.

do not fight them, EDUCATE them.
make sure that they know what they are getting themselves into and why they want to.

You're talking about education of gay people when you're saying it's a choice? Learn some fucking science. You're born with your sexuality, whether mostly straight, mostly gay, or a little bit of both. When did you choose to be straight?

By being gay I'm not "getting myself into anything." It's not dangerous unless you count the unwarranted discrimination.

i'm saying you have the choice but you should be sure that you are making the right choice.
people will find any excuse to do what they think is "right".
i don't care if you are strait or gay, and i never said it was dangerous.
but you should not do somehing unless you know all the facts.
and as for science: two humans males cannot reproduce together, nor can two females. therefore, how is it logical to for two people of the same gender to be "more then friends"?

Because sex does not exist only for procreation.

OT: If it were legal, I could finally get married. This would make it so much easier to gain access to the same legal rights/priveleges that married couples take for granted, like the ability to make medical/financial decisions when necessary.

 

[101flyboy]

i don't agree with gay marrage, and i have several reason why it is wrong.
but i respect the choices of others because only they have the right to choose how they live.
anyone who tries to take away that right is no better then hittler.
but i do advise that people who choose to be gay should fully consider his or her actions.
they might be able to find what they are looking for while still being strait.
so i recomend that the strait should try to understand the reasons a person chooses to be gay, but only if you are concerned for that person.

do not fight them, EDUCATE them.
make sure that they know what they are getting themselves into and why they want to.

You're talking about education of gay people when you're saying it's a choice? Learn some fucking science. You're born with your sexuality, whether mostly straight, mostly gay, or a little bit of both. When did you choose to be straight?

By being gay I'm not "getting myself into anything." It's not dangerous unless you count the unwarranted discrimination.

i'm saying you have the choice but you should be sure that you are making the right choice.
people will find any excuse to do what they think is "right".
i don't care if you are strait or gay, and i never said it was dangerous.
but you should not do somehing unless you know all the facts.
and as for science: two humans males cannot reproduce together, nor can two females. therefore, how is it logical to for two people of the same gender to be "more then friends"?

You have zero reasons why same-sex marriage is wrong. You have nothing. Let's look at the Prop 8 debate. Why is the pro-Prop 8 crowd being destroyed in the courts? It's because there are ZERO logical reasons to be anti-gay whatsoever.

Procreation? Really? Interesting. Did you know babies aren't even a top 10 reason why people have sex? Homosexuality is rampant in nature, why is that? I mean, does Mother Nature make mistakes? I don't think so.

No-one is making excuses, or needing justification, for an absolute non-issue. Sexual orientation isn't a choice. It isn't a negative. It's not how one defines their life. Being gay is not an action, it's a sexual attraction, and guess what, what "they" are looking for and getting themselves into is a same-sex mate and relationships, because they are NOT STRAIGHT. No-one becomes straight or leaves heterosexuality. Gay people are gay. And that's the facts. The only person here clearly needing to be educated is you, Jack.

 

[Harbinger_]

Can I ask what the point of posting in this topic is if you're just going to say the exact same thing as everyone else? Just look at all the answers on the first page. Good grief. You'd think that one guy had ten accounts or something.

Might as well drop the controversy bomb here and make a different post:
You ask what gay marriage being legalized would do to affect my life.
Can I ask what eliminating the drinking age would do to affect your life if you were over 21?
Can I ask what eliminating all the drug bans would do if you don't take any of them?
Can I ask what legalizing abuse of females would do if you're a male?
Can I ask what abolishing the speed limit would do if you had no license, or walked/biked/etc. to work instead?
Can I ask what making meat illegal would do if you were already a vegetarian?
Can I ask what legalizing pedophilia and child abuse would do to you if you were an adult?

If you say "nothing" to all of the above but STILL found the concepts more than objectionable, you now know that just because homosexuality does NOT affect heterosexuals, does not mean they cannot find it against their own ethics/morals/opinions/whatever.

I agree with your post 100% sir.

I disagree. All the things listed are damaging people who don't choose to be involved. Gays aren't forcing me to attend their weddings and their weddings do not negatively impact on my life in the same way as drunks, druggies, rapists, car accidents and paedophiles.

The only similar one is the meat one and that is in fact arguing for gay marriage rather than against.

If you aren't around drunks, druggies, rapists, or pedophiles then would it? Regardless your ethics and morals still are affected, You can disagree all you want and I'll agree all I want. I have friends that are homosexual and I agree they should have equal rights however that doesn't mean that I'm completely comfortable around them or comfortable watching say two guys or two women kissing or holding hands. It bothers me to my very core. I still support my friends decision because they are my friends and I respect them however I don't have to like the lifestyle. I have friends that smoke and do drugs and I support them for their decisions because it is their decision. This is no different. Its the way that my morals are, the way that my mind works and the way that I am. If I'm to be discriminated against for the way I am which isn't harming anyone then why can't a homosexual couple discriminated against for the very same reason.

Because your "morals" are harming others by condemning individuals for who they are, and your "discomfort" around gay people is ridiculous. If you have discomfort around a human being simply for who that human being is, you are irrational in your way of thinking. What anti-gays like you fail to grasp is, not all positions are equally valid. Just like the KKK v human rights groups. Well, the same thing applies here. You basically are saying you believe what you believe, just because you believe it. I disagree with homosexuality, because it makes me feel icky. That is illogical, and, once again, irrational in it's core. Comparing something harmful like smoking to homosexuality, which in no way is harmful in any way, is illogical. You have absolutely no principals or justification. Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle, it's a sexual attraction, and unless you can come up with a PRINCIPLED reason as to why you are "against the lifestyle", then that shows us all you don't have any reason whatsoever. Using talking points like my morals say ___________ is simply empty rhetoric. If you have gay friends, you either support them for who they are, or you don't, and you don't. No-one is discriminating against you. You CHOOSE to hold a view point that more and more people recognize is bigoted. Well, there are consequences for that. Same-sex couples are legal couples protected by the constitution from discrimination, and they are not actually believing or doing things actively against others, like you are. So, please, stop playing the victim card, you aren't one. You made your bed. Now, you have to lay in it.

I follow a specific religion and even without that religion my morals and how I feel deem it as disgusting whether other people might deem it as attractive or not. If that is illogical then beauty is also illogical is it not? It's called the human condition. You know nothing about me. You want me to stop playing the victim card? I was molested as a child by homosexuals. I find what they do disgusting. I have friends that are homosexual and I accept that they are the way they are but that doesn't mean that I have to like what they do. I have friends that do cocaine and I accept them for what they do and who they are but I don't like what they do. It's not bigotry to simply say I don't like this but if you do then thats fine for you. Yes they should have equal rights. I agree that they should but under no circumstances should I have to shut up about something I don't enjoy just to make someone feel more comfortable about themselves. That is illogical. If you want to continue to spew empty rhetoric then go ahead. There are no consequences for someone simply voicing their opinion and if there are then by all means proceed with your threats sir because thats exactly what they are and I will not take them any more. Yes they are couples under law but that doesn't make them any more or any less free from discrimination than you or I. I don't proceed in anti-homosexual rallys or yell from the rooftops that they need to go back and live in their closests. I don't want to see two men kissing or two women for that matter. I find it obscene. I also think it's disgusting to see a man and a woman kissing in public. It's not appropriate behaviour whether to happen by it across the street or having it shoved down your throat by your public newscast. I voice my concerns in debate on the internet. If there is a homosexual flirting with me I tell them simply I'm not comfortable with this and I walk away. You're sold on the fact that I am some sort of bigot and nothing I can do will change that fact because as many people have already explained arguing on the internet is pointless. If you want to think that you've 'won' then the only thing you have won is an additional wing on an already inflated ego.

 

[101flyboy]

Can I ask what the point of posting in this topic is if you're just going to say the exact same thing as everyone else? Just look at all the answers on the first page. Good grief. You'd think that one guy had ten accounts or something.

Might as well drop the controversy bomb here and make a different post:
You ask what gay marriage being legalized would do to affect my life.
Can I ask what eliminating the drinking age would do to affect your life if you were over 21?
Can I ask what eliminating all the drug bans would do if you don't take any of them?
Can I ask what legalizing abuse of females would do if you're a male?
Can I ask what abolishing the speed limit would do if you had no license, or walked/biked/etc. to work instead?
Can I ask what making meat illegal would do if you were already a vegetarian?
Can I ask what legalizing pedophilia and child abuse would do to you if you were an adult?

If you say "nothing" to all of the above but STILL found the concepts more than objectionable, you now know that just because homosexuality does NOT affect heterosexuals, does not mean they cannot find it against their own ethics/morals/opinions/whatever.

Homosexuality is not a negative in any way whatsoever inherently, so none of these analogies actually fit in this discussion. The things you listed actually can/would affect society as a whole negatively, one way or another. Same-sex marriage doesn't do that.

Next.

 

[Ildecia]

i know a bunch of gay people; and they would be a whole lot happier if they could get maried, and apart form that, nothing would change in my life really.

 

[Sexbad]

i don't agree with gay marrage, and i have several reason why it is wrong.
but i respect the choices of others because only they have the right to choose how they live.
anyone who tries to take away that right is no better then hittler.
but i do advise that people who choose to be gay should fully consider his or her actions.
they might be able to find what they are looking for while still being strait.
so i recomend that the strait should try to understand the reasons a person chooses to be gay, but only if you are concerned for that person.

do not fight them, EDUCATE them.
make sure that they know what they are getting themselves into and why they want to.

You're talking about education of gay people when you're saying it's a choice? Learn some fucking science. You're born with your sexuality, whether mostly straight, mostly gay, or a little bit of both. When did you choose to be straight?

By being gay I'm not "getting myself into anything." It's not dangerous unless you count the unwarranted discrimination.

i'm saying you have the choice but you should be sure that you are making the right choice.
people will find any excuse to do what they think is "right".
i don't care if you are strait or gay, and i never said it was dangerous.
but you should not do somehing unless you know all the facts.
and as for science: two humans males cannot reproduce together, nor can two females. therefore, how is it logical to for two people of the same gender to be "more then friends"?

And I'm saying that you don't have the choice. So is common fucking sense. So are medical experts across America and the world, all of which have deemed that it is not a problem, it is not a choice, and it cannot be changed.

How is straight sex logical in the first place? It causes massive imbalances in hormones for both parties and relies solely on lust for a good feeling. During the act, you also have a chance of creating what is literally a parasite inside the woman's body, one that causes her some sickness and hormonal changes and saps away her strength for nine months until it comes out the same way it went in (much larger, by the way, than the original penetrative object). If choosing to have sex for the feeling, which is what most straight people who have straight sex do, is it worth the risk? No. So with gay sex, you have the good feeling and the intimacy except without the baby. Your argument is invalid.

All that counts, by the way, is not explicit. Of course you didn't say that "homosexuality is dangerous," but there were various things I can quote from you that implicitly tried to state that. For instance, "people who choose to be gay should fully consider his or her actions," or, "make sure that they know what they are getting themselves into."

Also, I know that I can't make a baby with another man, but I intend to have kids. I'll let you try to fathom that physical impossibility through your thick skull for a few seconds. Oh, wait, adoption!

 

[Sexbad]

No problems at all, as long as the law treats them the same. Not so much marriage as the kid thing. If two gay/lesbians have a kid then one is the biological mum/dad. The fact the other is not a biological parent means that when they leave that relationship they have no legal responsibility for that kid. Now i want that changed. I personally dont think they should have kids because the life they have means that they cant not produce kids with their partner. But if the law says they can, then they both have to be responsible for the kids upbringing regardless if they are the biological parent or not.

"I personally don't think they should have kids because the life they have means they can't not produce kids with their partner."

I personally believe sterile couples should not have kids, because the life they have means they can't produce kids with their partner.

Atleast the straight have the parts to make a child.

Gay people do too. Your argument is invalid.

 

[jack583]

i don't agree with gay marrage, and i have several reason why it is wrong.
but i respect the choices of others because only they have the right to choose how they live.
anyone who tries to take away that right is no better then hittler.
but i do advise that people who choose to be gay should fully consider his or her actions.
they might be able to find what they are looking for while still being strait.
so i recomend that the strait should try to understand the reasons a person chooses to be gay, but only if you are concerned for that person.

do not fight them, EDUCATE them.
make sure that they know what they are getting themselves into and why they want to.

You're talking about education of gay people when you're saying it's a choice? Learn some fucking science. You're born with your sexuality, whether mostly straight, mostly gay, or a little bit of both. When did you choose to be straight?

By being gay I'm not "getting myself into anything." It's not dangerous unless you count the unwarranted discrimination.

i'm saying you have the choice but you should be sure that you are making the right choice.
people will find any excuse to do what they think is "right".
i don't care if you are strait or gay, and i never said it was dangerous.
but you should not do somehing unless you know all the facts.
and as for science: two humans males cannot reproduce together, nor can two females. therefore, how is it logical to for two people of the same gender to be "more then friends"?

You have zero reasons why same-sex marriage is wrong. You have nothing. Let's look at the Prop 8 debate. Why is the pro-Prop 8 crowd being destroyed in the courts? It's because there are ZERO logical reasons to be anti-gay whatsoever.

Procreation? Really? Interesting. Did you know babies aren't even a top 10 reason why people have sex? Homosexuality is rampant in nature, why is that? I mean, does Mother Nature make mistakes? I don't think so.

No-one is making excuses, or needing justification, for an absolute non-issue. Sexual orientation isn't a choice. It isn't a negative. It's not how one defines their life. Being gay is not an action, it's a sexual attraction, and guess what, what "they" are looking for and getting themselves into is a same-sex mate and relationships, because they are NOT STRAIGHT. No-one becomes straight or leaves heterosexuality. Gay people are gay. And that's the facts. The only person here clearly needing to be educated is you, Jack.

you are right i don't know how gays think, and i'm very sure that very few of you even think the same way at all. everyone is different, and the only people that can teach the straite about how gays think are the gays. so why don't you try and teach people how you think instead of just yelling at anyone that shows even the slightest feelings against gays. when you yell at people they tend to not listen.
and i've already sad this twice now "i do not care if you are strait or gay"
in fact in my first post i even stated that anyone who tries to force gays from being themselves is worse the Hitler. this is because the only person that can make decisions in someones life is the person that owns that life.
i own myself and no others, i am not in charge of any others, therefore i am not allowed to decide for others.
i said that in my first post, but instead you take it as the most offencive thing ever written. i'll admit, my communication skills are not something to envy and i could have worded my first post better, so i'm sorry that my efforts to translate my thoughts into words failed.
i don't agree with being gay, but that only applies to ME, not anyone else.
i have my reasons, you have yours.

and PLEASE read this VERY CAREFULLY