The one comment that I can make is that this game feels like a Dragon Age game. There are some minor differences but this game is soooo much more like its predecessor (which I loved so that's a good thing) than say ME1 and ME2.
How's Dragon Age 2 treating you?
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Shit, is anyone actually playing this game and judging it on it's own merits instead of complaining how much it isn't DA:O?
Mind you, this is a breath of fresh air compared to the official forums. You've got fuckers over there actually threatening lawsuits over the removal of auto-attack from console play. Seriously, go have a look, it's the funniest fucking thing I've ever seen.
Herbalism: Under or unused. Fuck wasting points in crafting when your DPS can use another tactic slot. One sidequest which gave you fucking nothing for it. (Sick dwarf) Plus healing potions are plentiful and fucking cheap.
Trap-making: Fucking useless unless you were wallhacking blizzard or playing an archer, in which case you're a fucking retard in the first place. One sidequest, again, which gave you nothing. (Timid broad in Lothering)
Poison making: I never had to craft a single damn poison in the whole game. In fact so much poison dropped that I was vendor trashing half of it by the last 3rd.
Stealing: Fucking broken, not to mention never produced anything worth wasting the points on.
Survival: +damage to the least threatening class of enemy in the entire fucking game. Oh... And again, another useless sidequest.
Coercion: Lies. Coercion still shows as special dialogue options based on cunning.
Runecrafting: Thank raptor jesus that got an overhaul. Runecrafting was the most arbitrary, frustrating excuse for a coinsink in that entire expansion. I deliberately avoided the majority of the epic equipment quests because of how much runecrafting was needed.
So they cut down their broken and or useless skills and crafting, just like they said they were going to, and this is a BAD thing? Am I missing something here?
(Also, half of the QQ on this and related threads would hold a lot more weight if it wasn't prefaced by "I haven't played the game yet but according to what I've read...")
Mind you, this is a breath of fresh air compared to the official forums. You've got fuckers over there actually threatening lawsuits over the removal of auto-attack from console play. Seriously, go have a look, it's the funniest fucking thing I've ever seen.
OK Gamestop, let's look at your examples from DA:O/A.
Herbalism: Under or unused. Fuck wasting points in crafting when your DPS can use another tactic slot. One sidequest which gave you fucking nothing for it. (Sick dwarf) Plus healing potions are plentiful and fucking cheap.
Trap-making: Fucking useless unless you were wallhacking blizzard or playing an archer, in which case you're a fucking retard in the first place. One sidequest, again, which gave you nothing. (Timid broad in Lothering)
Poison making: I never had to craft a single damn poison in the whole game. In fact so much poison dropped that I was vendor trashing half of it by the last 3rd.
Stealing: Fucking broken, not to mention never produced anything worth wasting the points on.
Survival: +damage to the least threatening class of enemy in the entire fucking game. Oh... And again, another useless sidequest.
Coercion: Lies. Coercion still shows as special dialogue options based on cunning.
Runecrafting: Thank raptor jesus that got an overhaul. Runecrafting was the most arbitrary, frustrating excuse for a coinsink in that entire expansion. I deliberately avoided the majority of the epic equipment quests because of how much runecrafting was needed.
So they cut down their broken and or useless skills and crafting, just like they said they were going to, and this is a BAD thing? Am I missing something here?
(Also, half of the QQ on this and related threads would hold a lot more weight if it wasn't prefaced by "I haven't played the game yet but according to what I've read...")
Oh my god man...would you let it go already?Maraveno said:
My whole point was that the game was dumbed down. Spells WERE removed, they were. There is no denying that. Skills were also removed, you cannot deny that. I don't care if you didn't like the skills, some people did.
You don't seem to speak English very well, so I'm just going to stop replying. I have a feeling your either not comprehending everything I'm posting, or you're not able to properly say what you mean.
I have played the game quite a bit...I don't know why you're assuming that I haven't.Timmibal said:
And I don't care if you say the skills were useless to you. I and many other people used the skills in Origins. What is the point in removing something that was optional in the first place? The only reason would be to dumb down the game so casual players don't get confused and quit.
All I see is some people mad that someone doesn't like a game they do. Let it go.
Beat it. Unhappy with it. Disappointed video game companies don't believe in refunds for dissatisfied customers.
All of the maps in the game are reused at least once. Instead of having a bunch of unique areas for you to explore, you explore the same 20 or so prefabricated maps with different door layouts. The dialogue is as wordy as ever, but I find it less compelling than ME2 or the original DA, and more or less skipped through it all with little loss.
Combat was somewhat fun for a little while, but once leveling slowed down a great deal it became an endless grind against meaningless enemies that may as well have just keeled over and dropped loot when they saw you, and the occasional battle against something that took more than Backstab - Twin Strike - Assassinate to kill.
All of the maps in the game are reused at least once. Instead of having a bunch of unique areas for you to explore, you explore the same 20 or so prefabricated maps with different door layouts. The dialogue is as wordy as ever, but I find it less compelling than ME2 or the original DA, and more or less skipped through it all with little loss.
Combat was somewhat fun for a little while, but once leveling slowed down a great deal it became an endless grind against meaningless enemies that may as well have just keeled over and dropped loot when they saw you, and the occasional battle against something that took more than Backstab - Twin Strike - Assassinate to kill.
They removed complexity, removed armor customization features from allies, removed some skills, summarized the dialog options, have the entire game set in one area instead of multiple like the original, and made combat easier.....Maraveno said:
Sorry, but that is the definition of dumbing down.
I'm just going to say I've beaten it two and a half times already...so I'll let you take from that statement how much I've enjoyed it.
Also,Verric has to be one of the best characters Bioware has ever done.
Also,Verric has to be one of the best characters Bioware has ever done.
Oh, I agree 100% although the "good news" is that it's "only" a 72hr ban. But yeah, my personal opinion is that under no circumstances should a company be allowed to deny access to a game that you've purchased, and even if you've "modified" or "hacked" it, the only thing they should have the ability to do is deny access to online gameplay.Sabiancym said:
The only thing that really bothers me about Dragon Age 2 is the random unexpected game freeze. One time it happened in the middle of battle, the other time it froze as I opened a chest, and then another time while a merchant was talking to me during a quest. What is so sad about this is that all of these game freezes happened in less than an hour into the game. Seriously who ever product tested this game needs to have the living shit kicked out of them. Lazy bums!!
But aside from that I actually like the game and hope to play a lot of it over the weekend. Minus the freeze of course.
But aside from that I actually like the game and hope to play a lot of it over the weekend. Minus the freeze of course.
At first I was a little put off by the supposed "dumbing down" and the meager amount of number crunching in the game, but after a few hours it won me over entirely with the new "moral choice" system.
I still miss some of the micromanaging and loot gathering from the likes of Baldur's gate and NWN, but this might be the first time in a VERY long time (Planescape) I actually found myself role-playing my character to my will, instead of just keeping track of relationship trees and karma points. The dialogue choices feel much more believable than the usual massiah/satan dichotomy, are woven into other characters' dialogues amazingly at times, and the characters themselves feel much less one-dimensional than the usual array of stereotypes (Granted I'm only several hours into the game, and I can already see the whiny elf ***** getting on my last nerve before long).
The story was my biggest dissapointment with DA:O, so yet to see where this one goes, but so far I'm really digging the "common everyday" tale of Hawke over the "bigger than life" story of the Warden. Hope it stays that way.
I still miss some of the micromanaging and loot gathering from the likes of Baldur's gate and NWN, but this might be the first time in a VERY long time (Planescape) I actually found myself role-playing my character to my will, instead of just keeping track of relationship trees and karma points. The dialogue choices feel much more believable than the usual massiah/satan dichotomy, are woven into other characters' dialogues amazingly at times, and the characters themselves feel much less one-dimensional than the usual array of stereotypes (Granted I'm only several hours into the game, and I can already see the whiny elf ***** getting on my last nerve before long).
The story was my biggest dissapointment with DA:O, so yet to see where this one goes, but so far I'm really digging the "common everyday" tale of Hawke over the "bigger than life" story of the Warden. Hope it stays that way.
What I like:
- Combat visuals: They're fun, if a bit ridiculous at times. But ridiculous can be good.
- Personal storyline: Following just Hawke was a good idea, and I like the focus.
- Crafting systems: Like the way they've done them. Personal preference.
- Some of the characters (Varric, Isabela, Merril)
- The different accents: The Dalish's Irish accents, Sebastian's Scottish accent, etc. all make me feel like the game takes place somewhere real.
What I don't like:
- The difficulty: I'm playing on Hard. I've wiped once, and rarely lose a single character. Too easy.
- The lack of customizing other characters: It's an RPG where armor ratings and abilities actually matter. Having members of a party stuck with one set of armor doesn't make sense.
- Having to run through the same parts of the same city repeatedly: This is supposed to be a fantasy adventure, give me something else to do.
- Some of the characters: Some just seem dull to me.
- The lack of a tactical view: It's hard to set up traps when I can't tell characters to move places I want them to because a stick is in the way.
What breaks the game:
- Recycled environments: Completely ruins the immersion when eighteen different dungeons all look exactly the same as the second one you went in to.
- Kirkwall: It's a boring, bland city in the first place. The poor areas are supposed to be 'gritty', but, like Gears, that boils down to them looking brown and dirty, not like a shady back alley. And setting an entire, ten-year game in the same area is very repetitive. Likewise, for all the 'dirtiness', the environments are surprisingly sterile.
- Obvious traps/ambushes: DA:O made areas where there are going to be fights vary. In this one, whenever there's an open area you've got a 90% chance of running in to a swarm of enemies.
- Blatantly spawning enemies: They could have come running from down a hallway, or out of a 'closed' door, but instead enemies just appear on the battlefield. Shoddy work there.
- Recycled environments: It deserves mentioning twice, because it's really, really bad.
In short: 6/10. It could have been good, but it's not.
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For further discussion: PC Elitists aren't complaining because it's taking a different route, they're complaining because Bioware/EA improved the console versions at the cost of the PC versions. I play most of my Bioware games on the Xbox, but I got DA:O and DA2 specifically for PC because the series was a callback to the old days of RPGs, and Bioware stated that this was going to be a series that was going to cater to the likes of many PC gamers. So, when the company decides to change all that around, and make it very console-oriented (not just improve the console ports, mind, but focus the entire game on being for the console to the extent of taking away parts that made the PC port more enjoyable), it makes those of us who enjoyed the first one for the previous reasons feel a bit betrayed.
I loved ME and ME2, and I can't say the game is bad because it's changed. But when I feel like I was lied to by a company because they're looking for more profit, it gets on my nerves, and I'm sure a lot of others feel this way too.
- Combat visuals: They're fun, if a bit ridiculous at times. But ridiculous can be good.
- Personal storyline: Following just Hawke was a good idea, and I like the focus.
- Crafting systems: Like the way they've done them. Personal preference.
- Some of the characters (Varric, Isabela, Merril)
- The different accents: The Dalish's Irish accents, Sebastian's Scottish accent, etc. all make me feel like the game takes place somewhere real.
What I don't like:
- The difficulty: I'm playing on Hard. I've wiped once, and rarely lose a single character. Too easy.
- The lack of customizing other characters: It's an RPG where armor ratings and abilities actually matter. Having members of a party stuck with one set of armor doesn't make sense.
- Having to run through the same parts of the same city repeatedly: This is supposed to be a fantasy adventure, give me something else to do.
- Some of the characters: Some just seem dull to me.
- The lack of a tactical view: It's hard to set up traps when I can't tell characters to move places I want them to because a stick is in the way.
What breaks the game:
- Recycled environments: Completely ruins the immersion when eighteen different dungeons all look exactly the same as the second one you went in to.
- Kirkwall: It's a boring, bland city in the first place. The poor areas are supposed to be 'gritty', but, like Gears, that boils down to them looking brown and dirty, not like a shady back alley. And setting an entire, ten-year game in the same area is very repetitive. Likewise, for all the 'dirtiness', the environments are surprisingly sterile.
- Obvious traps/ambushes: DA:O made areas where there are going to be fights vary. In this one, whenever there's an open area you've got a 90% chance of running in to a swarm of enemies.
- Blatantly spawning enemies: They could have come running from down a hallway, or out of a 'closed' door, but instead enemies just appear on the battlefield. Shoddy work there.
- Recycled environments: It deserves mentioning twice, because it's really, really bad.
In short: 6/10. It could have been good, but it's not.
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For further discussion: PC Elitists aren't complaining because it's taking a different route, they're complaining because Bioware/EA improved the console versions at the cost of the PC versions. I play most of my Bioware games on the Xbox, but I got DA:O and DA2 specifically for PC because the series was a callback to the old days of RPGs, and Bioware stated that this was going to be a series that was going to cater to the likes of many PC gamers. So, when the company decides to change all that around, and make it very console-oriented (not just improve the console ports, mind, but focus the entire game on being for the console to the extent of taking away parts that made the PC port more enjoyable), it makes those of us who enjoyed the first one for the previous reasons feel a bit betrayed.
I loved ME and ME2, and I can't say the game is bad because it's changed. But when I feel like I was lied to by a company because they're looking for more profit, it gets on my nerves, and I'm sure a lot of others feel this way too.
I really do enjoy the game so far. I'm still only halfway through the first chapter, so I haven't formed any final opinions, but what I've played has me hooked and enjoying every minute, and that's really I can ask for. I dig the storytelling mechanic, I enjoy the combat and actually prefer the conversation wheel. The characters are good and despite the fact that the game takes place only in one city and it's outskirts, there is actually a lot to it.
Easily my favorite gaming experience since, well, Origins, and if it keeps going the way it is, it should surpass it. I like the story better and the world is easier to get into, though characters are a little weaker (so far), the combat is a bit over the top when it comes to the gore, and it's a bit buggy, but other than that, I'm enjoying the hell out of it.
Easily my favorite gaming experience since, well, Origins, and if it keeps going the way it is, it should surpass it. I like the story better and the world is easier to get into, though characters are a little weaker (so far), the combat is a bit over the top when it comes to the gore, and it's a bit buggy, but other than that, I'm enjoying the hell out of it.