I am against fat acceptance

[The DSM]

Fat people are great, we need someone to be slower than your self when there is a zombie invasion.

 

[Crazycat690]

This thread is stupid I say!

 

[JanatUrlich]

I'm with you dude

 

[MR T3D]

Fat people are great, we need someone to be slower than your self when there is a zombie invasion.

but when zombififed, they will take a lot more effort and ammo to cut down.
even to the head..

 

[Lord Mountbatten Reborn]

Hell if I'm going to stop making fun of fat people.

Plus, the insults just reverberate off them (oh ho, how witty of I).

And I don't like the idea of designing your child in the womb. I understand curing defects or genetic diseases, but changing things that aren't even going to become a future problem (let's just assume male and female is equal, like it's actually supposed to be) is annoying.

Then again, I dislike those futurists as well, mainly because of those "smart chips". What a horrible idea.

 

[gamefreakbsp]

Situps and pushups are the cure. LOTS of situps and pushups.

 

[Calgetorix]

I don't know anyone who was born "fat" or supposedly cursed to be overweight forever no matter what. I'm not saying it's not possible, but i've been around...never met anyone, plenty of fat people, but not cursed to be so.

I used to be really skinny, then got really fat, and now only kind of overweight, or at least unhealthy. When i got the motivation i tried diet and exercise, but when i actually gained weight after a month i was a little disheartened and altogether confused. Am I that person i've never met? Quickly realizing that's impossible, as i was once skinny, I did what most so called doomed fat people don't do.

I looked into it

I did research, looked into the variables in my life, like medication, and found that a certain medication I was on may not have been clinically recognized to have weight gain (or retention of water in my case) as a side affect, but nine out of ten testimonials on the subject claimed that they had an issue.

So I stopped taking the medicine, and what do you know? I lost fifty fucking pounds in two months...go me...

I'm not saying it was not the medication or that you did something wrong. I just want to leave a little comment (which also relates to the girl who posted about her boyfriend working out a lot):

As far as I know, muscles way more than fat. Therefore, only judging your health by looking at the weight is not really the way to go. What is important is whether you are fit in the sense you eat healthily and exercise.
Sure, you may get exhausted easier because you are carrying some extra weight or whatever. It is still better, though, than being skinny and eating jumk food all day.

 

[SmartIdiot]

Fat acceptance is wrong. Ever heard of a little thing called self control?
Gender selection is just horrifying. It's fucking about with nature and you do not do that. Why the hell can't people just be happy with the little bundle of joy they make, regardless of gender? That's as bad as discriminating against someones sexual orientation, if not worse.

 

[D-Cypher]

Rule no.1; Cardio.


I dont hate fat people at all, in the case of a zombie apocalypse/robot uprising/alien invasion they'll provide great distractions/slow moving targets/shields.

 

[GonzoGamer]

I don't mind fat people, in fact some (that don't let themselves go too much) can be quite sexy but the especially big ones can't complain when they're asked to pay for another seat. But there's a big difference between those who are a little overweight and those who are just total slobs that never move and eat whatever.
And I find that it's usually these slobs (most of whom can control it if they wanted to; there are others who are mentally ill and really can't control themselves) that get real uppity when regulations and ridicule are launched at them.

 

[omega 616]

True, I have seen a few chunky NFL and UFC fighters but they tend not to do aswell as the more athletic players.

I watch NFL almost never so I probably messed up there, but no biggy.

(Did I ever message you back, I am sure I did).

Most players that are bigger are either power players or are in positions that almost benefit from their girth. Fighters... they can go either way.
But Sumo wrestlers are always going to be on the big side!

No worries, any sport where the players aren't in constant motion are bound to have a few big guys/gals on the team.

(Actually, I don't believe you did. I'm a little sad now).

I have only seen one truly fat fighter, his tactic was to take the opposing fighter down lie on there chest and punch them in the head (with no real power) forcing the ref to stop the fight due to the other fighter not intelligently defending against the punches. Which is a bit of a cheat.

With the exception of sumo's obviously, an athletic sumo is like a weak body builder.

(I am sorry I shall message you when I get the time, I am moving flat at the moment)

 

[Nomad]

I was just about to question the point of the argumentation as a whole, since it's about something that primarily affects the fat people themselves, and not the bystanders. Imagine my surprise when I, as I was scrolling towards the reply box, noticed I had already said exactly that over a year ago. It made me chuckle, as I hadn't realized the thread was ancient before seeing myself down there. I'll settle for just reiterating my point, as it's equally relevant today as it was a year ago.

I just skimmed through most of the posts on account of me finding all arguments stated irrelevant on account of being arguments. So I'm sorry if I missed any post saying exactly what I'm about to say.

You people seem to be arguing about whether or not fat people have themselves to blame. That's completely irrelevant. If it's something they can't change, then it's the same as discriminating a cripple. If it's a "choice", then it's the same as discriminating a guy with a mohawk haircut. Seriously, how does it even affect you guys if someone else is fat? Sure, THEY might die prematurely or some crap, but that's not really your problem, is it? As long as the fat people don't come and sit on you, it's not your problem to try to solve. Leave them alone, it's none of our business what they do with their weight anyway.

As a summary, I'll just say I am for fat acceptance. You should always accept everything that doesn't negatively affect other people than the person doing it, since it's a matter of personal choice. I notice a lot of americans being against fat acceptance... You're usually so adamant about your personal freedoms in every other aspect, why not this one?

Heart attacks and medication costs a FORTUNE. This is why the government wants to get rid of obesity.

You know what else costs society a fortune and hurts the people involved? Smoking and drinking. Why not crusade to ban those things? Personal freedom.

Fat acceptance is wrong. Ever heard of a little thing called self control?
Gender selection is just horrifying. It's fucking about with nature and you do not do that. Why the hell can't people just be happy with the little bundle of joy they make, regardless of gender? That's as bad as discriminating against someones sexual orientation, if not worse.

That has got to be one of the most self-contradictory posts I've read in a long time. First you advocate discrimination based on body type, and then you condemn discrimination based on attraction to body type... Putting aside the obvious inconsistency in both advocating and condemning discrimination at the same time, it also strikes me as odd considering fatness and sexuality would share much of the same cause. Fatness is caused by a combination of genetics and environment, the exact proportionality of which is debated. Homosexuality is caused by a combination of genetics and environment, the exact proportionality of which is debated.

If you can control yourself from getting fat, you can control yourself equally much from becoming a homosexual. If nothing else, you can keep away from the actual homosexual activities - just like you can keep away from the food and a sedentary lifestyle. I just can't see what makes one different from the other in your eyes. Care to explain?

And while you're at it, I would also like you to explain why "you do not fuck around with nature". Why is that inherently wrong?

 

[crypt-creature]

I have only seen one truly fat fighter, his tactic was to take the opposing fighter down lie on there chest and punch them in the head (with no real power) forcing the ref to stop the fight due to the other fighter not intelligently defending against the punches. Which is a bit of a cheat.

With the exception of sumo's obviously, an athletic sumo is like a weak body builder.

(I am sorry I shall message you when I get the time, I am moving flat at the moment)

Lord, you just described about half of the fights I've seen (even with fit fighters).

Though a lot of wrestling (pro, non, and a few olympic) figures can land on the pudgy side of the scale. It's kind of odd.

(Oh my. By all means, take your time. Moving can be quite hectic)

 

[primitivescrewhead]

Losing weight is painfully simple, Eat less and move more...Thats it.

 

[omega 616]

It depends on what fights your watching, in UFC I have seen it a few times but if the other guy has any kind of ground skill (or enough stamina left) to get out of it.

I've never watched a wrestling match but I bet alot of that goes on.

I think there on the chunky side 'cos it's alot harder to move a bigger weight, so they could either go for muscle or fat, fat is easier to put on so they probably go for that.

(this is my 17th house move, it's pretty routine now, although this is the first time I will be loving by myself)

 

[Dahni]

I agree with your point totally. I don't think fat people should get the same protection as someone of an ethnic minority. Especially if they choose to be that way. Being fat and being, say, Asian is not the same thing.

I don't particularly dislike fat people... I just find it really sickening when I see a family of fat people, particularly if theres a small child who is anything but small around the waist. & anybody who has the ability to lose weight should be slapped if they choose to stay fat. I don't care if they're happy the way they are. It's a very sorry state to be in.

 

[Booze Zombie]

I agree with your point totally. I don't think fat people should get the same protection as someone of an ethnic minority. Especially if they choose to be that way. Being fat and being, say, Asian is not the same thing.

I don't particularly dislike fat people... I just find it really sickening when I see a family of fat people, particularly if theres a small child who is anything but small around the waist. & anybody who has the ability to lose weight should be slapped if they choose to stay fat. I don't care if they're happy the way they are. It's a very sorry state to be in.

This is what I'm talking about.

It's only as long as people see the fat that they start going off on one, if they can't see something, they'll not really care about your health.
You could have a tapeworm and nobody would care because that means you're not fat and that means you're healthy, right? Right?

Being fat is an effect, not a cause, cause and effect, deal with the cause and you remove the effect.
People are complex, yelling "GET THIN" will not work on most people.

It's like if you were short and I yelled "DRINK MORE MILK TO GET TALLER", I don't think you'd appreciate it.

 

[JMeganSnow]

Fat acceptance is an anti discrimination movement aimed at creating laws that punish people for discriminating against the overweight, I am completely against this.

I'm against laws that prevent private citizens from discriminating against anyone for any reason. (2)If a potential employer is a jackass who irrationally hates black people, would you *really* want to work for him even if the law makes him hire you?

(1)You can't magically legislate universal acceptance into existence. Get over it and go find someone that WILL accept you.

So should gender selection be legal or banned?

Legal.

I agree with (1), and that's about it. While it's true that people are out there who will get away with breaking every single law, and most lawbreakers are shitty people to be around, this does not mean we should repeal the law against murder, or against embezzlement, or against discrimination.

I know plenty of black people who (2) would want to do exactly that. Your anti-civil rights argument seems a bit flimsy.

So the fact that "discrimination" against black people is illegal means that people who irrationally dislike blacks are equivalent to murderers? The NATURE of the law that you've broken means nothing? Good, because I've been thinking that these idiots who run themselves off the road during rush hour and make everyone late for work need to be executed.

I am against laws that forbid discrimination of ANY kind (whether you're against blacks, whites, felons, fatties, or women who wear low-cut jeans so you can see their thong) because enacting these laws necessitates the violation of someone's rights. If you choose to be an asshole with your property and deny its use to other people on an irrational basis, so be it. In a society that respects REAL rights (not whatever these mythical "civil" rights are), the target of such "discrimination" is free to seek those goods and services elsewhere or even produce them. There is nothing that entitles anyone to a job, bus ride, or even a sandwich produced by someone else if that someone else does not choose to hire, drive, or sell.

People complain about greed as if it were something bad, but in a truly capitalist society it is the greatest leveling factor in existence. Greedy, selfish people don't care who does the work as long as they do it well and cheaply. They don't care who's offering dollars for their sandwiches. They don't care who sits on their bus as long as they PAY for it.

I am both female and obese and I've never encountered any "discrimination" of any kind in my life--except at the hands of people who insist that I believe their bullshit complaints about being victimized and discriminated against. Everybody else is too busy getting on with their lives to give a damn.

 

[Dahni]

I agree with your point totally. I don't think fat people should get the same protection as someone of an ethnic minority. Especially if they choose to be that way. Being fat and being, say, Asian is not the same thing.

I don't particularly dislike fat people... I just find it really sickening when I see a family of fat people, particularly if theres a small child who is anything but small around the waist. & anybody who has the ability to lose weight should be slapped if they choose to stay fat. I don't care if they're happy the way they are. It's a very sorry state to be in.

This is what I'm talking about.

It's only as long as people see the fat that they start going off on one, if they can't see something, they'll not really care about your health.
You could have a tapeworm and nobody would care because that means you're not fat and that means you're healthy, right? Right?

Being fat is an effect, not a cause, cause and effect, deal with the cause and you remove the effect.
People are complex, yelling "GET THIN" will not work on most people.

It's like if you were short and I yelled "DRINK MORE MILK TO GET TALLER", I don't think you'd appreciate it.

I do understand that.
I find it sickening because these seriously fat people who choose to be that way are risking their lives & chances are, risking their children's lives by not encouraging a healthy lifestyle. I don't assume that someone is healthy because they're slim as I know it's perfectly possible to be slim & still not be healthy.

A little bit of fat is fine. Whatever. I don't care if someone is a little bit on the heavy side. It's when they physically struggle to walk or at least look physically strained by walking across the room that I really think they need to get their act together. I'm not simply saying that shouting GET THIN would ever work. I know it won't. It was simply a simplification.

There isnt enough encouragement for fat people to get thin. Whether it's scare tactics or something else, more needs to be done and treating fat people as though they are a suppressed minority is only going to make things worse. They don't deserve the same protection as someone of an ethnic minority.