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crypt-creature

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omega 616 said:
Argh, two threads in one.

I am no expert on fat loss and I am no dietitian but if you put down the cakes and fizzy drinks and pick up fruit and drink water and get off your backside and exercise every other day you will lose weight.

If you burn more calories than you take in you can't help but lose weight, it's just how it works.

All these quick fixes/fad diets are total crap, just cut the crappy food and do some stuff and you will lose it.

If this didn't work then how come you never see fat sports people, they all eat healthy and keep active. They don't stagnate in front of the T.V with a take away the expect to win anything.
Agree with most of what you said.

But I do see fat sports people, depending on the sport and what position they play.
 
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Fat acceptance is an anti discrimination movement aimed at creating laws that punish people for discriminating against the overweight, I am completely against this.

Advocates of fat acceptance protest that some fat people are born fat and can not change their overweight appearance. I feel that they are using this as a scapegoat; the percentage of the population that is overweight for their genes is nowhere near the percentage of the obese that are fat because they eat unhealthy or don't exercise.

They also claim that diets don't work (which I agree) and state that nobody that goes under a diet for five years will come out healthier while fat discrimination originates from the weight loss companies. I can sympathise that these people have tried and failed many diets but to be a member of their organisation you do not need any proof that your weight is the result of genes and not a lack of exercise and poor eating. I believe that these people are demonizing the weight loss industry without taking the alternative of five years of healthy eating and regular exercise.

As soon as the fat acceptance movement makes it compulsory that members must prove that they can not lose weight I will give them credibility; but until then I believe that many disheartened obese people will use this as an excuse after they find that they don't have the willpower for regular exercise, after all a lack of will power is why so many people are obese in the first place.

I know that discriminating against the few who are legitimately fat is wrong but I would rather that than give the majority of fat people a false belief that their condition is not destroying their body.

Do you agree that fat acceptance is wrong or am I discriminating?

Now for something completely different...

Sex selection where a mother chooses the gender of their child is allowed in the U.S and banned in Australia. The Australian government has banned it on the grounds of avoiding a disproportionate population such as the case of China. Advocates of sex selection believe that it is a personal freedom the government is robbing from them.

There are also extreme cases where mothers would end up with eight children before they got the gender they wanted or would abort their child because they were of the wrong gender. The other side of these cases is that some mothers believe that they want a gender for their child but when they receive the wrong gender find that they are happy regardless and managed to avoid paying thousands of dollars for gender selection.

So should gender selection be legal or banned?
I agree with what you say about the fat acceptance thing and there should be something to find otu if it is genetic.

Gender Selection should banned outright and never spoken of again some people would be happy to have a child in the first place never mind specifically a boy or a girl. Even besides that Imagine if the world was 1 sex(which could happen with women only because of engineering of sperm). Imagine how boring that would be and some people who were straight as gay can be a choice or the way your born those people would just go there life never being truly happy with a massive hole in their life.

I competely agree with Australia as it lead to disproportionately gendered population which could eventually lead to the scenario I have stated.
 

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I don't see the big deal with people being overweight. I am overweight but I am also losing weight as well. If someone likes being fat than let them be fat. No one has the right to try and change someone else just because they don't like seeing them that way.

I just say live and let live. If they are not causing harm to others what is the big deal about it?

Isn't the point of having children to be surprised about the gender? Although, if a parent will only love a child because it is a certain gender perhaps they should not be parents.

I have no desire to ever want children so my opinion does not really count.
 

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hypothetical fact said:
Fat acceptance is an anti discrimination movement aimed at creating laws that punish people for discriminating against the overweight, I am completely against this.

So should gender selection be legal or banned?
1. Being really fat is bad for you. However so is being a smoker or drinker. Should people be banned from working jobs during the week because they smoke and drink at other times? If it doesn't affect their work performance I see no reason why fat people should be discriminated against getting a job, or anything else, becasuse of weight. Only if the weight can be shown to actually impede thier ability to do something directly relating to whatever they're being excluded from, should such discrimination be permissible. For instance really obese people in the army is just silly. But a really obese person at a desk job is not such an issue and someone shouldn't be barred from that for that reason alone.

2. Gender selection should be banned everywhere because of disproportionate population issues. Either have a child or don't.
 

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I am completely against fat acceptance, i mean come on. the government should be doing the opposite, the ammount of tax obesity costs in health and welfare each year is REDICULOUS, the money should be being spent elsewhere fat people should be bullied into skinnyness, and dont tell me it isnt doable, obesity runs in my family and from age 10-18 i had problems with my wieght i was at least 20 KGS overweight most of the time. but ive decided to lose weight, it doesnt require great diets, im simply eating less and moving more and im still not extremely skinny but im not far off. its not hard >:{ i mean shit if my 45 year old dad can lose 34 kgs after being overweight most of his adult life then other people can do it too >:{
 

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1. Being really fat is bad for you. However so is being a smoker or drinker. Should people be banned from working jobs during the week because they smoke and drink at other times? If it doesn't affect their work performance I see no reason why fat people should be discriminated against getting a job, or anything else, becasuse of weight. Only if the weight can be shown to actually impede thier ability to do something directly relating to whatever they're being excluded from, should such discrimination be permissible. For instance really obese people in the army is just silly. But a really obese person at a desk job is not such an issue and someone shouldn't be barred from that for that reason alone.

Um yes, if someone is an alcoholic or drug addict then yes. but yeah also smokers are forced to keep their habit at home pretty much smoking in most public places is illegal so they're also discriminated against in that. Obesity is one of the biggest problems in the world atm.
 

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I don't hate fat people so much as I hate people making silly excuses for their problems. I saw an interview a couple of days ago, where a few fat people were picketing in front of the White House, I forget why. One of the women there said she believed that being fat was just part of the American gene pool. Then they cut to some guy who at least doesn't beat around the bush: he's fat because he eats too much and has no willpower, he freely admits. This man, I can respect. The lady... not so much.
 

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Shut up. being fat is great. except for when the weight (ha!) of your insecurities crashes down on you and you spend hours at a time crying in a corner, eating a can of Pringles. Try the cheddar Pringles; they're delicious!
 

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Im gonna sidestep the fat acceptance and put my 2pence in on gender selection. I dont agree with it, when some gets pregnant its a coin toss, and that is part of the magic, some parents get what they'd prefer the first try some dont.

For example, I want kids and I'd love daughters, but id also like at least one son as well, but if i get all sons or all daughters, id just be happy im able to have kids in the first place.
 

Bat Vader

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fat people should be bullied into skinnyness
No, that is the worst thing that could be done. Bullying anyone into anything is wrong, even if you are trying to help them.

You are not being hurt by people who are overweight. Their health is their own. If they want to lose weight than yes I can see where people can help them accomplish their goal. But if someone does not care about being fat than they should not be forced to change.

Just because people do not like the way others look that does not give them the right to try and change that person.
 

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I'm with you OP, fat people who keep whining about how terrible it is to be fat but keep stuffing their face make my toenails itch. but hey, that's what you get for having a consumption society where the highest goal is to have a car so you have to move as little as possible... what is it that americans have against bikes anyway? they're great!

as for the gender selection, I'm against it. I'm in favor of abortion so women who get raped or who accidentally tear their condoms or whose pill doesn't work or anything like that can have it removed. it's wrong when you have random unprotected sex and go 'ah, never mind condoms, i'll just have it removed later.'
but when you decide to have a child, mess with it as little as possible.
 

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To quote the 'The king of chefs and the chef of kings' Careme

'It is my job to cater to your excesses highness, it is your job to curb them'.

In the end obesity falls under two categories; A)Those who have medicinal problems ie hypo-active thyroids etc B)Those who rely too much on food and like the crowned prince Careme catered for, are unable to curb their excesses.

As a chef I am over wieght. I know this, I recognise this and I realise that this is a problem. So I go to the gym, I eat real food not crap, I mind what I consume and in doing so keep my weight down to managable levels.

I also realise that if I don't want my customers to develop cancers, diabetes, foot spurs, arthritus and other joint problems in their knees, heart problems, scirosis of the liver, heart disease from eating too much salt and any array of other maladys that are a symptom of obesity than I try my best to make sure my meals are as healthy as I can manage.
 

omega 616

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crypt-creature said:
omega 616 said:
Argh, two threads in one.

I am no expert on fat loss and I am no dietitian but if you put down the cakes and fizzy drinks and pick up fruit and drink water and get off your backside and exercise every other day you will lose weight.

If you burn more calories than you take in you can't help but lose weight, it's just how it works.

All these quick fixes/fad diets are total crap, just cut the crappy food and do some stuff and you will lose it.

If this didn't work then how come you never see fat sports people, they all eat healthy and keep active. They don't stagnate in front of the T.V with a take away the expect to win anything.
Agree with most of what you said.

But I do see fat sports people, depending on the sport and what position they play.
True, I have seen a few chunky NFL and UFC fighters but they tend not to do aswell as the more athletic players.

I watch NFL almost never so I probably messed up there, but no biggy.

(Did I ever message you back, I am sure I did).
 

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Well, fat people trying to pitch that some people can't possibly not be fat because they were born that way is about as retarded as people giving fat people a hard time.
 

crypt-creature

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omega 616 said:
True, I have seen a few chunky NFL and UFC fighters but they tend not to do aswell as the more athletic players.

I watch NFL almost never so I probably messed up there, but no biggy.

(Did I ever message you back, I am sure I did).
Most players that are bigger are either power players or are in positions that almost benefit from their girth. Fighters... they can go either way.
But Sumo wrestlers are always going to be on the big side!

No worries, any sport where the players aren't in constant motion are bound to have a few big guys/gals on the team.

(Actually, I don't believe you did. I'm a little sad now).
 

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jim_doki said:
meh, let them be fat

heart attacks are the wakeup call these people need, not new laws
Heart attacks and medication costs a FORTUNE. This is why the government wants to get rid of obesity.