I am against fat acceptance

[Arcane Azmadi]

While I think it's stupid to hate on fat people and unfair to discriminate against them except in cases where their weight is a serious concern, I'm opposed to Fat Acceptance on the grounds that they're trying to push the idea that "FAT IS NORMAL." They're fooling themselves. Fat people are unhealthy and should NOT be just accepting it.

But then again, we allow people to smoke, which is even stupider, and starting smoking is a conscious decision, so you shouldn't really look to mankind as paragons of common sense anyway.

Gender selection is a bad idea. It's complete bullshit claiming that it's a "right" that's being denied to Australian mothers- who the hell has the right to control their child's life from the womb? A child is their own being, they're not "yours" to craft like a clay figure. And the bullshit about parents who abort children if they're the "wrong" gender of have multiple children until they get one of the "right" gender- these are the people who don't DESERVE to be parents, who can't love a child for WHO THEY ARE.

This is part of why I believe parenthood should be regulated- not everyone should be a parent. These tools are prime examples.

 

[MelziGurl]

Fat people are unhealthy and should NOT be just accepting it.

Blanket statement much. Not all fat people are unhealthy, let's get this idea out of our heads okay.

 

[ffxfriek]

meh, let them be fat

heart attacks are the wakeup call these people need, not new laws

exactly good sir.

 

[Sindaine]

Arcane Azmadi:
Fat people are unhealthy and should NOT be just accepting it.

Blanket statement much. Not all fat people are unhealthy, let's get this idea out of our heads okay.

Fat constricts organs and blood vessels, leading to hypertensension and a severely increased risk of strokes. Elevated LDL--blood cholesterol, associated with obesity--puts you at increased risk for plaque buildup in arteries, which can lead to heartattacks or bloodclots, which can, again, cause strokes.

Being overweight severely increases your risk of developing diabetes, which, untreated can cause gangrene that leads to losing a foot or leg, or blindness, or diabetic coma and death. Oh, it also tends to fuck with your immune system, putting you at risk for infections.

So yeah, how exactly is it possible for fat people to be healthy?

 

[RatRace123]

I agree to an extent, being obese is not a handicap, and as such great big fatasses should not get handicap placards

Of course, I'm not fat, so I'm not on the end of this fatsecution.

 

[Lord of Maggots]

I find fat, ugly, and stupid people to be the worst things to plauge the earth. It's completely retarded to try and force acceptance on people when its a poorly desguised excuse for fat kids not to get there feelings hurt. you dont want to made fun of pudge-o ?... excersise, get off your ass and burn a callorie.


Also if a woman wants to choose the selection of her child Go right a head. Being a satanist and thinking of some omnipresent and all powerfull god as a bad joke, i find no problem in this... unless it ends up screwing up the child BIG TIME. but im not a scientist so what do i know about that stuff?

Dude, seriously? Is that an and statement or an or statement? Do they have to be fat, ugly and stupid? Can they be skinny, ugly and stupid? I fit under the fat, ugly and smart, but I used to be healthy, ugly and smart. Man, now we are gonna have people discriminate against us because we don't have the particular desirable traits that the media believes to be attractive?

Being fat is a choice. For me, that choice was made by my haywire thyroid. Yes, I can choose to be on medication, but that is almost worse than being fat. I can live with being fat because nobody around me really cares, but living on medication that makes it so I can't focus is beyond my ability.

Also, why are we digging up a topic from two years ago? I understand people like to use the search bar, but necro-topic isn't the best idea.

Its for any and all. you can be skinny ugly and stupid and youll piss me off just as bad as the beautiful retard. And its the fat thats the "ughhh i dont feel like doing anything" or the "im fat because my parents are fat" Thats bull crap. you have a medical reason for it and it is very legit but yeah you could be on medication. But i know what you mean with that. I dont smoke or drink or do drugs because i dont like not being in totall controll of myself or at the top of my game 24/7.

 

[Flos]

Some of them might have medical conditions that make weight loss extraordinarily difficult, even while eating next to nothing and working oneself to exhaustion. That was my entire highschool career, subsisting on pickles and water and walking too and from school, running up and down the stairs when not doing homework and still never losing a pound. Then senior year my thyroid gland suddenly went into overdrive. I didn't need to sleep, had tons of energy and weight melted off me--I lost 90 pounds in the course of 3 months. My hair fell out, granted, but it was so worth it to slip into a size 4.

No.

No, I don't think it was. That's a terrible mindset to have. I just kind of frowned and sighed at that comment. It's terrible that people with that mindset exist.

i dont like not being in totall controll of myself or at the top of my game 24/7.

Excusemewhat?

Your ignorance is loud. You're not qualified to understand why certain people are overweight, nor the complicated equation that goes into just what makes people the way they are. You said it yourself, you're no scientist. You probably don't even have a high school diploma.

There's really no surefire way to fix endocrine issues. A person could very well go on medication. That same person can go on several different types of medication (paid for by their magical health care fairy, amirite?) and never see a single result.

You don't have to not drink or smoke or do drugs to be 'in control' of yourself. Do you get proper nutrition every day? Do you meticulously burn as many calories as you intake? Do you understand what protein, sugars, transfat, saturatedfat, and carbohydrates are? Do you know that in twenty or so years your metabolism is going to slow down? Do you know why it's going to slow down?

Do you know how your body works on a molecular level? Why you have certain things that you do all the time? Do you understand why and how you think on both a philosophical and biological level?

No?

Congratulations! You're just as ignorant as Fatty McFatface (and myself, and every other poster here) and, thus, probably not in control of yourself 24/7.

Don't assume you're in control because you 'don't do bad things'. The clothes you buy, the people you associate with, the food you eat (do you stick with brands? Drink soda? Juice? Stick with a certain grocery chain?), the information available, the job you have - somewhere along the line, someone made a choice that directly effects you. Any control you think you have could very well be an illusion.

 

[Lord of Maggots]

Some of them might have medical conditions that make weight loss extraordinarily difficult, even while eating next to nothing and working oneself to exhaustion. That was my entire highschool career, subsisting on pickles and water and walking too and from school, running up and down the stairs when not doing homework and still never losing a pound. Then senior year my thyroid gland suddenly went into overdrive. I didn't need to sleep, had tons of energy and weight melted off me--I lost 90 pounds in the course of 3 months. My hair fell out, granted, but it was so worth it to slip into a size 4.

No.

No, I don't think it was. That's a terrible mindset to have. I just kind of frowned and sighed at that comment. It's terrible that people with that mindset exist.

i dont like not being in totall controll of myself or at the top of my game 24/7.

Excusemewhat?

Your ignorance is loud. You're not qualified to understand why certain people are overweight, nor the complicated equation that goes into just what makes people the way they are. You said it yourself, you're no scientist. You probably don't even have a high school diploma.

There's really no surefire way to fix endocrine issues. A person could very well go on medication. That same person can go on several different types of medication (paid for by their magical health care fairy, amirite?) and never see a single result.

You don't have to not drink or smoke or do drugs to be 'in control' of yourself. Do you get proper nutrition every day? Do you meticulously burn as many calories as you intake? Do you understand what protein, sugars, transfat, saturatedfat, and carbohydrates are? Do you know that in twenty or so years your metabolism is going to slow down? Do you know why it's going to slow down?

Do you know how your body works on a molecular level? Why you have certain things that you do all the time? Do you understand why and how you think on both a philosophical and biological level?

No?

Congratulations! You're just as ignorant as Fatty McFatface (and myself, and every other poster here) and, thus, probably not in control of yourself 24/7.

Don't assume you're in control because you 'don't do bad things'. The clothes you buy, the people you associate with, the food you eat (do you stick with brands? Drink soda? Juice? Stick with a certain grocery chain?), the information available, the job you have - somewhere along the line, someone made a choice that directly effects you. Any control you think you have could very well be an illusion.

Ok there uhmmm yes i do understand how my body works. Im a cullinary student and ive taken a ton of nutrition and biology courses. I excersise everyday and i burn as many callories as i should be to stay healthy. I dont do Drugs (including alchohol because that too is a drug) because it effects my mind and body in a negative way. I'm a US Army soldier and I have to rely on myself being in tip top shape constantly to not only protect myself but others. So dont tell me what i do and dont know.

 

[MelziGurl]

Arcane Azmadi:
Fat people are unhealthy and should NOT be just accepting it.

Blanket statement much. Not all fat people are unhealthy, let's get this idea out of our heads okay.

Fat constricts organs and blood vessels, leading to hypertensension and a severely increased risk of strokes. Elevated LDL--blood cholesterol, associated with obesity--puts you at increased risk for plaque buildup in arteries, which can lead to heartattacks or bloodclots, which can, again, cause strokes.

Being overweight severely increases your risk of developing diabetes, which, untreated can cause gangrene that leads to losing a foot or leg, or blindness, or diabetic coma and death. Oh, it also tends to fuck with your immune system, putting you at risk for infections.

So yeah, how exactly is it possible for fat people to be healthy?

TOP 10 OBESITY MYTHS

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2009/12/top-10-obesity-myths/

Your answers are in that link.
EDIT: Mainly in myth 5.
EDIT 2: My personal trainer will also agree that not all fat people are unhealthy.

 

[WlknCntrdiction]

I don't hate fat people, but they're not exactly doing themselves any favours by being fat. Just saying.

EDIT: What a post for me to get my 1000th on, of all the posts in the world it had to be about fat people, greeeeat ¬_¬

 

[Fox1789]

a real good friend of minne was skinny but developed a thiroid problem that made her fat so i should hate her for that?


..jerk

 

[TankCopter]

I just skimmed through most of the posts on account of me finding all arguments stated irrelevant on account of being arguments. So I'm sorry if I missed any post saying exactly what I'm about to say.

You people seem to be arguing about whether or not fat people have themselves to blame. That's completely irrelevant. If it's something they can't change, then it's the same as discriminating a cripple. If it's a "choice", then it's the same as discriminating a guy with a mohawk haircut. Seriously, how does it even affect you guys if someone else is fat? Sure, THEY might die prematurely or some crap, but that's not really your problem, is it? As long as the fat people don't come and sit on you, it's not your problem to try to solve. Leave them alone, it's none of our business what they do with their weight anyway.

This is pretty much what I think in a nutshell. If someone who is obese isn't bothering you, why should you pester them? If they have a genetic condition, say polycystic ovaries or a thyroid problem, then it isn't as simple as 'eat less exercise more.' I know a very large lady with PCS. She barely eats and has tried all kinds of treatments and explored all avenues with her doctor, yet she cannot shift the weight. This is not her fault, she doesn't put it on the rest of us, so it doesn't bother me. That said, there are people who simply let themselves go. Again, this is their choice/problem and they shouldn't expect strangers in the streets or the government to deal with it for them.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

If you get obese not due to your own efforts (That Virus thing) then no.


if any other way, yes.


If its your fault you're fat, so I'm going to make fun of you.

 

[TelHybrid]

There are also extreme cases where mothers would end up with eight children before they got the gender they wanted or would abort their child because they were of the wrong gender. The other side of these cases is that some mothers believe that they want a gender for their child but when they receive the wrong gender find that they are happy regardless and managed to avoid paying thousands of dollars for gender selection.

So should gender selection be legal or banned?

Who the hell would be that fucking sick and twisted?

If that's the only argument for it besides "free choice", I'm against it. Whoever would abort a kid for being the wrong gender should be killed them self.

Edit: Oh and in regards to the fat thing, yes I am against laziness of people who aren't willing to exercise too, but don't take it too far. It's thanks to people with mindsets like yours living in our society that other people get mental problems such as anorexia and bulimia.

 

[Mcupobob]

People should have the free choice too be obese, smoke, and drink without anyone telling them what to do or how to live. THEIR HEALTH should not be your problem leave them alone and allow them to make the choices on how to live you pious prick.

On the flip side of gender selection I not sure i'm against or for, I don't like the idea of parts controling that much of a childs life. Also a parent who wants to do gender selection sounds like a person who should not be having kids instead of having a child to love, they want Somthing to love. Parents should love there child regardless of the outcome of their birth. But somthing in me wants to be for, mabey just do to possibable scientific advancements.

 

[Orekoya]

People should have the free choice too be obese, smoke, and drink without anyone telling them what to do or how to live. THEIR HEALTH should not be your problem leave them alone and allow them to make the choices on how to live you pious prick.

Well, technically, their health issues are our problems because we have these systems called health care and insurance. In the US, our current system is that people pile their money up by an amount measured to their likeliness to use it, we call it insurance. The thing is that on the health care side, the system will cut losses of those who don't have insurance (usually giving them half off or even cheaper) by raising the bill for those who do, making their money piles smaller which mean everyone has to start contributing more and more whether or not they're using any of the money pile. Those who are unhealthy, especially those with unhealthy habits (such as overeating, drinking, smoking) are the first to get drop from their insurance when they experience any health problems. Doctors will end up passing the bulk of their bills onto the rest of us who do.

So when I'm watching some fatty fat wolf down his 10th BigMac in a single sitting, I know that's why the premium for my insurance went up again another 13 dollars a month this year despite the fact that I haven't used it since I've gotten it.

 

[madmatt]

personally i'm against thin acceptance

 

[Sindaine]

Sindaine:


Arcane Azmadi:
Fat people are unhealthy and should NOT be just accepting it.

Blanket statement much. Not all fat people are unhealthy, let's get this idea out of our heads okay.

Fat constricts organs and blood vessels, leading to hypertensension and a severely increased risk of strokes. Elevated LDL--blood cholesterol, associated with obesity--puts you at increased risk for plaque buildup in arteries, which can lead to heartattacks or bloodclots, which can, again, cause strokes.

Being overweight severely increases your risk of developing diabetes, which, untreated can cause gangrene that leads to losing a foot or leg, or blindness, or diabetic coma and death. Oh, it also tends to fuck with your immune system, putting you at risk for infections.

So yeah, how exactly is it possible for fat people to be healthy?

TOP 10 OBESITY MYTHS

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2009/12/top-10-obesity-myths/

Your answers are in that link.
EDIT: Mainly in myth 5.
EDIT 2: My personal trainer will also agree that not all fat people are unhealthy.

Studies do show that the relative risk of death among obese people with a Body Mass Index (BMI) at the highest end of the scale is significantly higher than normal weight people.[/q]

Hm yes, the ones dying younger must be more healthy than those of normal weight...

and I note that it mentions nothing about how it's even POSSIBLE to be both fit and fat--fitness implies that you don't get winded walking up the stairs, which fat people often do if their obesity is owing not enough excercise. Also my point about BP, stroke/heart/attack/diabetes risk. Yes, being too thin is dangerous; duh, obviously. But so is being fat.

 

[bcponpcp27]

I'm fat myself, but I think you should try your damn hardest to lose weight before you give up. Some people just can't, but I know I can, so I'm taking a PE class at my college that basically makes you exercise vigorously for 3 hours a week at least. Plus yoga.