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I'm signed up as an organ donor. Because as many people have said before in this thread, I'll be dead, I won't be needing them.

Now, granted, my liver'll probably be pickled in Guinness by the time my organs are to be used, but I'm sure someone'd love a kidney or heart.
 

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Think of it this way. The human body was created to stop in the middle of a forest and drink swamp water. We used to be able to digest SWAMP water like it was filtered crystal clear sping water. Now men are ebing told you have to drink mineral bottled water because it's all that's good for you. It's against the way the human body was designed.

A beaver builds a dam in order to create a home. it's always been like that in nature, since beavers existed, they've always done such things. nothing altered the creature to do this.

Pain killers and such are unnatural, yes, but unnecessary. It's created to do something your body can do all on it's own given enough time. if your leg breaks, it's not meant to heal in the exact same position, it might mend wrong, and be useless to you. You could even possibly die, as you said, from starvation in the desert. If I didn't get that wisdom tooth surgery, I could have gotten my jaw damaged and been in pain the rest of my life, so I made an exception and bit the bullet so to speak. The vicodin seemedlike a good idea, but in the end it was unnecessary, so I didn't use it after I got over the initial pain (Vicodin also knocked me senseless the first two days, another idea I didn't like).

The organs would be removed once I died. I believe that I want my body to remain as it was at the time of death, even as it will decomposee and have criters crawling around it. The use of my organs to keep another human alive seems artificial to me, despite the fact that it's an organic material. His kidney failed, he should have died. His time had come, but now he's being kept alive through artificial means: Another kidney that was placed in him.
On your first point, by that same logic human beings weren't "meant" to do many things I (rather poorly) assume that you do such as communicate in the way we do, eat food we haven't caught or taken from the earth, wear synthetic clothes, live in brick houses etc. and yet you seem not to have problems with those things.
The human body wasn't meant to sit on chairs or use the forms of transport we do. It wasn't meant to be as immobile as we were but walk for miles and miles every day.
Humans also weren't meant to be burned or buried but you wish to be buried? Are you to be buried without a coffin so that your remains immediately go into the earth in a "natural" way?
Why choose medicine as a place to take a stand against "unnecessary" artificial methods?
Why selectively live only certain aspects of what you consider a lifestyle for how the human body was "designed"?

Your second point about the beaver and your final statement about the man with kidney failures time coming indicate beliefs in intelligent design and fate. Are your ideas of nature religiously based?
 

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its not evil to not donate a organ i mean you need those and they dont grow back. not giving blood your still not evil but you still should i mean blood is like seemen it comes back anyway. but if you dead you should
 

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Evil, no. A bit selfish, yes. What're you going to use your organs for when you're dead? Are you a lover of worms, in favor of giving them more to feast on?
 

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Abedeus said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
NeuroticDogDad said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
Why does everyone take what I say so far from context?

Wood is natural, beavers are nature's pets, YES! It is natural. I was born with my organ within my body. I would like to die and decompose as such. THat is my current wish. These are my current thoughts. If I chose to have my life saved through organ transplants, I'll sign my own bloody donor card.

However, taking organs from one man's body and placing them in another's is articifical. Rather than dying, you are taking organs from someone's dead body, keeping them stored on ice, and then using them to keep someone alive when "Their time has come". Those are my beliefs.

You have anti-inflammitories to stop swelling, anti-biotics to stop infection, Ny-Quill to help with congestion and colds, Tylenol for headaches, pain killers for other pains, Vicodin, morphine. When I had my whisdom teeth removed, I used vicodin for two days, and then rode out the pain naturally because I hated the idea of using a man-made creation of medicine to over-ride a natural pain that came from ripping 4 teeth out of my mouth that would have caused me pain for the rest of my life (they were growing sideways towards my jaw-bone).

Your metaphor for a cast is rather vein. When did I say I would never undergo such a treatment? Read ALL my posts before you respond on one, especially if an explanatory post comes after the one you quote. A cast is VERY different from cutting open a dead body and removing organs
I do apologise because I don't think it was clear in my post but I'm not trying to say you're wrong or even necessarily change your mind but to understand you because it's quite obvious that the way we think isn't the same. Don't get excited, angry or frustrated, I'm not misquoting or taking things out of context intentionally and unfortunately I don't have the time or short term memory to either go through all your posts again and again or remember them one time through but I'm trying my best.

In the artificial/natural statement and indeed the cast analogy I'm merely trying to provide a context to your statements. It appears you selectively choose what you're comfortable with without a clear trend as to the natural or artificial.
Organ transplants are artificial and you're not comfortable with them but a cast is artificial and you would be ok with it?
Both the dental procedure you underwent and the vicodin are artificial and you were ok with one but not the other?

You also didn't explain why you considered the dam natural and organ transplants unnatural. Both are simply creations of creatures of the earth. "Artifical" simply means made by man, man being part of nature.
In fact, I never understood why artificial and natural are antonyms. Have you got any opinions on why that is?

As a side note, should we continue in this off-topic way or should I create a specific thread for this discussion?
Think of it this way. The human body was created to stop in the middle of a forest and drink swamp water. We used to be able to digest SWAMP water like it was filtered crystal clear sping water. Now men are ebing told you have to drink mineral bottled water because it's all that's good for you. It's against the way the human body was designed.

A beaver builds a dam in order to create a home. it's always been like that in nature, since beavers existed, they've always done such things. nothing altered the creature to do this.

Pain killers and such are unnatural, yes, but unnecessary. It's created to do something your body can do all on it's own given enough time. if your leg breaks, it's not meant to heal in the exact same position, it might mend wrong, and be useless to you. You could even possibly die, as you said, from starvation in the desert. If I didn't get that wisdom tooth surgery, I could have gotten my jaw damaged and been in pain the rest of my life, so I made an exception and bit the bullet so to speak. The vicodin seemedlike a good idea, but in the end it was unnecessary, so I didn't use it after I got over the initial pain (Vicodin also knocked me senseless the first two days, another idea I didn't like).

The organs would be removed once I died. I believe that I want my body to remain as it was at the time of death, even as it will decomposee and have criters crawling around it. The use of my organs to keep another human alive seems artificial to me, despite the fact that it's an organic material. His kidney failed, he should have died. His time had come, but now he's being kept alive through artificial means: Another kidney that was placed in him.
Holy crap dude. You really want to live "as God intended", then go live in a bush in some jungle, fighting animals and other inhabitants of the good old swamp. Pain killers unnatural? You are a moron and you don't know that about half of the drugs have existed in form of HERBS. People ate them, crushed them into powder, cream and so on and treated wounds with them.

Also, wow at people resorting to vicodin because of a tooth pain. Seriously? Oh, and next time you need a break surgery or you have a headache, use the same method cavemen used - a sharp-edged rock and hitting the place it hurts. Didn't work, and in 95% the patient died, but you didn't use any of the unnatural METAL stuff. Which animal uses metals? Or chemicals, or elements besides the basic ones, existing in nature everywhere (water, air and so on)?

Seems to me like you dislike the evolution process of mankind. Hope you don't have kids. I mean, you shouldn't. In the good old days, people had kids when they were 12-13. My sister would've been a grandma by now. But hey, I might be wrong. I mean, the average age of death in the good old days was about 30-40 years...
1. Was perscribed vicodin for my thoothpain. Again, did you read the part where I said I gave it up and dealt with the pain?
2. Did you read my last post at all? Where are you getting all this "Live in the bush and fight off animals" non sense? Just because I don't want my organs removed after I die? Just because I want to be buried the way I died? Who saidI want to live as god intended? I'm am athiest.
3. Yes, herbs are natural, and medicinal, congrats. I'm looking at a bottle of tylenol from my co-worker right now and there are 14-15 non medicinal ingrediants. Two of which are colouring. not EVERYTHING in medicine is in is as a medicinal use.
4. When did I say I dislike evolution? I used clothes, I use computers, whatever. Why are you pulling this so far out of context and personally attacking me?
 

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NeuroticDogDad said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
Think of it this way. The human body was created to stop in the middle of a forest and drink swamp water. We used to be able to digest SWAMP water like it was filtered crystal clear sping water. Now men are ebing told you have to drink mineral bottled water because it's all that's good for you. It's against the way the human body was designed.

A beaver builds a dam in order to create a home. it's always been like that in nature, since beavers existed, they've always done such things. nothing altered the creature to do this.

Pain killers and such are unnatural, yes, but unnecessary. It's created to do something your body can do all on it's own given enough time. if your leg breaks, it's not meant to heal in the exact same position, it might mend wrong, and be useless to you. You could even possibly die, as you said, from starvation in the desert. If I didn't get that wisdom tooth surgery, I could have gotten my jaw damaged and been in pain the rest of my life, so I made an exception and bit the bullet so to speak. The vicodin seemedlike a good idea, but in the end it was unnecessary, so I didn't use it after I got over the initial pain (Vicodin also knocked me senseless the first two days, another idea I didn't like).

The organs would be removed once I died. I believe that I want my body to remain as it was at the time of death, even as it will decomposee and have criters crawling around it. The use of my organs to keep another human alive seems artificial to me, despite the fact that it's an organic material. His kidney failed, he should have died. His time had come, but now he's being kept alive through artificial means: Another kidney that was placed in him.
On your first point, by that same logic human beings weren't "meant" to do many things I (rather poorly) assume that you do such as communicate in the way we do, eat food we haven't caught or taken from the earth, wear synthetic clothes, live in brick houses etc. and yet you seem not to have problems with those things.
The human body wasn't meant to sit on chairs or use the forms of transport we do. It wasn't meant to be as immobile as we were but walk for miles and miles every day.
Humans also weren't meant to be burned or buried but you wish to be buried? Are you to be buried without a coffin so that your remains immediately go into the earth in a "natural" way?
Why choose medicine as a place to take a stand against "unnecessary" artificial methods?
Why selectively live only certain aspects of what you consider a lifestyle for how the human body was "designed"?

Your second point about the beaver and your final statement about the man with kidney failures time coming indicate beliefs in intelligent design and fate. Are your ideas of nature religiously based?
I gotta be honest. It's how my mind perceives it to be honest. I'm not against evolution or anything. Just... Don't believe in modern meds. They simply feel unnatural to me, and so do organ transplants. It can seem like my answers are half hearted, but it's my perception of things
 

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JinxyKatte said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
I'm an avid believer in "You get what you give"

If I need help, I wouldn't expect an organ to be given to me, as I have not signed an organ donor card, but if they wish and do give me an organ then I'd be fine with it, I just don't really expect it.

I suppose if ever someone's organ does save me I'll sign the card
That right there, is a really shitty and terrible attitude to have. If everyone did that then no one would ever get any organs.

HOWEVER I do not say the above sentence to berate you or even judge you, I myself am not a donor and short of it being a family member, a very close family member I doubt I would consider giving up an organ.

Although I would like you more than likely have a change of heart should I ever need one. Fickle creatures aren't we.
I canunderstand where you're coming from, as I've said I don't want a transplant if one if offered to me. Maybe one day I'll be hit by a car and need a new spleena nd I'll decide "I want to live" and it will go against my current beliefs. and the very next day that I can holda pen I'll sign my card.
 

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Celtic_Kerr said:
Abedeus said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
NeuroticDogDad said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
Why does everyone take what I say so far from context?

Wood is natural, beavers are nature's pets, YES! It is natural. I was born with my organ within my body. I would like to die and decompose as such. THat is my current wish. These are my current thoughts. If I chose to have my life saved through organ transplants, I'll sign my own bloody donor card.

However, taking organs from one man's body and placing them in another's is articifical. Rather than dying, you are taking organs from someone's dead body, keeping them stored on ice, and then using them to keep someone alive when "Their time has come". Those are my beliefs.

You have anti-inflammitories to stop swelling, anti-biotics to stop infection, Ny-Quill to help with congestion and colds, Tylenol for headaches, pain killers for other pains, Vicodin, morphine. When I had my whisdom teeth removed, I used vicodin for two days, and then rode out the pain naturally because I hated the idea of using a man-made creation of medicine to over-ride a natural pain that came from ripping 4 teeth out of my mouth that would have caused me pain for the rest of my life (they were growing sideways towards my jaw-bone).

Your metaphor for a cast is rather vein. When did I say I would never undergo such a treatment? Read ALL my posts before you respond on one, especially if an explanatory post comes after the one you quote. A cast is VERY different from cutting open a dead body and removing organs
I do apologise because I don't think it was clear in my post but I'm not trying to say you're wrong or even necessarily change your mind but to understand you because it's quite obvious that the way we think isn't the same. Don't get excited, angry or frustrated, I'm not misquoting or taking things out of context intentionally and unfortunately I don't have the time or short term memory to either go through all your posts again and again or remember them one time through but I'm trying my best.

In the artificial/natural statement and indeed the cast analogy I'm merely trying to provide a context to your statements. It appears you selectively choose what you're comfortable with without a clear trend as to the natural or artificial.
Organ transplants are artificial and you're not comfortable with them but a cast is artificial and you would be ok with it?
Both the dental procedure you underwent and the vicodin are artificial and you were ok with one but not the other?

You also didn't explain why you considered the dam natural and organ transplants unnatural. Both are simply creations of creatures of the earth. "Artifical" simply means made by man, man being part of nature.
In fact, I never understood why artificial and natural are antonyms. Have you got any opinions on why that is?

As a side note, should we continue in this off-topic way or should I create a specific thread for this discussion?
Think of it this way. The human body was created to stop in the middle of a forest and drink swamp water. We used to be able to digest SWAMP water like it was filtered crystal clear sping water. Now men are ebing told you have to drink mineral bottled water because it's all that's good for you. It's against the way the human body was designed.

A beaver builds a dam in order to create a home. it's always been like that in nature, since beavers existed, they've always done such things. nothing altered the creature to do this.

Pain killers and such are unnatural, yes, but unnecessary. It's created to do something your body can do all on it's own given enough time. if your leg breaks, it's not meant to heal in the exact same position, it might mend wrong, and be useless to you. You could even possibly die, as you said, from starvation in the desert. If I didn't get that wisdom tooth surgery, I could have gotten my jaw damaged and been in pain the rest of my life, so I made an exception and bit the bullet so to speak. The vicodin seemedlike a good idea, but in the end it was unnecessary, so I didn't use it after I got over the initial pain (Vicodin also knocked me senseless the first two days, another idea I didn't like).

The organs would be removed once I died. I believe that I want my body to remain as it was at the time of death, even as it will decomposee and have criters crawling around it. The use of my organs to keep another human alive seems artificial to me, despite the fact that it's an organic material. His kidney failed, he should have died. His time had come, but now he's being kept alive through artificial means: Another kidney that was placed in him.
Holy crap dude. You really want to live "as God intended", then go live in a bush in some jungle, fighting animals and other inhabitants of the good old swamp. Pain killers unnatural? You are a moron and you don't know that about half of the drugs have existed in form of HERBS. People ate them, crushed them into powder, cream and so on and treated wounds with them.

Also, wow at people resorting to vicodin because of a tooth pain. Seriously? Oh, and next time you need a break surgery or you have a headache, use the same method cavemen used - a sharp-edged rock and hitting the place it hurts. Didn't work, and in 95% the patient died, but you didn't use any of the unnatural METAL stuff. Which animal uses metals? Or chemicals, or elements besides the basic ones, existing in nature everywhere (water, air and so on)?

Seems to me like you dislike the evolution process of mankind. Hope you don't have kids. I mean, you shouldn't. In the good old days, people had kids when they were 12-13. My sister would've been a grandma by now. But hey, I might be wrong. I mean, the average age of death in the good old days was about 30-40 years...
1. Was perscribed vicodin for my thoothpain. Again, did you read the part where I said I gave it up and dealt with the pain?
2. Did you read my last post at all? Where are you getting all this "Live in the bush and fight off animals" non sense? Just because I don't want my organs removed after I die? Just because I want to be buried the way I died? Who saidI want to live as god intended? I'm am athiest.
3. Yes, herbs are natural, and medicinal, congrats. I'm looking at a bottle of tylenol from my co-worker right now and there are 14-15 non medicinal ingrediants. Two of which are colouring. not EVERYTHING in medicine is in is as a medicinal use.
4. When did I say I dislike evolution? I used clothes, I use computers, whatever. Why are you pulling this so far out of context and personally attacking me?
Sorry, it's you who said about wanting to have body exactly as it died, because it's unnatural (that's what artificial means, btw - not of nature) that someone lives thanks to someone else's organs. You also said you don't like modern medicine. Which means you don't like a LARGE part of the modern life, since we are treated with modern medicine before we are even born - USG to make sure fetus is developing correctly, amnio to rule out diseases and prepare for them, the OR is FILLED with medical equipment used to perform the surgery, and we and your parents are constantly vaccinated.

If you really wanted your body the way it was born, you shouldn't have taken those vaccines, and let nature take its course.

Also, I'm attacking you because of people like you hundreds of people die instead of living. One human can save 10 other people. A pair of lungs, pair of kidneys, stomach, colon, heart and about 5 liters of blood. That's 8. Add bone marrow and "rejects" like tissue around the heart or intestines or even skin for burn victims. I literally can't believe there would be a person who could look 10 people in the eyes, one next to another, and say that he won't save their lives without ANY effort. You don't even have to do anything.

Just don't get surprised when you're going to need blood or marrow but there won't be enough because there are no donors with your blood type.

Celtic_Kerr said:
JinxyKatte said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
I'm an avid believer in "You get what you give"

If I need help, I wouldn't expect an organ to be given to me, as I have not signed an organ donor card, but if they wish and do give me an organ then I'd be fine with it, I just don't really expect it.

I suppose if ever someone's organ does save me I'll sign the card
That right there, is a really shitty and terrible attitude to have. If everyone did that then no one would ever get any organs.

HOWEVER I do not say the above sentence to berate you or even judge you, I myself am not a donor and short of it being a family member, a very close family member I doubt I would consider giving up an organ.

Although I would like you more than likely have a change of heart should I ever need one. Fickle creatures aren't we.
I canunderstand where you're coming from, as I've said I don't want a transplant if one if offered to me. Maybe one day I'll be hit by a car and need a new spleena nd I'll decide "I want to live" and it will go against my current beliefs. and the very next day that I can holda pen I'll sign my card.
You don't need a spleen to live. However, you will need blood, lots of it. Oops sorry, blood banks closed, you die.
 

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MisterM2402 said:
Madara XIII said:
...then leave my corpse the fuck alone.
Why? No seriously, why? I *really* don't get what your logic or reasoning is behind that. At all.
Because I have a right to my own damn body and I at least deserve to be left with that!
Jesus, my belief is that if you don't want to give up your organs then you shouldn't have to. What the hell is this?! A communism? I do it because It is respect for the dead in my religion and it is up to the person to decide whether to give their organs away. If they don't want to leave it alone and quit pestering them.

Secondly if you don't get my logic then leave it alone!!! It's not hard to understand that maybe a person wants their body intact. No one had a problem with it before and I honestly don't see what's the point in bringing up some god forsaken witch hunt.

Oh look he doesn't want to donate his organs. Ostracize him and call him selfish to make ourselves look like better people.

Seriously. That is what this thread is turning into.
 

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Abedeus said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
Abedeus said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
NeuroticDogDad said:
Celtic_Kerr said:
Why does everyone take what I say so far from context?

Wood is natural, beavers are nature's pets, YES! It is natural. I was born with my organ within my body. I would like to die and decompose as such. THat is my current wish. These are my current thoughts. If I chose to have my life saved through organ transplants, I'll sign my own bloody donor card.

However, taking organs from one man's body and placing them in another's is articifical. Rather than dying, you are taking organs from someone's dead body, keeping them stored on ice, and then using them to keep someone alive when "Their time has come". Those are my beliefs.

You have anti-inflammitories to stop swelling, anti-biotics to stop infection, Ny-Quill to help with congestion and colds, Tylenol for headaches, pain killers for other pains, Vicodin, morphine. When I had my whisdom teeth removed, I used vicodin for two days, and then rode out the pain naturally because I hated the idea of using a man-made creation of medicine to over-ride a natural pain that came from ripping 4 teeth out of my mouth that would have caused me pain for the rest of my life (they were growing sideways towards my jaw-bone).

Your metaphor for a cast is rather vein. When did I say I would never undergo such a treatment? Read ALL my posts before you respond on one, especially if an explanatory post comes after the one you quote. A cast is VERY different from cutting open a dead body and removing organs
I do apologise because I don't think it was clear in my post but I'm not trying to say you're wrong or even necessarily change your mind but to understand you because it's quite obvious that the way we think isn't the same. Don't get excited, angry or frustrated, I'm not misquoting or taking things out of context intentionally and unfortunately I don't have the time or short term memory to either go through all your posts again and again or remember them one time through but I'm trying my best.

In the artificial/natural statement and indeed the cast analogy I'm merely trying to provide a context to your statements. It appears you selectively choose what you're comfortable with without a clear trend as to the natural or artificial.
Organ transplants are artificial and you're not comfortable with them but a cast is artificial and you would be ok with it?
Both the dental procedure you underwent and the vicodin are artificial and you were ok with one but not the other?

You also didn't explain why you considered the dam natural and organ transplants unnatural. Both are simply creations of creatures of the earth. "Artifical" simply means made by man, man being part of nature.
In fact, I never understood why artificial and natural are antonyms. Have you got any opinions on why that is?

As a side note, should we continue in this off-topic way or should I create a specific thread for this discussion?
Think of it this way. The human body was created to stop in the middle of a forest and drink swamp water. We used to be able to digest SWAMP water like it was filtered crystal clear sping water. Now men are ebing told you have to drink mineral bottled water because it's all that's good for you. It's against the way the human body was designed.

A beaver builds a dam in order to create a home. it's always been like that in nature, since beavers existed, they've always done such things. nothing altered the creature to do this.

Pain killers and such are unnatural, yes, but unnecessary. It's created to do something your body can do all on it's own given enough time. if your leg breaks, it's not meant to heal in the exact same position, it might mend wrong, and be useless to you. You could even possibly die, as you said, from starvation in the desert. If I didn't get that wisdom tooth surgery, I could have gotten my jaw damaged and been in pain the rest of my life, so I made an exception and bit the bullet so to speak. The vicodin seemedlike a good idea, but in the end it was unnecessary, so I didn't use it after I got over the initial pain (Vicodin also knocked me senseless the first two days, another idea I didn't like).

The organs would be removed once I died. I believe that I want my body to remain as it was at the time of death, even as it will decomposee and have criters crawling around it. The use of my organs to keep another human alive seems artificial to me, despite the fact that it's an organic material. His kidney failed, he should have died. His time had come, but now he's being kept alive through artificial means: Another kidney that was placed in him.
Holy crap dude. You really want to live "as God intended", then go live in a bush in some jungle, fighting animals and other inhabitants of the good old swamp. Pain killers unnatural? You are a moron and you don't know that about half of the drugs have existed in form of HERBS. People ate them, crushed them into powder, cream and so on and treated wounds with them.

Also, wow at people resorting to vicodin because of a tooth pain. Seriously? Oh, and next time you need a break surgery or you have a headache, use the same method cavemen used - a sharp-edged rock and hitting the place it hurts. Didn't work, and in 95% the patient died, but you didn't use any of the unnatural METAL stuff. Which animal uses metals? Or chemicals, or elements besides the basic ones, existing in nature everywhere (water, air and so on)?

Seems to me like you dislike the evolution process of mankind. Hope you don't have kids. I mean, you shouldn't. In the good old days, people had kids when they were 12-13. My sister would've been a grandma by now. But hey, I might be wrong. I mean, the average age of death in the good old days was about 30-40 years...
1. Was perscribed vicodin for my thoothpain. Again, did you read the part where I said I gave it up and dealt with the pain?
2. Did you read my last post at all? Where are you getting all this "Live in the bush and fight off animals" non sense? Just because I don't want my organs removed after I die? Just because I want to be buried the way I died? Who saidI want to live as god intended? I'm am athiest.
3. Yes, herbs are natural, and medicinal, congrats. I'm looking at a bottle of tylenol from my co-worker right now and there are 14-15 non medicinal ingrediants. Two of which are colouring. not EVERYTHING in medicine is in is as a medicinal use.
4. When did I say I dislike evolution? I used clothes, I use computers, whatever. Why are you pulling this so far out of context and personally attacking me?
Sorry, it's you who said about wanting to have body exactly as it died, because it's unnatural (that's what artificial means, btw - not of nature) that someone lives thanks to someone else's organs. You also said you don't like modern medicine. Which means you don't like a LARGE part of the modern life, since we are treated with modern medicine before we are even born - USG to make sure fetus is developing correctly, amnio to rule out diseases and prepare for them, the OR is FILLED with medical equipment used to perform the surgery, and we and your parents are constantly vaccinated.

If you really wanted your body the way it was born, you shouldn't have taken those vaccines, and let nature take its course.

Also, I'm attacking you because of people like you hundreds of people die instead of living. One human can save 10 other people. A pair of lungs, pair of kidneys, stomach, colon, heart and about 5 liters of blood. That's 8. Add bone marrow and "rejects" like tissue around the heart or intestines or even skin for burn victims. I literally can't believe there would be a person who could look 10 people in the eyes, one next to another, and say that he won't save their lives without ANY effort. You don't even have to do anything.

Just don't get surprised when you're going to need blood or marrow but there won't be enough because there are no donors with your blood type.
And again as I have said, I would reject an organ donor offered to me if I was offered one. If I went to the hospital tomorrow and the doctor said "You need a new heart, you can have one in ten hours" I would say no. The males in my family have a HISTORY of heart failure and not one of it (except my gandfather) has lived past 58. I have an expiration date that hangs over my head every day, and if the doc said they could replace it. I would say no.

And I want to be buried as I die yes. Me not taking painkillers isn't necessarily being AGAINST modern medicine, or again the innovation behind it. If I can get by without any form pain meds I do. I don't take them unless I must. And as I said, I see my body being emptied as being desecrated. Does the USG come from a dead corpse? Are the vaccines made from prodding the recently diceased for blood? I'm not AGAINST medication as I don't use it unless the situation is severe enough to warrant it.

As I mentioned, one day I might have a change of heart. I'm not trying to be an asshole. I'm not trying to stare the world down and give it the finger. These are my thoughts, my opinions. That's it.
 

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I honestly believe that if you aren't willing to donate organs when you're dead and won't need them or donate blood, you don't deserve to get an organ or a pint of blood to save your life. You should get want you give. If you are selfish enough to refuse to save a life once yours has expired, you have lost the right to extend yours. I'm signed up as an organ donor, I donate blood, and I will gladly give up my skin and corneas once I'm dead.
 

The Wooster

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It's very easy to claim you won't accept something until it actually happens to you. Then, strangely enough, people's opinions tend to change.

There's no compelling reason, excluding disease or religion (in some cases) to not be a donor and as I pointed out earlier, people who point out they're not a donor but wouldn't want transplants etc are, to put it kindly, completely full of shit.
 

WittyName

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I'm aware that there's really no valid reason not to be one (disregarding health and religion, and other limiting factors) but I still don't think it should be an automatic opt-in system by law.

Granted, if I were offered an organ, and had a valid reason to want to live to accomplish something, then afterwards I would probably sign up.
 

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Celtic_Kerr said:
As I mentioned, one day I might have a change of heart. I'm not trying to be an asshole. I'm not trying to stare the world down and give it the finger. These are my thoughts, my opinions. That's it.
What you describe is not "change of heart". It's called "Fearing the reaper". In your scenario, you'll feel mortal and suddenly want to survive just a little longer.

Again, thank you on behalf of humanity for making the Darwinian competition easier by eliminating yourself from it.
 

SnootyEnglishman

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Yes you are. You're preventing Overlord's like me from getting any money from the shady underground market types in the Underworld.

(Just kidding of course.)