I am NOT a donor, am I EDIT: a bad person? EDIT!

[irani_che]

when you are dead, if they take your organs, are you really going to notice?
Are you really going to care at that point?

 

[deckai]

Evil? No! Good? No!

And whole "leaving the world in the same state as you enter".. well this is a purely philosophical question... when does your life start, when does it end?

I'm pro organ donation, when I'm dead, I don't need it anymore and I would be happy if I could save someone, even after I'm dead.

Simple. First off however I must say I am not a doctor so this is all just from what I have heard from various other people. Perhaps their selection process is not as strict or perhaps there is a real reason for what they do. If I actually spoke to a surgeon and he told me it was a lie then I may change my mind. Until then...

Now. Look at how many organs are wasted. Someone gets into a car crash and snaps their neck. Their organs could be used to help plenty of people. Blood, bone marrow, lungs, heart, kidney, liver, corneas, skin, hair. Plenty of shit.
Yet if the person is a smoker or overweight they will write that entire body off and waste all those things. I mean fuck, smoking sure, hardens the heart and fucks the lungs. What about the rest of the body?
They also turn away obese bodies when the only thing wrong with them would be their hearts.

Even so. Lets say a organ is not in absolute tip top condition and thus may not work as well or for as long as their required ones, you think that is gonna matter to some poor bastard who could die within a week without these organs?
Who cares if it may only last 3 years instead of 10. I am sure he would happily take it.

So the point is, since they waste soo many perfectly usable organs they have no need of mine. Infact my adding my body as a donor would make it worse since I am giving them even more of a selection to be picky over. By denying them my body I am forcing them to either go without or to re-look at these usable organs they would otherwise waste.

Ok, here, you can only donor your organs if you have a "donor-pass" if not, you still could "give" your organs away, if a nearby doctor has a patient who could use your organs, in this case the family needs to decide.

And the other thing is, where is the point in giving a sick organ to a donor? Smoking/drinking damages a lot more than the organs you just mentioned. Just think about it... you're about to implant a damaged organ(well, you net to cut it out) in a heavy weakened body... even surviving the week would be a miracle..

And lastly, how often do you think people sue doctors because the result wasn't as great as they anticipated?

My opinion is, everyone should be seen as a donor, unless he/she decide not to. This way far less organs would be wasted, and people would still keep their right to refuse donations, for whatever reason they have.

 

[spinFX]

I am not an organ donor. The only reason being that I feel comfortable with it.

Though if I'd be in danger I would really appreciate getting someone's donor organ..

Am I a bad person?

Please be objective, I'm just wondering

EDIT:
To elaborate, I would feel kind of desecrated if people started to cut in my body, however one of my life goals is to save someone from death..

I started this thread to get some opinions and to see if anyone could change my mind, Thanks for the reactions so far!

Also: Is it possible to put terms up when you sign for donor? For example if I'd just want to give a kidney?

(Semi-changed my mind so far )

By my standards yes, you are a bad person. What possible reason could you have not to be an organ donor? And a good one, based on facts.

I think it would be just wonderful if anyone over the age of 18 who needs organs could only get them if they were signed up to donate organs.

Refusing to donate is actually the morally correct choice. So no. Donors are evil. You are good.

Is this a troll?

 

[cainstwin]

I am not an organ donor. The only reason being that I feel comfortable with it.

Though if I'd be in danger I would really appreciate getting someone's donor organ..

Am I a bad person?

Please be objective, I'm just wondering

EDIT:
To elaborate, I would feel kind of desecrated if people started to cut in my body, however one of my life goals is to save someone from death..

I started this thread to get some opinions and to see if anyone could change my mind, Thanks for the reactions so far!

Also: Is it possible to put terms up when you sign for donor? For example if I'd just want to give a kidney?

(Semi-changed my mind so far )

depends where you live I guess, but I think so

 

[Imat]

You're not evil, but you are somewhat selfish. You'd be willing to take someone else's organ when you need it, but you don't want to give yours away after you die and have no further use for them? Aside from religious reasons, I can see no justification for that, given the organs will be useless to you when you die but could prove to be very useful for someone else...

You know what i think? I reckon that everyone in the country (UK here) should automatically be made an organ donor from birth, as a legal requirement. Then, they can opt-out later if they wish to do so, but only if they can provide proper reasonable justification to a judging panel that they shouldn't have their organs donated. Obviously anyone with medical conditions preventing them from donating shouldn't be put on the list at all, but that's seperate. That way, we drastically reduce the waiting lists for organs as there are plenty more people who are donors by default, and we can still make allowances for those with good reason not to donate. Then everyone wins!

Free will should tell you how bad that plan is...Organ donation is a huge choice, one which should not be taken lightly. To eliminate that choice would be to destroy a freedom enjoyed by all, and less freedom is generally bad. Another problem would arise on who decides what a good reason is. No real way to have an unbiased judge.

EDIT:
OT:
As I said, organ donation is a huge choice. I don't think you're in the wrong to choose either way.

 

[Hafnium]

Just selfish.
I'm an organ donor, it's not exactly a challenge. You don't have to do anything (and the government won't steal your organs while you are alive!), and you don't need them when dead. I have allowed everything to be used, I'd probably get cremated anyway when I go. I also give blood 4 times a year (I'd do it more often but it's not allowed except for an emergency shortage).

 

[Death God]

Your a bad person, you just don't like the idea of being dead and have to have your family know that your insides are being literally ripped out for someone else. I'm an organ donor only because, heck, I'm dead. What am I going to use them for?

 

[mobsterlobster]

I saw this thread after 8 pages of replies, so I've not had time to go through them and see if someone's said something similar to this or not already, but I'm an organ donor, because whatever happens when you die, whether you go to heaven or become a ghost or just die, your body decomposes anyway. Why would you need any of it when you're a ghost or in heaven or whatever? If your spirit leaves your body when your die, and goes off to do it's own thing (I don't know what people believe) your spirit is indepenent of your body, your spirit goes away, your body rots. Might as well give those useless, spiritless organs to someone who needs them.
I don't believe in spirits though. I think when you die, you're dead, and that's it.

 

[Accountfailed]

Also I would very much prefer my organs to go to save little sally cancer as opposed to big business diabetic and hospital wing donator.

Because the little girl is implicitly a better person? more worthy of saving? doing more for the world? has potential?
The diabetic has donated a wing to a hospital, ergo increasing it's capacity for saving lives and doing good. The little girl hasn't done anything for anyone, she's a little girl, they're not supposed to.
And the whole potential thing is pointless, she has the potential to be good or bad.
Your choice isn't based on any reason and by judging others and deciding their fate you put yourself on a pillar like those you accuse of being self-important.

This pillar argument could go on all day, I could say that you're putting YOURSELF on a pillar for looking down on me for a statement you took out of context.
peoples potential has nothing to do with my argument. My point (which you missed like a blind sniper trying to hit a moving target when the barrel is blocked up with dirt) was that you do not know what will happen to your organs, Dear Sally cancer and Mr. Diabetic were simply stereotypical examples of the people you think it will go to (ie: the media stereotype of a broken down little child only YOU (yes you!) can save) and the person it could go to (I was remarking on the very real possibility that certain "hospitals" will bump hospital wing donors to the top of transplant lists in order to keep them alive and the money flowing.) respectively.

The funny thing is that I pretty much pointed this out in the rest of the paragraph.

people forget that when you donate organs you donate them to ANYONE, not just the media sensationalist small teen who gets straight A's or the loveable children with their whole lives ahead of them, assholes gets saved too.

I can't honestly say whether or not you actually read the rest of my post, but I can say that because you have the sheer audacity to chop out a sentence and then remark on that sentence alone without taking the rest of the post or even the goddamn paragraph into account, that you are on a pillar that's far higher then mine. perhaps the next time you post you should remember that People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Also, remember that hypothetical situation I was talking about in my first paragraph?(if you read it, that is). Well, That is far closer to the truth then I realized. [http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2008/05/12/prca0512.htm]

 

[Sir-jackington]

theres nothing wrong with not being a donor, im only a donor because i don't see much point in keeping 'em, not that they'll be much use

 

[Prof. Monkeypox]

I don't see a problem with letting people take my organs, so long as I 'm dead first (what would I do with them anyway). However, I understand that the process of becoming an organ donor scares some people. Surely some people feel "violated" if their organs are removed, and such a thing forces people to come to terms with their own mortality.

While I think it would be nice of you to become an organ donor, not becoming one is karmatically neutral.

 

[Lion_Slicer]

Refusing to donate is actually the morally correct choice. So no. Donors are evil. You are good.

So the point is, since they waste soo many perfectly usable organs they have no need of mine. Infact my adding my body as a donor would make it worse since I am giving them even more of a selection to be picky over. By denying them my body I am forcing them to either go without or to re-look at these usable organs they would otherwise waste.

As far as I am concerned, your justification for your original statement is completely illogical, not to mention completely hypocritical.

You are basically saying that people who donate organs are evil because some medical professionals have come to the conclusion that their organs aren't suitable. Therefore, by not donating, you are morally right because they now have less organs to find a possible match and must make do with organs that aren't any good. I am sorry, but that doesn't make any sense at all.
By donating, people aren't just giving them "more of a selection to be picky over," they are giving them more options so that they may actually find a suitable organ.

The flaw in your argument comes from the misconception you made where you said by not donating, you're making them rethink their "waste of usable organs." They don't waste usable organs at all. There is a process in place to define what is and what isn't a usable organ. You can't just shove any old liver in to any person requiring a liver transplant, that isn't how it works.
Also, I think you'll find that in obese people and in smokers, more than just one organ is affected by their lifestyle choices.

Now to address the hypocrisy in your argument.
You claim that you're taking your organs with you as some sort of moral crusade to prove some obscure point. From a logical standpoint, you are worse than the medical professionals you are falsely claiming waste organs. The reason for this is, by taking them with you, not only are you wasting them too. You aren't even giving them a chance for your organs to be selected for donation. So you are much worse than the medical professionals you criticised in your justification.

If you can't tell already, I am all for organ donation. If people don't wish to donate for whatever reason, I am fine with that because I believe in free choice. However, when I am being told that I am evil because I wish to donate organs, then I have to take a stand.
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I live in Australia where we have a poor system when it comes to donation. I can declare that I want to donate my organs, I can broadcast on national television so that everybody knows my wishes but when I die my family get the final say and in many cases in Australia, the grieving family declines.

As others have suggested, I wish for a system where from birth everybody is a donor. Of course because I believe in free choice, all you have to do to opt-out is say you don't want to donate.
If it is such a big issue to people they can go and opt-out. If it isn't an issue for people they can stay on the donation register and donate to help others in need.

 

[SnipErlite]

So the point is, since they waste soo many perfectly usable organs they have no need of mine. Infact my adding my body as a donor would make it worse since I am giving them even more of a selection to be picky over. By denying them my body I am forcing them to either go without or to re-look at these usable organs they would otherwise waste.

Wait, what? That's some trolling, right?

There's a huge shortage of organs. Not because they're being picky (organs they aren't sure will work and be accepted are still used because there's no other choice) but because hardly anyone donates.

I'm curious, you're actually serious about them being 'picky'??

 

[Kwatsu]

Also: Is it possible to put terms up when you sign for donor? For example if I'd just want to give a kidney?

(Semi-changed my mind so far )

At least in the UK, I think there are checkboxes on your donor card if you want to donate a kidney but not, say, your corneas, or you can check the one that says "any part of my body".

I'm a donor because I don't have strong religious beliefs about my organs, and I like the idea that even if I die in a stupid bus accident or something like that, some good will come out of it. I also have a friend who's a heart-lung-kidney transplant patient, and seeing how much she values life because of it is very meaningful.

If I remember rightly, research shows that a lot of people aren't organ donors not because of religious belief, or personal preference, but because they've never thought about it, and when they do they often decide "yeah, why not?" If we had an automatic opt-in for organ donation, but people were free to change their minds and say "no" at any point, there'd be a lot more donated organs and a lot more people with a new lease on life.

 

[Unesh52]

I've never understood why people get so possessive of their body after they're done with it. It's like getting mad at someone for stealing your toilet paper after you've, eh... you know...

I'm an organ donor. I think everyone should be, and in fact I think everyone should be a donor until they make it known they don't want to. Like, instead of it saying "organ donor" on your driver's license if you are, it should say "organ retainer" if you aren't. (Organ hoarder? Organ... collector?)

 

[De-Moti]

No, you're just hypocritical.

 

[DarkRyter]

Refusal to do good things doesn't make you a bad person.

Doing bad things does.