I am NOT a donor, am I EDIT: a bad person? EDIT!
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I kinda had to splice this one a bit, so you would feel desecrated if your organs were taken from you but you would not object when an organ is taken from another to save you? You're kind of a hypocrite.headshotcatcher said:
Yeah, pretty much this.emeraldrafael said:
I'm an organ donor because what exactly am I going to use them for once I'm dead? Not much, I expect.
Hypocritical, maybe. I'd hardly call you a bad person, though. Why do you feel uncomfortable about being a doner, anyway? I'm curious to know. I wouldn't mind myself, seeing as i'll be dead.
I believe that all of the dead should have their organs donated. Certain observances should be made not to destroy the body entirely for people of certain religious faiths, but you don't need your organs anymore after death. By my utilitarian system of morality, not being an organ donor is immoral. Whether you are a bad person or not, on the larger scale, depends on many things. However, I would say that, knowing only that you are not an organ donor about you, and judging only off of that, that you are a bad person.
As I said though, that is not enough information for a reasonable assessment. I'm certain you would outclass me in morality, by my own moral system which you may not even agree with, in at least one area, just because most people do.
As I said though, that is not enough information for a reasonable assessment. I'm certain you would outclass me in morality, by my own moral system which you may not even agree with, in at least one area, just because most people do.
No, people don't have to give away their body parts if they don't want. But really all people should be organ donors, you can save/drastically a half a dozen different lives. The circumstances where you can take organs are pretty specific so even if people are registered they may not be able to give their organs. The standards of declaring a person dead legally are actually much higher if you want their organs, so it's not like doctors just give up people for their organs (they're way too overworked to be that emotionally invested also).
My dad told me he'd donate my organs regardless of my current wishes, simply because logically he knows how many lives they'd save and emotionally to him parts of his son (me) would still live on in other people.
My dad told me he'd donate my organs regardless of my current wishes, simply because logically he knows how many lives they'd save and emotionally to him parts of his son (me) would still live on in other people.
Well so far we've gathered the ad hominem attacks aren't getting us anywhere so we'll leave the pillar argument out of further discourse (although I'd like to know if the initial comment on the pointlessness of said argument and finishing your post by reviving it was intentionally ridiculous or just the result of a poorly-structured argument.)Accountfailed said:
So for your benefit I'll go through the whole post, something I didn't do in the first place because none of the points brought up were of interest to me.
So we begin with you attacking the people who disagree with you instead of their arguments. I know, I know, because they started it right? They used "hypocrite" so you call them "self-righteous", makes perfect sense. I notice you like your idioms as much as using bold font so how about an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind? Either way, not what I wanted to discuss.
Then you talk about your choices for not being a donor. More valid than "I'm uncomfortable with it" but not something I wasn't interested in discussing, so I didn't quote it or bring it up. I have read but not discussed the link you provided in your most recent post about the doctor allegedly killing the man for his organs because of the reasons provided above: I'm not interested in why you're not a donor.
You start with saying that organs are donated to anyone. I was aware of that, didn't stop me being one and didn't have any relevance to why I became one.
Then you've got the massive assumption that people are organ donors because of advertising. I don't doubt the veracity of your claim but it didn't apply to me, I'm not one of the people who is an organ donor because of advertising. If you find it relevant then I am one because in my opinion I can't think of a reason not to be.
The final part about "assholes" getting saved was pretty much included in what I was asking about.
More about your opinions on why you aren't an organ donor, which I've already stated wasn't what I wanted to discuss and then a statement about people having choices which is fine.
So I've covered the rest of your post and as you can see it wasn't relevant to the question being asked so it wasn't included. It didn't provide any context to the statement I was interested in discussing so it wasn't included. Your point wasn't what I wanted to discuss so it wasn't included.
Your statement
was what my questions were focused on so it was included.
So I'll try again and I'd appreciate it if you'd answer the question. I'll rephrase it without the attempts to guess why you chose the cancer girl.
Why would you prefer your organs to go to save little sally cancer instead of big business diabetic and hospital wing donator?
Please try to answer the question this time.
I've got a kinda strange and illogical stance on this.
when I die, docs are pretty much welcome to hollow me and out and use everything...
Except my eyes.
That's the only thing that spooks me, I want my eyes going to the grave with me. All the internals I don't care about, but I'm squicky about eye stuff, and should I be completely wrong and there is an afterlife, I don't want to have to rely on only hearing it.
Yes, I'm mental. But I figure I'll save lives with the heart, liver, lungs, kidneys, etc. I'm pissing off one blind guy, but saving a few lives in the process.
To me that's like tipping a disabled person out of a wheelchair to win £10,000 for charity, it's sort of ok.
when I die, docs are pretty much welcome to hollow me and out and use everything...
Except my eyes.
That's the only thing that spooks me, I want my eyes going to the grave with me. All the internals I don't care about, but I'm squicky about eye stuff, and should I be completely wrong and there is an afterlife, I don't want to have to rely on only hearing it.
Yes, I'm mental. But I figure I'll save lives with the heart, liver, lungs, kidneys, etc. I'm pissing off one blind guy, but saving a few lives in the process.
To me that's like tipping a disabled person out of a wheelchair to win £10,000 for charity, it's sort of ok.
To piggy back after this, the one thing that we as humans are guarenteed from birth to death is a body, whatever state it may be in. It is our god given right to decide what to do with our body not only in life but in death. The ability to give your organs is your choice, and refusing to do so does not make you a bad person nor a hypocrite. I am not an organ donor, but if recieving an organ would save me I would take it. That does not make me a hypocrite it just means that I still place a value on my life.Accountfailed said:
To the group of people that suggest that the government make organ donation an 'opt out' system I ask this. Should any governing body be allowed the authority decide what happens to the denizens of its land without their permission? I say no. Making the default system one that allows my organs to be removed violates my human right to my own body.
There are a number of reasons why a person can accept or refuse to donate organs. But because they choose not to does not make them a bad person. If you choose not to donate organs don't let others try to guilt trip you into making that choice because in the end It's your choice
I've had 2 kidney transplants, so yes, you are a bad person. Seriously though, it's not up to you, it's up to your next of kin in case you ever become brain dead and your fall into the eligibilty requirements for a donor. Whether or not your 'organ donor' box is checked on your license, it ultimately becomes someone else's decision whther or not you even become an organ donor.
Reminds me of a Simon Armitage poemTimeLord said:
I've made out a will; I'm leaving myself
to the National Health. I'm sure they can use
the jellies and tubes and syrups and glues,
the web of nerves and veins, the loaf of brains,
and assortment of fillings and stitches and wounds,
blood - a gallon exactly of bilberry soup -
the chassis or cage or cathedral of bone;
but not the heart, they can leave that alone.
They can have the lot, the whole stock:
the loops and coils and sprockets and springs and rods,
the twines and cords and strands,
the face, the case, the cogs and the hands,
but not the pendulum, the ticker;
leave that where it stops or hangs.
to the National Health. I'm sure they can use
the jellies and tubes and syrups and glues,
the web of nerves and veins, the loaf of brains,
and assortment of fillings and stitches and wounds,
blood - a gallon exactly of bilberry soup -
the chassis or cage or cathedral of bone;
but not the heart, they can leave that alone.
They can have the lot, the whole stock:
the loops and coils and sprockets and springs and rods,
the twines and cords and strands,
the face, the case, the cogs and the hands,
but not the pendulum, the ticker;
leave that where it stops or hangs.
Desecration always seemed more of a disrespect thing.
Personally I figure that all my parts will get absorbed into something else anyway so what does it matter if a larger part is removed and placed in someone else?
It's all getting recycled somehow.
i dont personally believe in an afterlife, but the concept is basically that you float up to heaven if your good, or something like that, right? logically, organs would just make you heavier and less capable of floating. seems to me you'd want to get rid of those organs. but no, your organs will not be useful after death. i dont think your gonna go to heaven and be excluded from events, because you dont have a certain number of organsheadshotcatcher said:
QuantumWalker said:
So which is it. Is it from birth to death or is it beyond death?
With an opt out system, you still have the right to your own body. The government won't take control until you are deceased and you have the option to tell them to leave you alone before then.
If you choose to opt out, then you can keep your organs when you are dead. Not that you'll have much use for them.
If you didn't opt out, then the issue of organ donation didn't concern you that much and by that point you'll be too dead to care.
It doesn't even have to apply at birth. They can make it so that for children who die, it is up to the parents to decide. When they turn 18 they're put on the register and from there they can opt out.
No, you're not evil. Evil doesn't exist. At least you care about people; just not enough to overcome some ridiculous and illogical urge to keep your body whole after death. So clearly you don't care about them much after all.
Personally I wouldn't want to be a donor because I might accidentally save the life of someone I don't like. I don't care about what happens to my body though. They could chop it up and use it as dog food for all I care. Hell, they could ignore my wishes and take my organs anyway. I wouldn't care. I'd be dead.
Personally I wouldn't want to be a donor because I might accidentally save the life of someone I don't like. I don't care about what happens to my body though. They could chop it up and use it as dog food for all I care. Hell, they could ignore my wishes and take my organs anyway. I wouldn't care. I'd be dead.