Gonna.....kill.....someone.......rage....boiling.....inside.
Where does the creator of this live? he needs to be made an example of.
Where does the creator of this live? he needs to be made an example of.
I believe we may just have a gaming travesty on our hands...
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It's got to go one way or the other. It can either go further mainstream, or fold itself back into obscurity where games are made by elitists for elitists on minimal budgets and with a focus on gameplay elements that transcend the need for a game to have a big budget in order to be worthwhile (once again, I offer Fallout 1&2 as examples). Back when games were that far under everyone's radar, companies existed to make a decent profit by doing it for love of the game. The last time I saw a game made in this manner was Chris Sawyer's Locomotion, which came out in 2004 but looked like it came out in 1995 (literally; the thing was virtally an XP port of Transport Tycoon Deluxe). I wouldn't be opposed to this sort of regression in the technology if it meant a return to viability for the games and genres that built the medium.nilcypher said:
If we were to become that obscure, the games-are-for-hardcore-gamers mentality would put us in a position where, much as we were before games went mainstream in the first place, nobody considered games in general (and PC games in particular) to be a bankable media story. You can't build a political issue off of something that doesn't resonate with your typical white-bread yokel who watches Fox News. No political issue, no potential for controversy, and Fallout 4 brings back child-killing in another city that looks better in the Fallout universe than it does in real life (they're at least three-for-three on this one with Reno, Washington, and Pittsburgh).
The other end of the argument is to continue to fight an uphill battle with convincing the ignorant masses that escapism through video games is harmless and potentially healthy. Forgive me if my faith in human nature isn't high enough to make such an opinion tenable. The more garbage that gets shoveled onto shelves, the more game companies treat gamers as someone to whom they throw a bone once in a blue moon (q.v. Ico and Shadow of the Colossus---games like that come out so infrequently that it's actually news when a game comes out that gamers like! You don't see a problem with this?) Eventually the hardcore gamers are all driven off, the casual imbeciles find something newer and shinier to distract them from their worthless lives, and it's 1983 all over again, only this time we don't have Miamoto's mustachioed plumbers to rise from the ashes.
You're damn right I'm happy to skulk in the shadows. Part of this is that I'm a singleplayer kind of guy (as many, MANY rants on this site have proven over the last eight months), but the other part of this is that thanks to gaming's inability to achieve a critical mass required to push it out of the sort of uncanny valley effect it's gotten itself into in terms of public perception, the first thing out of people's mouths when they find out I'm a gamer is "World of Warcraft? You should get some sun" or "Do you play Grand Theft Auto? I hope you don't kill me." I liked people's reactions better when they were just "huh? What's that?"
You can advance the medium all you want, but I continue to maintain that quality is inversely proportional to something's appeal to the proles.
That was sarcastic? I don't see how. All we get today is nonsense like Twilight, and if something good manages to slip by, it gets raped by shitty sequels with ten times the budged and a tenth of the creativity. The good stuff is mostly unknown niche products for small groups.nilcypher said:
But I digress. You probably remember the ridiculous reaction to Mass Effect's supposed sexual content in the US. Awareness of games like Rockband or Wii Sports, that whole Casual corner, doesn't help "us gamers" in the slightest. Sure, games have entered the public mind much more as of late, but that didn't stop anyone from blaming good old Counterstrike when some deranged youth ran amok a few weeks ago in Germany. Nor will it ever, even if every last person on the world owns a Wii. That's because they still see this medium as an idle plaything without depth. The mass doesn't know any more about what we call "Gaming" than it did ten or twenty years ago, but back then lesser people cared, so there was room for creativity. I remember times when they wrote "Not for kids, you idiots!" on their games and that was enough.
And shows like this simply make fun of us. They laugh in our face. That's why many here want nothing to do with this.
WTF!!! excuse me but why? why would anyone care for such a stupid idea that has already been decide on who wins and loses? more importantly why games? why not another lame ass amarican idole? WHY!?
its offical i hate hummanity and scifi.
its offical i hate hummanity and scifi.
don't know if it's been posted yet, but:
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?
wouldn't be so bad if it was starcraft or something, but rockband? come one...
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?
wouldn't be so bad if it was starcraft or something, but rockband? come one...
Same here.Darkrai said:
Puts things into perspective, doesn't it? The intention of videogames is to actually play them, rather than just watch people playing them. That's my problem with other sports: if I'm not playing cricket, tennis, tenpin bowling etc., don't expect me to not be bored.
It's not particularly the first time I've seen something like this, unfortunately... =/
I caught a friend of mine watching on some ESPN channel or another some televised Madden tournament that struck the same dissonant chords the video above did. They even had the finals out in some square in New York, I believe. I was too busy dying inside to really pay attention. Sports is one thing, but gamers being televised in a competition, and commentated like it's the Super Bowl is just something I'm having trouble swallowing. >_>
I caught a friend of mine watching on some ESPN channel or another some televised Madden tournament that struck the same dissonant chords the video above did. They even had the finals out in some square in New York, I believe. I was too busy dying inside to really pay attention. Sports is one thing, but gamers being televised in a competition, and commentated like it's the Super Bowl is just something I'm having trouble swallowing. >_>
I agree about the Wii, but I've also seen a ton of casual games exclusively for the PC. I don't disagree with your point, it just seems to me like casual games (and gamers) are everywhere and not limited consoles.ThorUK said:
It's not particularly the first time I've seen something like this, unfortunately... =/
I caught a friend of mine watching on some ESPN channel or another some televised Madden tournament that struck the same dissonant chords the video above did. They even had the finals out in some square in New York, I believe. I was too busy dying inside to really pay attention. Sports is one thing, but gamers being televised in a competition, and commentated like it's the Super Bowl is just something I'm having trouble swallowing. >_>
I caught a friend of mine watching on some ESPN channel or another some televised Madden tournament that struck the same dissonant chords the video above did. They even had the finals out in some square in New York, I believe. I was too busy dying inside to really pay attention. Sports is one thing, but gamers being televised in a competition, and commentated like it's the Super Bowl is just something I'm having trouble swallowing. >_>
lol that ***** crying over how hard it is to play video games and be put on national tv and get to do some of the most insane and fun things in however long that lasts when most people will only be able to do one of those in thier liftime
2 words: Starcraft & Korea.Notashrimp09 said:
It is a national sport for them. Personally, I don't get sports on TV, so this makes about as much sense.
Oh yeah, there's no end to the useless, retarded or casual games for the PC, but you only really hear about the decent games, usually; with consoles it just so happens you end up hearing quite a bit more about casual games than you do with PC. Might be just the adverts skewing my perception though, don't see that many ads for PC games compared to console.twistedshadows said:
If this promotes the gaming industry, I really don't care about what else it does.
If people want to be locked up in a house to play games then PRETEND to play them in real life obstacle courses, with the camera on them all the time, then good luck to them. They might even like the experience, attention seekers that people on reality TV usually are.
Who cares about people's impressions of gaming? The truth is what matters. And we know what that is even if TV viewers don't.
Let these poor sods think they're the champions of the gaming world. They're not but it's probably a bright joy to their little lives. And it may help their careers too.
If people want to be locked up in a house to play games then PRETEND to play them in real life obstacle courses, with the camera on them all the time, then good luck to them. They might even like the experience, attention seekers that people on reality TV usually are.
Who cares about people's impressions of gaming? The truth is what matters. And we know what that is even if TV viewers don't.
Let these poor sods think they're the champions of the gaming world. They're not but it's probably a bright joy to their little lives. And it may help their careers too.
I have to suffer hearing quite a bit about casual PC games, unfortunately. It's wholly by word of mouth, though, and not from advertisements so maybe it's my perception that's skewed. And I heartily agree that console games are advertised (ridiculously) more than PC games.ThorUK said:
If you really want to believe that your "golden age" wasn't full of crappy titles with a few gems scattered about, then nothing anyone says will matter to you. Great entertainment has always been outnumbered by stuff you'd rather didn't exist. Every new form of media has to go through this trial period, and at the end it will either emerge stronger for the experience or self-destruct through an inability to attract new customers. History bears this out with comics, film, and television and there's no reason to believe that the gaming industry is so different as to be immune to this.SimuLord said: