I can honestly say I have never been this disgusted

[ClaptonKnophlerHendrix]

i guess its pretty cruel... but hey, theres a lot of kids dying of starvation out there... who cares about them! lets worry about the dogs

The reason I posted this instead of something on starving kids or sex slaves is this is something that could easily be stopped, with pressure from the UN on China. Dying kids is an issue due to poverty and that is much harder to fix, not to mention that everyone is aware of starvation in Africa, whereas not many people are aware of this issue as far as I'm aware.

You're about 15 and are not yet well learned in the ways of the world, but the UN have far more pressing matters to handle than a few blokes hurting animals. We do still have a credit crunch on our hands, and shutting down a major Chinese business hurts China's economy and thus the economy of each country China trades with.

Yeah I am 15. And I understand that every extra cost that we add to a business affects how that business trades and therefore the economy of the entire country and to a lesser extent the global economy (I'm taking a course in commerce, not that that means I'm a knowledgeable source). But I doubt the economy would suffer much of a loss from something as simple as killing an animal humanely. And whilst I probably don't have too much of a grip on how the world is run I know damn well that I don't like how it is run. And I don't think it would take much, just some effort from the global powers to fix it up a little bit. Besides the UN lately is a piss-weak attempt at running the world to the purposes of the US, Britain and France and doesn't take the job of animal rights or human rights nearly seriously enough (see guantanamo).

 

[Insanum]

I'm not normally a big animal rights protester, but I had this fowarded to me and nearly threw up in complete and utter revulsion. Don't watch this video if you get sick easily. Its a video on the chinese fur farms and the horrible things happening there. They have been skinning the animals alive, which they say is "for a better cut". I apologise deeply if this offends anyone but it really should, this has to be stopped. Im not asking for signatures or anything I just want to throw this out there.
Anyway here's the link, again don't watch if you have an easily upsetable stomach. http://www.peta.org/feat/ChineseFurFarms/index.asp
Mods: If this video is too graphic please tell me.

You quite honestly never seen two girls one cup. *twitch*

In all seriousness though:

I'm all for medical[/I] testing, Cosmetic testing should be outright banned, But in this day and age unless selling petitions on Ebay would generate enough funds for it to not be economically viable for these companies to do it, then signing things is generally useless.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

I don't mind people killing animals to use for stuff, but for fucks sake, at least have the decency to kill them BEFORE you start slicing shit up.

 

[Kriptonite]

I'm staying away from this one.

 

[Tonimata]

Har.Har har har har. This brings back such memories. I got this forwarded to me on some other social network, and yes, what was it that I said? OOOH yes I remember.

FAKE

Let's think about it logically, ok? First off, say you run one of those fur farms. No need to overstate the fact that you're more than aware that you're running an illegal business by any standards, and that animal rights activists are going to want to shoot you down. Would you honestly, would you really be so stupid as to allow people in your installations with cameras? I don't think I would. Besides, the methods for animal skinning are much more advanced than these, and if anything, they wouldn't be skinning them by hand, using machines instead, since of course they have no care for the animal's welfare. Besides, we all know just who the PETA are. Am I the only one who remembers the Virginia cases? Just as a reminder, they killed animals, and the other members of the organization defended the murderers. I wouldn't be surprised if this is all staged by them.

I'm open for debate, as well as flaming.

It did say on the email that it was filmed with the use of a secret camera.

Awwww, ain't you nice for reminding me of another thing I said on the other post? Yes, if it indeed were a hidden camera, we'd find two things
A) The camera wouls move a lot, considering that the cameraman would also be moving, meaning the shot would be unstable and always in movement. Instead, we get what seems to be a very good shot that tries to capture the cruelty inflicted on the animals as well as possible. And no, don't even think about sayin the guy simply put them there, colelcted them afterwards, unless you can prove a way for the guy to put a camera in mid air, as well as the fact that the odds the camera would be found or accidentally tripped upon are huge.
B) Hidden cameras, you see, have this tendency to have one of two major problems: one, the fact that they're small makes the resolution of the shot very, very low, and the shots on the video prove otherwise. The other reason, which brings me back to my first one, is the fact that the ones with good resolution are, by force, bigger, hence not hidden at all.

I'm STILL open for debate.

 

[ClaptonKnophlerHendrix]

snip.

It did say on the email that it was filmed with the use of a secret camera.

Awwww, ain't you nice for reminding me of another thing I said on the other post? Yes, if it indeed were a hidden camera, we'd find two things
A) The camera wouls move a lot, considering that the cameraman would also be moving, meaning the shot would be unstable and always in movement. Instead, we get what seems to be a very good shot that tries to capture the cruelty inflicted on the animals as well as possible. And no, don't even think about sayin the guy simply put them there, colelcted them afterwards, unless you can prove a way for the guy to put a camera in mid air, as well as the fact that the odds the camera would be found or accidentally tripped upon are huge.
B) Hidden cameras, you see, have this tendency to have one of two major problems: one, the fact that they're small makes the resolution of the shot very, very low, and the shots on the video prove otherwise. The other reason, which brings me back to my first one, is the fact that the ones with good resolution are, by force, bigger, hence not hidden at all.

I'm STILL open for debate.

Regardless of whether you're right or wrong you've now cemented yourself as a dick. And you can remain open for debate as long as you want nobody cares enough to have a serious discussion with you.

 

[Tonimata]

snip.

It did say on the email that it was filmed with the use of a secret camera.

Awwww, ain't you nice for reminding me of another thing I said on the other post? Yes, if it indeed were a hidden camera, we'd find two things
A) The camera wouls move a lot, considering that the cameraman would also be moving, meaning the shot would be unstable and always in movement. Instead, we get what seems to be a very good shot that tries to capture the cruelty inflicted on the animals as well as possible. And no, don't even think about sayin the guy simply put them there, colelcted them afterwards, unless you can prove a way for the guy to put a camera in mid air, as well as the fact that the odds the camera would be found or accidentally tripped upon are huge.
B) Hidden cameras, you see, have this tendency to have one of two major problems: one, the fact that they're small makes the resolution of the shot very, very low, and the shots on the video prove otherwise. The other reason, which brings me back to my first one, is the fact that the ones with good resolution are, by force, bigger, hence not hidden at all.

I'm STILL open for debate.

Regardless of whether you're right or wrong you've now cemented yourself as a dick. And you can remain open for debate as long as you want nobody cares enough to have a serious discussion with you.

Heh, looks like you wanna play a game called "STATE THE OBVIOUS"
I've won
Your turn?

Seriously now, have I insulted you? No. I made a point, and you tried to contradict me. You failed, and then you saw it fit to insult me. And I'm the one cementing himself as a male reproductive organ? I have nothing against you, but if you wanna start a ***** fight...

 

[ClaptonKnophlerHendrix]

snip.

It did say on the email that it was filmed with the use of a secret camera.

Awwww, ain't you nice for reminding me of another thing I said on the other post? Yes, if it indeed were a hidden camera, we'd find two things
A) The camera wouls move a lot, considering that the cameraman would also be moving, meaning the shot would be unstable and always in movement. Instead, we get what seems to be a very good shot that tries to capture the cruelty inflicted on the animals as well as possible. And no, don't even think about sayin the guy simply put them there, colelcted them afterwards, unless you can prove a way for the guy to put a camera in mid air, as well as the fact that the odds the camera would be found or accidentally tripped upon are huge.
B) Hidden cameras, you see, have this tendency to have one of two major problems: one, the fact that they're small makes the resolution of the shot very, very low, and the shots on the video prove otherwise. The other reason, which brings me back to my first one, is the fact that the ones with good resolution are, by force, bigger, hence not hidden at all.

I'm STILL open for debate.

Regardless of whether you're right or wrong you've now cemented yourself as a dick. And you can remain open for debate as long as you want nobody cares enough to have a serious discussion with you.

Heh, looks like you wanna play a game called "STATE THE OBVIOUS"
I've won
Your turn?

Seriously now, have I insulted you? No. I made a point, and you tried to contradict me. You failed, and then you saw it fit to insult me. And I'm the one cementing himself as a male reproductive organ? I have nothing against you, but if you wanna start a ***** fight...

You act like a douche and expect me to talk nicely to you? I calmly stated my orignal and secondary point and you went and acted smug and self important and seem to think that thats ok? You might be a smart guy but god, you dont act like it. And even if you are smart you're not a third as smart as you seem to think you are.

 

[Tonimata]

snip.

It did say on the email that it was filmed with the use of a secret camera.

Awwww, ain't you nice for reminding me of another thing I said on the other post? Yes, if it indeed were a hidden camera, we'd find two things
A) The camera wouls move a lot, considering that the cameraman would also be moving, meaning the shot would be unstable and always in movement. Instead, we get what seems to be a very good shot that tries to capture the cruelty inflicted on the animals as well as possible. And no, don't even think about sayin the guy simply put them there, colelcted them afterwards, unless you can prove a way for the guy to put a camera in mid air, as well as the fact that the odds the camera would be found or accidentally tripped upon are huge.
B) Hidden cameras, you see, have this tendency to have one of two major problems: one, the fact that they're small makes the resolution of the shot very, very low, and the shots on the video prove otherwise. The other reason, which brings me back to my first one, is the fact that the ones with good resolution are, by force, bigger, hence not hidden at all.

I'm STILL open for debate.

Regardless of whether you're right or wrong you've now cemented yourself as a dick. And you can remain open for debate as long as you want nobody cares enough to have a serious discussion with you.

Heh, looks like you wanna play a game called "STATE THE OBVIOUS"
I've won
Your turn?

Seriously now, have I insulted you? No. I made a point, and you tried to contradict me. You failed, and then you saw it fit to insult me. And I'm the one cementing himself as a male reproductive organ? I have nothing against you, but if you wanna start a ***** fight...

You act like a douche and expect me to talk nicely to you? I calmly stated my orignal and secondary point and you went and acted smug and self important and seem to think that thats ok? You might be a smart guy but god, you dont act like it. And even if you are smart you're not a third as smart as you seem to think you are.

I'm acting like a shower? Seriously, get your insults right . Besides, you only stated one point, that being that a hidden camera was used to film the images. I simply contradicted that, with incredible amounts of smugness, yes, yet that does not give you the right to openly attack me calling me a dick. Also, if I managed to state those initial points against the thread topic AND also succesfully contradicted you with more than enough acceptable basis and evidence, I think I both am and acted smartly enough to compensate for my huge ego, Smarty Mc Smartenson.

Nice contradicting you

 

[Ajna]

i guess its pretty cruel... but hey, theres a lot of kids dying of starvation out there... who cares about them! lets worry about the dogs

Yeah. Kids dying of starvation "Out there". Off in Ethiopia (not to bash Ethiopia). There are dogs dying of starvation "right here". So yes, let's worry about the dogs. I sure as fuck don't plan to drag your ass out of a burning building, so you'd best make the dogs happy.

wait so you have to make a dog happy before you will save some one?

No. I'm not going to save an asshole, but a dog might. So he'd best make friends with a dog.

I think he was sarcastic

I think he was/is a moron.

 

[Kubanator]

Yeah I am 15. And I understand that every extra cost that we add to a business affects how that business trades and therefore the economy of the entire country and to a lesser extent the global economy (I'm taking a course in commerce, not that that means I'm a knowledgeable source). But I doubt the economy would suffer much of a loss from something as simple as killing an animal humanely.

The extra time spent on killing the animal decrease the production of the facility, decreasing the profitability, and resulting in the firing of workers, who will not be able to find another job, and will starve to death.

And whilst I probably don't have too much of a grip on how the world is run I know damn well that I don't like how it is run.

Then run it.

And I don't think it would take much, just some effort from the global powers to fix it up a little bit. Besides the UN lately is a piss-weak attempt at running the world to the purposes of the US, Britain and France and doesn't take the job of animal rights or human rights nearly seriously enough (see guantanamo).

The United Nations was created to protect the sovereignty of nations, not to control the world. The United Nations will not, and cannot force nations to comply to it's standards. The thing is, for every person that gets tortured, or starves, ten more would die if the UN would not prevent violence from breaking out.

 

[dallan262]

im a human, i eat other animals

Does the fact that they are a source of food or clothing for us make it okay to torture them? No. It should be done painlessly. We can justify killing them for food and the like, but they shouldn't have to suffer in the process.

its people like you and such that cause 5 car pile ups on a motorway becuse you tried to swerve out the way from a pigeon.

seariously we are animals and its what we do

do you think a lion would stop to think if its giving you a "painless torture free" death no they dont give a fuck about you so why should we give a fuck about our food? at the end of the day its going to be dead.

also i like it how people think that other animals think and process pain in exactly the same we do

hey, moron, read my second post in response to this, where I, like a few others on this thread, point out that just because wild animals do it, doesn't make it okay for us. And by the way, I'm right. Oh, and one more thing, you piece of shit, no, that shit you were talkin about causing a crash, no that's not me. If you actually thought about something before simply spraying shit out of your mouth, you'd notice that I said killing them is okay, torturing them is not. So no, fuckwit, that would never happen to me. From now on, PAY ATTENTION to ALL of what is said before you start throwing around bullshit insults and accusations. Fuckin piece of shit, why don't you just get off the forums, retard.

hello, well someone has got sand in her vagina.

by the way do you like shove in sware words and commas then hope for the best?

 

[Emperor Inferno]

hello, well someone has got sand in her vagina.

by the way do you like shove in sware words and commas then hope for the best?

Dude, do you ever shut up? Seriously, this argument is getting old. The whole "five car pileup" comment was wrong, and you know it. You pissed me off when you insulted me, I cussed you out because of it, there. We're even. Can we drop this now, please? I'm sick of getting quote notifications in my inbox over this idiotic (on both sides, including myself) argument.

 

[Daveman]

that's sick and stupid. 1) surely it's more difficult to skin something that's writhing around? 2) they can't even stun them properly! it just takes a firm bat to the back of the head while they're pinned, way more effective than trying to whack them with sticks and hit them on the ground.

that's so ridiculous I'm tempted to call bullshit on this and say it's fake, or at least not a genuine representation of the farm.

do you think a lion would stop to think if its giving you a "painless torture free" death no they dont give a fuck about you so why should we give a fuck about our food?

one, not killing them for food, it's fur. we are the only animal that wears other animals fur.
two, these animals aren't lions. they don't hunt and eat humans so why should we be so harsh? it's not their species that kills us.
three, polar bears have been known to hunt down and eat other polar bears young. So I'm on my way to kill any kids you have (or will have) and eat them because by your rubbish argument that's ok. so yeah, you're right, why should I give a fuck about my food?

seriously, "loads of animals do it" is a terrible argument. think of something else and get back to me.

PS I bet I get told off about that eating your kids thing...

 

[Cryofthewolf]

I've seen this before. It is a horrible practice.

 

[chaos13]

why would they keep the animal alive its just sick. Its not like it can grow back all that fur.

 

[Lullabye]

im a human, i eat other animals

I'm crying that was disturbing i'm going to FUCKIN skin you alive! heartless bastard i eat animals but to skin em alive! that's just terrible

HA! theres an irony there that i almost missed.

hmmmm....this video is.....funny? maybe i shouldnt point this out but......this isnt really important on a world scale, ya know? we can deal with this after we get the real problems outta the way, and even then, why would we want to stop this?

 

[Lullabye]

that's sick and stupid. 1) surely it's more difficult to skin something that's writhing around? 2) they can't even stun them properly! it just takes a firm bat to the back of the head while they're pinned, way more effective than trying to whack them with sticks and hit them on the ground.

that's so ridiculous I'm tempted to call bullshit on this and say it's fake, or at least not a genuine representation of the farm.

do you think a lion would stop to think if its giving you a "painless torture free" death no they dont give a fuck about you so why should we give a fuck about our food?

one, not killing them for food, it's fur. we are the only animal that wears other animals fur.
two, these animals aren't lions. they don't hunt and eat humans so why should we be so harsh? it's not their species that kills us.
three, polar bears have been known to hunt down and eat other polar bears young. So I'm on my way to kill any kids you have (or will have) and eat them because by your rubbish argument that's ok. so yeah, you're right, why should I give a fuck about my food?

seriously, "loads of animals do it" is a terrible argument. think of something else and get back to me.

PS I bet I get told off about that eating your kids thing...

we're not polar bears. we're human...you know, the thing that invented the atomic bomb? yeah, thats us. If you want i COULD go out and eat other human children, the only reason i dont is cause it'd make my life hard....unless i didnt get caught......And whether we kill for food or clothing it doesnt matter, as soon as you kill you place more importance over your wants and needs than that of the animals.