I dont get why these people do it... i never do...
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It's more comfortable for us to use those excuses, but that's all they are.Godavari said:
The truth of the matter is that either the guy had some sort of chemical deficiency (it's amazing how many times "depression" and "mental instability" really just come down to a lack of seratonin or some such) or a series of events which shaped his character to such a degree that he felt his life was without worth. In those cases, it's never just one thing. Maybe there was a history of abuse in his family? Just a guess.
I've heard our society today has something like the highest suicide rate in history among young people (can't remember where I heard that), so there might be societal contributors.
Sorry about double and triple posting. My bad, I can't figure out how to do triple quoting people.RossyB said:
Anyway, Suicide is a selfish solution, but I don't think (in my case anyway) they do it with full out intent of dying most of the time, its more a cry for attention and help. But I can tell you that I don't care about what happens to my family if I did it and I'm not sure why, its probably because I'm estranged from my parents and siblings. Your right how there's an underlying problem, and it's probably a combination of them. Like a few weeks ago a bunch of my friends got in a habit of avoiding me (via lies and whatnot). Most times I didnt care, but on halloween I got really depressed because it wasn't just those kids that weren't picking up their phones or were busy, it was everyone I had made plans with. So then became really clingy to my girlfriend, so we broke up, and thats why I was all suicidal because I thought I had nothing left.
As another point, I said suicide was greedy: why would you want them to enter another relationship after you died? You don't...
So there's my input to this thread for now.
HA! He really got her back didn't he?
Seriuously though, (damn this is going to sound cliche) teenagers are very hormonal and the like which tends to make them very short sighted so they think they are always giong to feel this way and would rather end it than live with it.
When I say "they" I mean teenagers as a whole, not individuals.
Seriuously though, (damn this is going to sound cliche) teenagers are very hormonal and the like which tends to make them very short sighted so they think they are always giong to feel this way and would rather end it than live with it.
When I say "they" I mean teenagers as a whole, not individuals.
It's a shame that most of us never tell anyone we really know. I'm pretty sure I've told one of my really close friends, and allude to it to other aquantences, but the only place I've actually straight up admitted it was on a forum where I'm completely anonymous.enzilewulf said:
Insert obligatorty "Gene Pool Cleaning" statement here.
If death is the only way some people can think of to solve thier problems, they are obviously lacking the problem-solving skills needed to be a productive and useful member of the race.
Besides, I've always found that several days of binge drinking works just as well for "coping" if you're desperate.
If death is the only way some people can think of to solve thier problems, they are obviously lacking the problem-solving skills needed to be a productive and useful member of the race.
Besides, I've always found that several days of binge drinking works just as well for "coping" if you're desperate.
Sorry dude, but you do need to keep an eye out for your girlfriend's feelings, she needs to be in a good state of mind right now.
Its hard to tell why, because you don't know the whole story.
All of you assholes on this discussion, you guys are douches
Its hard to tell why, because you don't know the whole story.
All of you assholes on this discussion, you guys are douches
Damn those legal drinking ages! Besides, you're considered an alcoholic if you consume alone, which is why they feel suicidal in the first place. Edit: at least by my friends/brother/I
Emotional instability, likely clinical depression, bipolar or a temporary chemical inbalance. It could be just a simple burnout (from being pressured by the lovely family into getting straight A's, living a perfectly happy life, and being perfect, etc). I really need more information to go on.
That someone has straight A's, or what you percieve from the outside as a good family means nothing. Grades don't prove or disprove intelligence, or disposition, it doesn't give us any information to go on. That you percieve his family life as good from the outside doesn't really mean anything either, what you would consider a good family, and what others would consider a good family is different, and your perceptions of it might differ from reality.
With that out of the way, it is rarely seen as the only solution, but often the only bearable one. Clinical depression is rough, it get's really bad. Bipolar is even worse. A burnout is similar, in ways. Often a sense of perspective is lost, and consequences get exaggerated. The slightest, smallest error, or thing that goes wrong can feel like the end of the world. I've experienced it myself, nothing seems to work, everything just piles up, and that tiny, small, little thing just gets you. It could be as simple as someone saying you're wrong. I had a teacher who got that, she was suffering from a burnout, and while recovering returned to school for a single class to see how it went. A student contradicted her, not in a harmful manner, or anything, but it was enough that she broke down into tears.
The attention argument put up by TheGreatCoolEnergy is a surprisingly valid one, for something put in such a ridiculous way, as well, but in an entirely different way, and for entirely different reasons than those presented, of course. With depression, or a burnout, or whatever, you usually realise you have a problem, that you need help. But it's not something that's easy to talk about. It's usually not a conscious motivation, it's just your body's defense mechanisms way of making sure someone will notice, someone who can take better care of you than you can. Sometimes those mechanisms backfire, and take it too far (sort of like with a fever, it's designed to kill whatever ails you, but your body will keep heating you up until you break). That's what happens in suicide cases. I've been there myself, both with an attempted suicide or three, and other actions I can't later explain. I once threw a chandelier through my bedroom window. I wasn't angry, or anything like that, it just made sense at the time. I really needed help, and I couldn't communicate it, so that's what I did.
Yet another reason could be the fight, probably in combination with the other factors. With all that in mind, pressure, whatever ailments was there, whatever issues we have no knowledge of, perhaps the only person he truly reached out to was her, not to say he didn't have any other friends, but putting all your stakes on a single person, staking your very being on that person, it can seem very logical at times, and it's very easy to do. Getting into a fight with such a person could easily be the proverbial final haystack that broke the camel's back.
Also, I know this should be common sense, but don't listen to the insensitive assholes who don't know what they're talking about. I wish there was some way I could make people stop speaking out about things they have absolutely no idea about, especially in insensitive and rude ways, but unfortunately there isn't.
I know I sound a bit cold when I write this, but I'm trying to make an impartial assesment of the situation, to answer your question. My condolences to your girlfriend, you, and his family. I hope I've given you something to think about, I know blaming him, calling him stupid for taking his life is easy, and probably feels pretty good, but unless we understand these things, it will happen again, maybe not to you or anyone close to you again, if you're lucky, but people like some of the fuckjobs in this thread are causing a lot more problems than they could ever imagine with attitudes like the one's they have, even if it is just an act on the internet.
That someone has straight A's, or what you percieve from the outside as a good family means nothing. Grades don't prove or disprove intelligence, or disposition, it doesn't give us any information to go on. That you percieve his family life as good from the outside doesn't really mean anything either, what you would consider a good family, and what others would consider a good family is different, and your perceptions of it might differ from reality.
With that out of the way, it is rarely seen as the only solution, but often the only bearable one. Clinical depression is rough, it get's really bad. Bipolar is even worse. A burnout is similar, in ways. Often a sense of perspective is lost, and consequences get exaggerated. The slightest, smallest error, or thing that goes wrong can feel like the end of the world. I've experienced it myself, nothing seems to work, everything just piles up, and that tiny, small, little thing just gets you. It could be as simple as someone saying you're wrong. I had a teacher who got that, she was suffering from a burnout, and while recovering returned to school for a single class to see how it went. A student contradicted her, not in a harmful manner, or anything, but it was enough that she broke down into tears.
The attention argument put up by TheGreatCoolEnergy is a surprisingly valid one, for something put in such a ridiculous way, as well, but in an entirely different way, and for entirely different reasons than those presented, of course. With depression, or a burnout, or whatever, you usually realise you have a problem, that you need help. But it's not something that's easy to talk about. It's usually not a conscious motivation, it's just your body's defense mechanisms way of making sure someone will notice, someone who can take better care of you than you can. Sometimes those mechanisms backfire, and take it too far (sort of like with a fever, it's designed to kill whatever ails you, but your body will keep heating you up until you break). That's what happens in suicide cases. I've been there myself, both with an attempted suicide or three, and other actions I can't later explain. I once threw a chandelier through my bedroom window. I wasn't angry, or anything like that, it just made sense at the time. I really needed help, and I couldn't communicate it, so that's what I did.
Yet another reason could be the fight, probably in combination with the other factors. With all that in mind, pressure, whatever ailments was there, whatever issues we have no knowledge of, perhaps the only person he truly reached out to was her, not to say he didn't have any other friends, but putting all your stakes on a single person, staking your very being on that person, it can seem very logical at times, and it's very easy to do. Getting into a fight with such a person could easily be the proverbial final haystack that broke the camel's back.
Also, I know this should be common sense, but don't listen to the insensitive assholes who don't know what they're talking about. I wish there was some way I could make people stop speaking out about things they have absolutely no idea about, especially in insensitive and rude ways, but unfortunately there isn't.
I know I sound a bit cold when I write this, but I'm trying to make an impartial assesment of the situation, to answer your question. My condolences to your girlfriend, you, and his family. I hope I've given you something to think about, I know blaming him, calling him stupid for taking his life is easy, and probably feels pretty good, but unless we understand these things, it will happen again, maybe not to you or anyone close to you again, if you're lucky, but people like some of the fuckjobs in this thread are causing a lot more problems than they could ever imagine with attitudes like the one's they have, even if it is just an act on the internet.
People do very crazy things on the spur of the moment.
Emotions are a powerful thing when they are stirred up at the time so it happens.
Also I've read some posts that say "suicidal people are JUST ATTENTION WHORES."
Well the ones that fake it are, the ones that mean to do and are successful can't exactly whore that attention if they're dead no?
I think the last thing on a someone mind before they commit suicide is why they are going to do it and summarize their life if there's any spark of hope left in it.
Too bloody right some don't have any reason too and are selfish for it but I do believe there are some in this world that truly want it...and need it.
Emotions are a powerful thing when they are stirred up at the time so it happens.
Also I've read some posts that say "suicidal people are JUST ATTENTION WHORES."
Well the ones that fake it are, the ones that mean to do and are successful can't exactly whore that attention if they're dead no?
I think the last thing on a someone mind before they commit suicide is why they are going to do it and summarize their life if there's any spark of hope left in it.
Too bloody right some don't have any reason too and are selfish for it but I do believe there are some in this world that truly want it...and need it.
