I don't understand; why so much man-hate?

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Sparkly-elf

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You know, with every message-board comes the inevitable gender war/sexist thread stating how men are evil because of how women are portrayed in games.

I don't know about you, but that argument seems ridiculous to me.

So, I started this thread to state the fact, and ask some hard questions.

Facts
I think men are wonderful. As a woman, there is no-one I feel more secure around than my boyfriend, and I KNOW FOR A FACT that though he does love his large breasts, me; being decidedly small in that area, does not affect him. He would never, EVER expect me to suddenly grow into a double D and would never even want it.

Because he loves me for me. Not breasts, or booty. Sure he likes them, but there is much more to him than just his erotic fantasises.

And that goes for all men. Sure, you guys may like your big whatevers or your small whatevers, but every single man I know doesn't immediatly go for it. The men I know love their women because they can talk to them, be supported by them, sit down and have a laugh and play games and just relax with them.

Men treasure women, given the right circumstances. And nothing makes a woman feel more special than her man (or any man in particular).

The most sexist thing my boyfriend ever said to me was "I would hate it if you earned more than me". That pissed me right off, but really, I know he said that because he doesn't want to feel like a bum scabbing off my wages. He cares about me, and wants to support me. You would be surprised how many men actually WANT to support their lovers.

Obviously, abuse does exist, and yes women do get killed or beaten or emotionally abused by their spouse, but that all stems from the circumstances of the individual, be in their past or in their present, and these people need alot of help. But it exists in women too, men have emotion regardless of what either gender may think, and if you put a man down or kick him even after he's failed, he's gonna hurt.

Abuse exists, I do not deny that. But it isn't only men.

It may be sexist of me, but as a woman, I expect my lover to protect me from harm, I expect him to support me when I'm at my most depressed.

And he will, without question. Regardless if I have big boobs or a size zero waist or not.

The point is, men are capable of love, despite what the thoughts of many are. I guess this thread is to point out their good aspects :3. You poor babes have been recieving so much bile as of late.

Questions
What is the most sexist thing you ever heard?

As a woman, what do you love about any man in particular in your life?

Why are so many women so quick to jump on the sexism-wagon?

And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice?
 

Aardvark Soup

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I agree it's pretty pointless to generalise half of the world population like this. Some men are assholes, some are not. The same counts for women.
 

Abedeus

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The most sexist thing I've ever SEEN?

How I was with my best friend (girl) talking with another guy and every time she turned head around to talk to me, he looked at her breasts. They aren't too big, but are visible. I mean, COME ON! A girls is talking to you, asshole! You can wank off mentally at home, for crying out loud.

And about the question "appreciated by women for being nice" - yes, if I hold a door for them or help dress up I am thanked.

But you have to believe, if a girl is nice-looking, it's ALWAYS easier for a guy to focus on her. He doesn't have to think "uh, she's got a face like she was hit by a train" or the likes. I know it's a bit sexist, but seriously - men like that, and you can abuse it.
 

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Sparkly-elf said:
The point is, men are capable of love, despite what the thoughts of many are. I guess this thread is to point out their good aspects :3. You poor babes have been recieving so much bile as of late.

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And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice?
I love women. Every single time I got myself into really deep shit it was because one of them ;)

And while it might sound primitve, I get appreciation for being nice every time I get sex, cause no matter how hard I try to tell myself, it's not because of my devishly good looks :D
 

Sparkly-elf

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Abedeus said:
The most sexist thing I've ever SEEN?

How I was with my best friend (girl) talking with another guy and every time she turned head around to talk to me, he looked at hir breasts. They aren't too big, but are visible. I mean, COME ON! A girls is talking to you, asshole! You can wank off mentally at home, for crying out loud.

And about the question "appreciated by women for being nice" - yes, if I hold a door for them or help dress up I am thanked.

But you have to believe, if a girl is nice-looking, it's ALWAYS easier for a guy to focus on her. He doesn't have to think "uh, she's got a face like she was hit by a train" or the likes. I know it's a bit sexist, but seriously - men like that, and you can abuse it.
I know that. It's obvious, and a natural reaction as far as I'm concerned. But that's not sexist, it's just that guy being an asshole and having no respect for PEOPLE, let alone women. If he was demeaning her rights as a woman and openly fondling her to exert his authority as a man and being allowed to do so would be sexist. But just being attracted to her breasts and oggling them is being a disrespectful asshole.

Edit: sorry if that sounded kind of trolly, but I certainly didn't mean it to sound offensive. Eeeep, I don't know any other way to word it :C
 

ARM02

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Oggling breasts is being disrespectful?

Do you feel shame whenever you turn your head to check out an attractive male?
 

Padfoot13

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Women are allowed to be sexist twords men because it is not seen as sexism but rather Feminism. If a woman says she is better than a man she is a feminist, a very positive connotation. If a man says he is better than a woman than he is a masagonist, a very negative connotation. If the rights of the two sexes were in fact equal the man would be considered a masculine person, or the woman would have a more connotation for thinking she is better than the opposite sex.
 

asinann

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Nice men are appreciated, but most women I know won't date them. Nice men are viewed as too soft and incapable of protecting or providing comfort.

My dad is the nicest guy I know, poor guy can't land a date with a hooker paying for her time and then NOT sleeping with her.

My uncle is a prick, and he can have any woman he wants.
 

Hippobatman

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I'm going to skip your "as a woman" questions since, you know, I'm a guy, but about the sexist thing; I don't think I've ever heard a sexist remark that someone has honestly meant. Me and some of my friends occasionally joke around that women are bad drivers and only belong in the kitchen, but we never mean any harm to it, and we only make these ridiculous claims to other female friends who we know won't be offended by it.

I'm generally nice to people, and girls appreciate it (mostly). For instance, girls seem to have lower expectations when I'm buying them christmas or birtday presents, so if I bring them a nice and creative gift, I get a lot of credit.
 

Padfoot13

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also women find men hoping to change them when they dont change, and men find women hoping they dont change, which they do.
 

Abedeus

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ARM02 said:
Oggling breasts is being disrespectful?

Do you feel shame whenever you turn your head to check out an attractive male?
It's not disrespectful when you look at his figure, head or something like that.

Looking at sex organs is disrespectful. Same as staring at someone's ass.

Also, it wasn't just gazing at breasts. I think if he could, he would move 15 cm to them and drool all over. Sorry for the mental picture, but that just aggrovates me that much.
 

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The most sexist thing I've seen was some guys I know asking girls to try and stick there elbows behind there back so that there chest would stick out
 

Sparkly-elf

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ARM02 said:
Oggling breasts is being disrespectful?

Do you feel shame whenever you turn your head to check out an attractive male?
I mean oggling them when he's TALKING to her. It's more of a predatory thing, and is very disrespectful. It would be like a woman staring at the crotch of your jeans/sweats/other to see how endowed you are while you're trying to have a conversation with her.

Checking out is fine, being attracted is fine, but for both sexes; oggling someone openly infront of them when they are speaking to you is disrespectful if it has nothing to do with the conversation in question. It makes the person (man or woman) feel reduced to nothing but an object.

And no, I don't :3. I find men just as beautiful as men find women.
 

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Abedeus said:
The most sexist thing I've ever SEEN?

How I was with my best friend (girl) talking with another guy and every time she turned head around to talk to me, he looked at her breasts. They aren't too big, but are visible. I mean, COME ON! A girls is talking to you, asshole! You can wank off mentally at home, for crying out loud.

And about the question "appreciated by women for being nice" - yes, if I hold a door for them or help dress up I am thanked.

But you have to believe, if a girl is nice-looking, it's ALWAYS easier for a guy to focus on her. He doesn't have to think "uh, she's got a face like she was hit by a train" or the likes. I know it's a bit sexist, but seriously - men like that, and you can abuse it.
that guy is an asshole for admiring his girlfriends assets? then wear a sweater.
 

Sparkly-elf

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Padfoot13 said:
also women find men hoping to change them when they dont change, and men find women hoping they dont change, which they do.
It scares me how many people I know like that.

I myself, have a boyfriend who comes from a troubled background. So I try to encourage and support him every day, tell him how much I love and respect him all the time. Because I know no one ever has, and not many more people will.

I hate the whole "Oh, but they're damaged, and I can fix them," lark, because it's gone about in the entirely wrong way. Unless they actually felt truly sympathetic for them, it makes the whole thing redundant.
 

ARM02

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Abedeus said:
It's not disrespectful when you look at his figure, head or something like that.

Looking at sex organs is disrespectful. Same as staring at someone's ass.

Also, it wasn't just gazing at breasts. I think if he could, he would move 15 cm to them and drool all over. Sorry for the mental picture, but that just aggrovates me that much.
Breasts are not sex organs.

I'm not trying to start an argument here, I'm just amused by the apparent belief that some body parts are taboo.

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I mean oggling them when he's TALKING to her. It's more of a predatory thing, and is very disrespectful. It would be like a woman staring at the crotch of your jeans/sweats/other to see how endowed you are while you're trying to have a conversation with her.

Checking out is fine, being attracted is fine, but for both sexes; oggling someone openly infront of them when they are speaking to you is disrespectful if it has nothing to do with the conversation in question. It makes the person (man or woman) feel reduced to nothing but an object.

And no, I don't :3. I find men just as beautiful as men find women.
Well, if you were uncomfortable with someone doing that, stop talking with them. I would.

You are not forced to talk with certain people, and all they are doing is making themselves look like animals.

It's all about the sneaky peak :3

Really though, I would find it flattering.
 

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Abedeus said:
ARM02 said:
Oggling breasts is being disrespectful?

Do you feel shame whenever you turn your head to check out an attractive male?
It's not disrespectful when you look at his figure, head or something like that.

Looking at sex organs is disrespectful. Same as staring at someone's ass.

Also, it wasn't just gazing at breasts. I think if he could, he would move 15 cm to them and drool all over. Sorry for the mental picture, but that just aggrovates me that much.
Breats are not, and never were, sex organs. They have been idolized by western cultures as sex-related organs for various reasons the most probable being the insecurity men hold and the ingrained familiarity of breasts (from childhood). When we are insecure we look for something to use as a comfort, breasts have been there since we were children as a symbol of nurturance so it is natural that in a society of insecure people that some turn this healthy practice(childhood feeding) into an unhealthy adult obsession. Breasts are there to feed children, thats it.

When people look at them it should be no different than looking at the udders of a cow, because thats exactly what they are. The only issue is that people put so much emphasis on breasts that women become self conscious and protective of them which results in them becoming more desirable by men because they can't openly look at them. This unfortunate situation reinforced by "social decency" beliefs that breasts should not be shown because they are indecent.. a further perpetuation of the vicious cycle.


Breasts should be viewed at in the same way you look at someones elbow, nothing erotic or sexual about it.. just another body part.

Genitals are the only true sex organs because they are the only organs naturally involved in sex.

In a different light a similar cultural phenomenon has happened around the buttocks, particularly the female buttocks..
 

Sparkly-elf

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ARM02 said:
Well, if you were uncomfortable with someone doing that, stop talking with them. I would.

You are not forced to talk with certain people, and all they are doing is making themselves look like animals.

It's all about the sneaky peak :3

Really though, I would find it flattering.
Haha I certianly do stop talking to them, or point it out to make a show of them.

Sneaky peak should have it's own brand name.