I don't understand; why so much man-hate?

[Lord_Ascendant]

good article

i can only answer 2 of those questions

no, i've never heard anything sexist before

and my girlfriend loves that I do nice things for her and dote on her.

 

[KeithA45]

And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice?

Unfortunately atleast at my age (early college level) my friends tend to be thankful of times like when I help them stumble back to their room drunk or when I look out for their safety but it usually pushes me more in the infamous "friend zone" as they then date stuck-up men with questionable intentions from the start.

But I agree with you! As a man I know that some men are jackasses and objectify women but almost all of my friends and I are respectful and love our women. Sure big breasts and being ridiculously thin are always a plus but I think people (men and women) underestimate personality when it comes to match-making, even at my age and even in High School (what an strange time)

 

[Cowabungaa]

So..... is the breast-war going to start all over again?

Sigh, I made this thread about men. Not tits.

Aaa sorry I couldn't but being a smartass about that little thingy ;-)

Anyway, to get more ontopic (as a male):

What is the most sexist thing you ever heard?

Well, sadly, a friend of mine (female obviously) has been abused by a boy a few years back. Now she generalises all men (except me, I'm "sweet"), hates them all. Now ofcourse I can understand that, I think she's traumatised, she even goes to a therapist for it. But apperantly she refuses to acknowledge that her men-hate is unhealthy, nonsense and probably a (in)direct result from her experiences. She keeps refering to her experiences as wise lessons who showed her how men really are. Obviously that doesn't make me angry, just very sad. As Phyroxis says, "Men are the mean, crude, rude, abrasive assholes that abuse women constantly.." ofcourse it's not always so obvious, but it's always the guy who at least uses the girl and not the other way around. I bet that it's not 50/50, but let's be fair: girls also use boys more then often, especially in the teen years. But ofcourse there are plenty of men who do the same, sadly.

Why are so many women so quick to jump on the sexism-wagon?

I think I gotta second Phyroxis here again: lots of women are used or even abused in some way by men or boys in their lives, or know friends who were.

And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice?

Not always I think, as if it's expected that men should do those things, as if it's our duty or something like that.

And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice? Not really... Maybe I'm not doing it right, or I consider myself to be nicer than I actually am.. Though I have been called a "very sweet guy", "kind," and "sensitive".. Though it doesn't seem to be indicative of my "date-ability."

Heh, I know exactly what you mean, hurts doesn't it? I see beautifull and extremely nice girls dating utter douchebags, why are we put in that 'friend zone'! It's painfull.

Breasts are NOT sexual characteristics, though. They have nothing to do with the act of mating. They only come in to play after the birth of the offspring.

That's why they're called secondary sexual characteristics, not primary like the development of ovaries. However, although it's true that they don't play a role in the act of mating itself, they do play a role in the ritual of mating. Just like emmm those blue feet from gannets (can't remember wich species exactly).

 

[jamesworkshop]

Oggling breasts is being disrespectful?


Breats are not, and never were, sex organs. They have been idolized by western cultures as sex-related organs for various reasons the most probable being the insecurity men hold and the ingrained familiarity of breasts (from childhood). When we are insecure we look for something to use as a comfort, breasts have been there since we were children as a symbol of nurturance so it is natural that in a society of insecure people that some turn this healthy practice(childhood feeding) into an unhealthy adult obsession. Breasts are there to feed children, thats it.

True but breasts are considered secondary sexual characteristics and thus men like them because girls (not fertile) dont have them but adult women (fertile) do.
Besides you see breasts everywhere it is considered far more acceptable to show a lot more breast than you can penis.
The comfort idea isn't new but still fails to explain why women don't show the same level of interest in breasts as men do.

Breasts are NOT sexual characteristics, though. They have nothing to do with the act of mating. They only come in to play after the birth of the offspring. While they are a symbol of attaining sexual maturity, in females, that is the same as saying a male grows facial hair.

As for your other point..
If you have it (or in this case, them), you're far less likely to covet it(them).



While this is all fine and great, we can debate the nature of breasts till the cows come home.. But its starting to get off topic.

Excatly "SECONDARY" sexual charateristics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_sex_characteristic
i.e they symbolise fetility of a woman much like how male facial hair tells women that the male in front of them is a man and not a boy and thus capabable of being a father (biologically speaking)

 

[Mullahgrrl]

The breasts are also parts of the body and deserve just as much attention as the face does!

 

[goatzilla8463]

does "wow, those tits are nice" count as a sexist comment?

 

[Sparkly-elf]

So..... is the breast-war going to start all over again?

Sigh, I made this thread about men. Not tits.

Aaa sorry I couldn't but being a smartass about that little thingy ;-)

Anyway, to get more ontopic (as a male):

What is the most sexist thing you ever heard?

Well, sadly, a friend of mine (female obviously) has been abused by a boy a few years back. Now she generalises all men (except me, I'm "sweet"), hates them all. Now ofcourse I can understand that, I think she's traumatised, she even goes to a therapist for it. But apperantly she refuses to acknowledge that her men-hate is unhealthy, nonsense and probably a (in)direct result from her experiences. She keeps refering to her experiences as wise lessons who showed her how men really are. Obviously that doesn't make me angry, just very sad. As Phyroxis says, "Men are the mean, crude, rude, abrasive assholes that abuse women constantly.." ofcourse it's not always so obvious, but it's always the guy who at least uses the girl and not the other way around. I bet that it's not 50/50, but let's be fair: girls also use boys more then often, especially in the teen years. But ofcourse there are plenty of men who do the same, sadly.

Why are so many women so quick to jump on the sexism-wagon?

I think I gotta second Phyroxis here again: lots of women are used or even abused in some way by men or boys in their lives, or know friends who were.

And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice?

Not always I think, as if it's expected that men should do those things, as if it's our duty or something like that.

And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice? Not really... Maybe I'm not doing it right, or I consider myself to be nicer than I actually am.. Though I have been called a "very sweet guy", "kind," and "sensitive".. Though it doesn't seem to be indicative of my "date-ability."

Heh, I know exactly what you mean, hurts doesn't it?

I made this so I could appreciate all the good things about men and hope others would do the same.

No, it's not your "duty", but it is nice to be appreciated every once in a while, isn't it? Personally, I don't think men are praised for the little things enough.

 

[Phyroxis]

does "wow, those tits are nice" count as a sexist comment?

Depends who hears it.

 

[Daveman]

The girls I know are much more evil than the guys and one time they spent an entire party staring at my (male) friends crotch. Guys may think they would like this but beieve me. A 3 hour party is just plain creepy.

As for being appreciated for being nice.
No.
No girls seem to care that I am a generally caring, honest guy who will stick up for anyone when they need someone and so I am lonely as hell with a zero girlfriend track record when I'm nearing 18. I'm not unattractive or anything so the only thing I can put my relationship history down to is a combination of shyness and *sigh* being a bit short (5'7"). This is where my counter sexism kicks in. Everybody judges people, even women. I wish some people would get off their high horse with this issue.

 

[goatzilla8463]

does "wow, those tits are nice" count as a sexist comment?

Depends who hears it.

my girlfriend...

 

[Sparkly-elf]

does "wow, those tits are nice" count as a sexist comment?

Depends who hears it.

Technically no, because the comment can come from either a man or woman.

Now, if the comment was "Wow, as a man I have every right to exert my authority over you and your attractively large breasts, how about we marry and I, as your husband, refuse to let you work and have independance?"

Now that is sexist.

 

[wordsmith]

Questions
What is the most sexist thing you ever heard?

As a woman, what do you love about any man in particular in your life?

Why are so many women so quick to jump on the sexism-wagon?

And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice?

1) As a gamer? The usual "go get me a sammidge woman!". As a guy? I don't tend to notice. I have a very jokey circle of friends that seperates into "can get away with telling those kind of jokes" and "those who get shot down if they try to even approach the subject"

2) I'm a guy.

3)Power trip. They get fed all this shit that guys are all scumbags and believe it. I blame the media (as I do for everything wrong with this society )

4)Yep, but that's quickly forgotten as soon as 3) comes into play.

5) Because we can't count..

 

[Phyroxis]

does "wow, those tits are nice" count as a sexist comment?

Depends who hears it.

my girlfriend...

Ask her

 

[Avida]

The point is, men are capable of love, despite what the thoughts of many are. I guess this thread is to point out their good aspects :3. You poor babes have been recieving so much bile as of late.


And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice?

Thank you , and to answer your question - Almost not at all, its a really rare occassion for it not to end up in gentle teasing instead, which is fine and all but after a while it adds up to a big 'why should i bother'.

Also, about the "sex organ", I worded it poorly. I was referring to organs that are gender-specific in nature. Breasts able to feed children are only for females.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_lactation - Not all the time. And dont ask how i came to know of this XD, just google it and theres plenty of milkmen info.

edit: woo 700 posts

 

[Talendra]

This is a great thread. The main problem with the man-hate I think, is that the bad tends to stand out over the good most often, especially online. Just like you would more likely hear about the controlling, slutty or just plain psycho women more, you are going to hear more about the sexist, sleazy man.
I have always found strong feminists to be quite hypocritical and far from gender equal. Though they may have been needed to help woman to become equal, I more often than not just find them very annoying.

Now answer time.

What is the most sexist thing you ever heard? Probably half the comments directed at me when I used to ride motocross. They just made me more determined to make them eat their words though.

As a woman, what do you love about any man in particular in your life? I am not romantically involved with men, but have many male friends that will do anything for me when I'm in need and offer just as much love and support as my female ones.

Why are so many women so quick to jump on the sexism-wagon? I think because there are still a lot of sexist men and as I said the bad stands out. There are however alot of great men that just want to get to know you and have fun, and I think alot of women forget this.

 

[goatzilla8463]

does "wow, those tits are nice" count as a sexist comment?

Depends who hears it.

my girlfriend...

my girlfriend gets all giddy and giggly when I say that to her

mine says "thanks" and carrys on with life. *sigh* if only i had the power...

 

[stormcaller]

Here's pretty much the political correctness rule:

Men can not be mean of women it is sexist, (Women can however)
Men can not be "pro-men are not all stupid dickheads" because again they will be called out for sexism (" ")

Ok so the second one is a bit harder to get, but I had something to say and that's all I could type out.

Questions:

1. (insert every day chat between my other friends)Ok actually more along the lines of "You stupid fucking retard! ugh...such a guy" said to me by this bitchy girl a few years ago, probably not quite the direct quote and I'm sure I've heard worse somewhere but for the sake of making a point that both lots can be asses it works.

2.*checks* Can't help you sorry!

3. Because pretty much it is sexism, sure as mentioned there are nice guys but I think guys and girls (really,really squashing it into stereotypes here) think of love in different ways. Guys see it as a hunt with there always being a better prize somewhere, or something more to get, whereas (this is the biggest leap because again I'm clueless with the female psyche) see it as "love" proper love the smushy,valentines, I Wuv U sort of stuff.

4. Hehe, big secret here: I'm hopeless around girls I'm always nice and polite and all but I usually talk indirectly by talking to one of my friends, I've had a few "friends-who-are-girls" and I usually just end-up asking them about books and movies and stuff or again talking through my friends. I guess it's all for the best though I usually fall under the "don't bother wasting your time, you retarded fanboy geek" grouping so I'll stay there for a few years to come.

Again I'm 14 soon(11 more days /happy-dance!), so it would seem that the above is natural but these days people have "girlfriends" from all the way back in Primary school. Just thought I'd offer a little insight into this generation.