I don't understand; why so much man-hate?

[MarsProbe]

that guy is an asshole for admiring his girlfriends assets?

Uh, I don't think it was actually the guy's girlfriend in that occasion.

As for the last question, well, yes sometimes. General manners and good etiquette usually go down well. Though, irritatingly enough, right now when I'd like the whole being nice thing to work, it doesn't seem to be having the desired effect. Maybe I'm just impatient, or do I actually need to try a different tact...? :O

 

[Cowabungaa]

Breats are not, and never were, sex organs. They have been idolized by western cultures as sex-related organs for reasons unknown. Breasts are there to feed children, thats it.

That's the answer right there ;-) And not just in Westren culture, almost all around the globe there are examples of that. For example these little dolls:

As you can see, big boobies, a fine piece of ass *cough*. It's pretty easy to figure out way, you say it yourself: they're feeding baby's, or in short: it's about fertility. Women have been worshipped for that for millenia, although not always so....obvious. Stone-age man was honest, as you can see ;-)

 

[ARM02]

Breats are not, and never were, sex organs. They have been idolized by western cultures as sex-related organs for reasons unknown. Breasts are there to feed children, thats it.

That's the answer right there ;-) And not just in Westren culture, almost all around the globe there are examples of that. For example these little dolls:

As you can see, big boobies, a fine piece of ass *cough*. It's pretty easy to figure out way, you say it yourself: they're feeding baby's, or in short: it's about fertility. Women have been worshipped for that for millenia, although not always so....obvious. Stone-age man was honest, as you can see ;-)

Orrrr, women had massive tits thousands of years ago.

 

[Sparkly-elf]

So..... is the breast-war going to start all over again?

Sigh, I made this thread about men. Not tits.

 

[rryyann]

I can not even tell you how many times I've heard this phrase
"All guys suck! Oh, except for you Ryan."
I know that guys can be jerks sometimes, but really, I know that girls can be jerks too. I'd really rather you just come up to me and say "Ugh, John Smith is such a jerk!" then classify all guys, except myself, as pig headed low-life's. I personally am not interested in a woman for sex at all, I am actually a firm believer in, you know, personality. I've dated pretty girls, and I've also dated less pretty girls, but I've treated them all the same because I their body didn't even effect my opinion of them in the slightest. I'm planing on waiting until after marriage to have sex.

Now I'm not going to lie, around my friends that are girls I kid around sometimes and say things like; "Woman, go get me a sandwich I don't want to hear another word from you unless you're asking me if I want mustard." But all of my friends know that I'm kidding so it's not big deal (And no, I do not make them make me a sandwich).

 

[Phyroxis]

You know, with every message-board comes the inevitable gender war/sexist thread stating how men are evil because of how women are portrayed in games.

I don't know about you, but that argument seems ridiculous to me.

So, I started this thread to state the fact, and ask some hard questions.

Facts
I think men are wonderful. As a woman, there is no-one I feel more secure around than my boyfriend, and I KNOW FOR A FACT that though he does love his large breasts, me; being decidedly small in that area, does not affect him. He would never, EVER expect me to suddenly grow into a double D and would never even want it.

Because he loves me for me. Not breasts, or booty. Sure he likes them, but there is much more to him than just his erotic fantasises.

And that goes for all men. Sure, you guys may like your big whatevers or your small whatevers, but every single man I know doesn't immediatly go for it. The men I know love their women because they can talk to them, be supported by them, sit down and have a laugh and play games and just relax with them.

Men treasure women, given the right circumstances. And nothing makes a woman feel more special than her man (or any man in particular).

The most sexist thing my boyfriend ever said to me was "I would hate it if you earned more than me". That pissed me right off, but really, I know he said that because he doesn't want to feel like a bum scabbing off my wages. He cares about me, and wants to support me. You would be surprised how many men actually WANT to support their lovers.

Obviously, abuse does exist, and yes women do get killed or beaten or emotionally abused by their spouse, but that all stems from the circumstances of the individual, be in their past or in their present, and these people need alot of help. But it exists in women too, men have emotion regardless of what either gender may think, and if you put a man down or kick him even after he's failed, he's gonna hurt.

Abuse exists, I do not deny that. But it isn't only men.

It may be sexist of me, but as a woman, I expect my lover to protect me from harm, I expect him to support me when I'm at my most depressed.

And he will, without question. Regardless if I have big boobs or a size zero waist or not.

The point is, men are capable of love, despite what the thoughts of many are. I guess this thread is to point out their good aspects :3. You poor babes have been recieving so much bile as of late.

Questions
What is the most sexist thing you ever heard?

As a woman, what do you love about any man in particular in your life?

Why are so many women so quick to jump on the sexism-wagon?

And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice?

Overall, I'm glad you started this thread. Its something, as a guy, that I've thought on for a considerable amount of time. Why do we treat people the way we do, based on physical qualification? Men may have a thing between their legs and women may have a different thing between their legs but ultimately we're still the same species with the vast majority of our genetics being identical.. And yet so much crap arises out of these petty differences.

On to your questions.

What is the most sexist thing you ever heard? Haven't heard any serious sexist remarks. there are always the comedians being funny and the stupid friends making clear jokes. I truly haven't witnessed any sexist remarks that I can recall.. Though I do feel like there is a stigma against men. Men are the mean, crude, rude, abrasive assholes that abuse women constantly.. I don't see much to support that, and I am actually pretty insulted that I am painted with that stereotype just because of whats between my legs. (and to a lesser extent because I sport a trimmed distribution of facial hair)

As a woman, what do you love about any man in particular in your life? Cant comment.. I am a male. I wish I could hear positive things about me and "my gender" from women, though. There is too much negativity around gender and sexuality (two different concepts, but both related in this case)

Why are so many women so quick to jump on the sexism-wagon? Because 1 in 3 have or will be raped. Its terrible.. but there are also similar statistics related to abuse and male victims. I think it all stems out of fear, for the most part.. And its unfortunate because there are plenty of men out there, or at least I'd hope I'm not the only one, who have no desire to hurt women and would love to find one willing to be in a relationship with males of our "mindset".

And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice? Not really... Maybe I'm not doing it right, or I consider myself to be nicer than I actually am.. Though I have been called a "very sweet guy", "kind," and "sensitive".. Though it doesn't seem to be indicative of my "date-ability."

 

[Abedeus]

Breasts are the symbol of fertility. Therefore, they ARE related to sex organs. Guess why it's considered impolite to show your breasts in public?

The most sexist thing I've ever SEEN?

How I was with my best friend (girl) talking with another guy and every time she turned head around to talk to me, he looked at her breasts. They aren't too big, but are visible. I mean, COME ON! A girls is talking to you, asshole! You can wank off mentally at home, for crying out loud.

And about the question "appreciated by women for being nice" - yes, if I hold a door for them or help dress up I am thanked.

But you have to believe, if a girl is nice-looking, it's ALWAYS easier for a guy to focus on her. He doesn't have to think "uh, she's got a face like she was hit by a train" or the likes. I know it's a bit sexist, but seriously - men like that, and you can abuse it.

that guy is an asshole for admiring his girlfriends assets? then wear a sweater.

She wasn't his girlfriend. I don't know if she even was his friend, more of a mate. Guess why? Because we both have BFF necklace halves.

...I just need to find mine, I know she has her near the bed.

Also, about the "sex organ", I worded it poorly. I was referring to organs that are gender-specific in nature. Breasts able to feed children are only for females.

I'm not trying to start an argument here, I'm just amused by the apparent belief that some body parts are taboo..

You don't talk to a girl about how long your wang is. You don't. I mean, you might, but what will she think? You also don't say her how giant her bosom is. It's just unpolite.

But STAAAARING for 10 seconds on a pair of breasts isn't normal. That's how poor porno movies start.

 

[sebar nl]

the most sexist (I would rather describe them a hormones) thing I do is stare at the boobs of the female newsreader on the tv whenever a boring topic comes along.
In RL when I'm talking with a girl I keep eye-contact at ALL times . not the creepy staring thing just eye-contact. It gives them the the feeling that I'm interested in what they have to say. Works very well!

 

[Phyroxis]

Breats are not, and never were, sex organs. They have been idolized by western cultures as sex-related organs for reasons unknown. Breasts are there to feed children, thats it.

That's the answer right there ;-) And not just in Westren culture, almost all around the globe there are examples of that. For example these little dolls:

As you can see, big boobies, a fine piece of ass *cough*. It's pretty easy to figure out way, you say it yourself: they're feeding baby's, or in short: it's about fertility. Women have been worshipped for that for millenia, although not always so....obvious. Stone-age man was honest, as you can see ;-)

Except that in ancient cultures large breasts and rears were not associated with sex. They were qualities of women who were strong and able to provide for their offspring. They were symbols of a good, potential, mother.

 

[Phyroxis]

Breasts are the symbol of fertility. Therefore, they ARE related to sex organs. Guess why it's considered impolite to show your breasts in public?

The most sexist thing I've ever SEEN?

How I was with my best friend (girl) talking with another guy and every time she turned head around to talk to me, he looked at her breasts. They aren't too big, but are visible. I mean, COME ON! A girls is talking to you, asshole! You can wank off mentally at home, for crying out loud.

And about the question "appreciated by women for being nice" - yes, if I hold a door for them or help dress up I am thanked.

But you have to believe, if a girl is nice-looking, it's ALWAYS easier for a guy to focus on her. He doesn't have to think "uh, she's got a face like she was hit by a train" or the likes. I know it's a bit sexist, but seriously - men like that, and you can abuse it.

that guy is an asshole for admiring his girlfriends assets? then wear a sweater.

She wasn't his girlfriend. I don't know if she even was his friend, more of a mate. Guess why? Because we both have BFF necklace halves.

...I just need to find mine, I know she has her near the bed.

Also, about the "sex organ", I worded it poorly. I was referring to organs that are gender-specific in nature. Breasts able to feed children are only for females.

I'm not trying to start an argument here, I'm just amused by the apparent belief that some body parts are taboo..

You don't talk to a girl about how long your wang is. You don't. I mean, you might, but what will she think? You also don't say her how giant her bosom is. It's just unpolite.

But STAAAARING for 10 seconds on a pair of breasts isn't normal. That's how poor porno movies start.

Sex and fertility are two different concepts. One is the act of, the other is the raising of children and perpetuation of a population.

 

[DuncanRR]

Do I ever really get appreciated by women for being nice? Hmm...probably not, sadly.

 

[Phyroxis]

So..... is the breast-war going to start all over again?

Sigh, I made this thread about men. Not tits.

You can't create a thread like this and expect it not to have any conversation about breasts. A lot of the "man-hate" in western cultures stems from this stigma of breasts and the "dirty men" who stare at them. To analyze "man-hate" you must address the roots of the hate, some of which are stemmed from this very topic.

 

[joystickjunki3]

Answers to your questions:
Probably that men don't care about women's problems.

Not a woman, can't answer that one.

Because it's fashionable sometimes. Other than that, because it's easy to hate on men because most of us will shrug it off and laugh about it.

No. I don't ever really get appreciated for being nice. I don't expect to either.

 

[scotth266]

Yikes, this looks like it could get ugly. Better post quick and lurk off...

My thoughts:
Women check out men just as much as men check out women. That being said, I could care less about the bust size of someone I'm interested in: for me, it's more about that someone being a nice person. That being said, I still like women with good faces. Does that make me a terrible person? No, of course not. It just means that it's my preference.

 

[Phyroxis]

" Because 1 in 3 have or will be raped."

I call bullshit. Verify your claims, please.

Good call. I was wrong, but not by much. (Goes to show you how well the memory distorts past facts)

1 in 6 women and 1 in 33 men will be a victim of sexual assault in their lifetime.
College age women are 4 times more likely to be sexually assaulted.

http://www.rainn.org/statistics

 

[jamesworkshop]

Oggling breasts is being disrespectful?


Breats are not, and never were, sex organs. They have been idolized by western cultures as sex-related organs for various reasons the most probable being the insecurity men hold and the ingrained familiarity of breasts (from childhood). When we are insecure we look for something to use as a comfort, breasts have been there since we were children as a symbol of nurturance so it is natural that in a society of insecure people that some turn this healthy practice(childhood feeding) into an unhealthy adult obsession. Breasts are there to feed children, thats it.

True but breasts are considered secondary sexual characteristics and thus men like them because girls (not fertile) dont have them but adult women (fertile) do.
Besides you see breasts everywhere it is considered far more acceptable to show a lot more breast than you can penis.
The comfort idea isn't new but still fails to explain why women don't show the same level of interest in breasts as men do.

 

[Phyroxis]

Oggling breasts is being disrespectful?


Breats are not, and never were, sex organs. They have been idolized by western cultures as sex-related organs for various reasons the most probable being the insecurity men hold and the ingrained familiarity of breasts (from childhood). When we are insecure we look for something to use as a comfort, breasts have been there since we were children as a symbol of nurturance so it is natural that in a society of insecure people that some turn this healthy practice(childhood feeding) into an unhealthy adult obsession. Breasts are there to feed children, thats it.

True but breasts are considered secondary sexual characteristics and thus men like them because girls (not fertile) dont have them but adult women (fertile) do.
Besides you see breasts everywhere it is considered far more acceptable to show a lot more breast than you can penis.
The comfort idea isn't new but still fails to explain why women don't show the same level of interest in breasts as men do.

Breasts are NOT sexual characteristics, though. They have nothing to do with the act of mating. They only come in to play after the birth of the offspring. While they are a symbol of attaining sexual maturity, in females, that is the same as saying a male grows facial hair.

As for your other point..
If you have it (or in this case, them), you're far less likely to covet it(them).



While this is all fine and great, we can debate the nature of breasts till the cows come home.. But its starting to get off topic.

 

[Sparkly-elf]

Overall, I'm glad you started this thread. Its something, as a guy, that I've thought on for a considerable amount of time. Why do we treat people the way we do, based on physical qualification? Men may have a thing between their legs and women may have a different thing between their legs but ultimately we're still the same species with the vast majority of our genetics being identical.. And yet so much crap arises out of these petty differences.

On to your questions.

What is the most sexist thing you ever heard? Haven't heard any serious sexist remarks. there are always the comedians being funny and the stupid friends making clear jokes. I truly haven't witnessed any sexist remarks that I can recall.. Though I do feel like there is a stigma against men. Men are the mean, crude, rude, abrasive assholes that abuse women constantly.. I don't see much to support that, and I am actually pretty insulted that I am painted with that stereotype just because of whats between my legs. (and to a lesser extent because I sport a trimmed distribution of facial hair)

As a woman, what do you love about any man in particular in your life? Cant comment.. I am a male. I wish I could hear positive things about me and "my gender" from women, though. There is too much negativity around gender and sexuality (two different concepts, but both related in this case)

Why are so many women so quick to jump on the sexism-wagon? Because 1 in 3 have or will be raped. Its terrible.. but there are also similar statistics related to abuse and male victims. I think it all stems out of fear, for the most part.. And its unfortunate because there are plenty of men out there, or at least I'd hope I'm not the only one, who have no desire to hurt women and would love to find one willing to be in a relationship with males of our "mindset".

And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice? Not really... Maybe I'm not doing it right, or I consider myself to be nicer than I actually am.. Though I have been called a "very sweet guy", "kind," and "sensitive".. Though it doesn't seem to be indicative of my "date-ability."

That's such a shame too, because the nice guys are the best. Seriously.

Guaranteed, you're gonna find a girl who truly loves you just by being kind to her.

Dating the ass is fun, while it lasts, but the hurt just piles up on you and it becomes to much. That's how girls get their hearts broken by guys who treat them terribly.

It's nice guys like who who really can love and cherish someone. So trust me, you'll find someone.

 

[Phyroxis]

That's such a shame too, because the nice guys are the best. Seriously.

Guaranteed, you're gonna find a girl who truly loves you just by being kind to her.

Dating the ass is fun, while it lasts, but the hurt just piles up on you and it becomes to much. That's how girls get their hearts broken by guys who treat them terribly.

It's nice guys like who who really can love and cherish someone. So trust me, you'll find someone.

I appreciate it, really, thank you. I just look forward to a world where people are more moderate in their views and are able to coexist peacefully.. Where, among other things, "sensitive men" aren't seen as weak, or weaker than other more abusive men.

I know, I'm a romantic.