I don't understand; why so much man-hate?

[Mikelland]

The girls I know are much more evil than the guys and one time they spent an entire party staring at my (male) friends crotch. Guys may think they would like this but beieve me. A 3 hour party is just plain creepy.

As for being appreciated for being nice.
No.
No girls seem to care that I am a generally caring, honest guy who will stick up for anyone when they need someone and so I am lonely as hell with a zero girlfriend track record when I'm nearing 18. I'm not unattractive or anything so the only thing I can put my relationship history down to is a combination of shyness and *sigh* being a bit short (5'7"). This is where my counter sexism kicks in. Everybody judges people, even women. I wish some people would get off their high horse with this issue.

I think that you are me from the past. Are gay men also inexplicably attracted to you?
It won't get any better. I once knew a girl who met a bloke at a bar, got talking to him, met up with him a second time and then dumped him because he was too shy. Don't get me wrong girls are pretty nice sometimes. I just can't believe the effort and time and lies and money and worrying could ever be worth it. May be its easier for all you guys who don't have confidence issues but thats how it seems to me...

 

[Aesthetical Quietus]

3) I don't like using this comparison, but I will: Why do African-americans jump so readily onto the racist band-wagon. [Just look at Capcom's Re:5 and the huge spark this created].

#1: Careful with your wording, man. Just saying "why do?" and leavin' it at that will inevitably get you scheisse-stormed.
#2: If you did your research, you would've found that most of those causing the uproar were doing it mainly out of ignorance. They weren't completely unjustified in their reaction though.

4) I still have a long life ahead of me, but I doubt I ever will be appreciated by women for being nice. Niceties seem to be a sign of weakness in this day and age.

It's not a weakness being considerate, but the point is that it only goes so far if you're looking to find your "mate". Women aren't just gonna plop into your lap for it, unless you're lucky... or Brad Pitt.

I have replies... but they feel in-adequate, so I'm not going to reply. lol.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Here's a tip, women KNOW you're looking, and a glance over the chest area isn't going to offend, dribbling while staring might tho, keep it subtle, because you're not being nearly as subtle as you think you are. On the flipside, if you're wearing short skirts or low cut tops, don't be offended if every man within a mile is looking, sexy outfits are a fine weapon in the battle of the sexes, but if you're looking for that Mr Right, they're more a nuke than a homing missile, you may hit who you want, but you'll also hit every other freak in range.

To me, if you're wearing a top that is one step away from having 'look! titties!' on it, then don't be surprised if you attract male eyes.

On a different tact, I think part of why men get a bad rep is the media, look at just about any fictional TV show, the guys are all idiots obsessed with beer and football and stop dead in their tracks if an attractive woman is in visual range, whereas most women are shown as sassy, smart women who make things happen and fix problems. Of course I think that's because women watch more of that type of TV than men, and I'm guessing you want proof? Well I don't have any, that's why it's an opinion.

Thirdly, my take on the 'nice guy' thing, and its perhaps a rather grumpy one.

Is it because naturally goodlooking guys don't HAVE to be nice to attract female attention? At least early on in life, thru school and college. Whereas the less attractive men have to try harder to get noticed. I'm wondering if the reason we hear of 'He seemed really nice but he was an asshole' is because he got picked on pecs appeal, not his personality.

I'll personally tend to go for someone who's got a kinda quirky appeal, as I find anyone who's very conventionally attractive tends to know it, and damn, that gets old fast, the whole 'oh I'm so pretty the world should bow to me' thing. Also, being 36, I'll take someone I can talk to over a few levels of perceived initial attractiveness too.

Here's one, do you find your purely visual rating of someone changes as you get to know them?

I've thought people look nice, then got to know them, and actually found them less physically attractive after,maybe its my mind trying to find extra reasons to cross them off my internal list is all.

Works the same way in reverse too, a huge number of 'faults' can be rectified by a genuine smile and just being good company. By faults I mean the kinda crap women's magazines devote whole pages to getting rid of. A little extra weight, imperfect hair, a few lines or blemishes, come on, us guys are far too busy staring at your tits to be concerned with all that. /irony

 

[Nivag the Owl]

Well it's nice to see someone expressing valid points for once. I completely agree with you.

Questions
What is the most sexist thing you ever heard?
Any 'feminist' contradiction e.g. feminists, or anyone for that matter, who believe both of the following: "women can be just as strong as men and shouldn't physically be treated differently" and "men aren't allowed to hit women". When will they bloody change it to nobody can hit anybody.

Why are so many women so quick to jump on the sexism-wagon?
I think a lot of woman tend to just go along with it because the benefits are there. It's got the point with Political Correctness where females are given better oppurtunities. Nowadays, and this is hypthetical, if two absolutely identical (excluding gender) employees apply for a job, they have the same experience, qualifications, personality, etc. The female will get picked on account of the reduction in taxes for business with equality. So the benefits are there, and why would women (or anyone) want to not have that benefit? They're not going to get rid of it. Yet if men were to stand up against it, we'd be condemned as sexist pigs instantly.

And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice?
I'm good at dealing with people's problems and I'm very polite to new friends so I get quite a lot of praise for being lovely. Of course, when the frienship is more comfortable, its unnecessary insults all 'round! (from both parties and nothing sexist)

 

[AgentNein]

I'm sorry, but I've been here or there on the Escapist and I'm not entirely clear on what 'man-hate' you're seeing.

Or how annoyance at rampant sexism in video games translates to manhating.

 

[Meta Like That]

I have replies... but they feel in-adequate, so I'm not going to reply. lol.

Heh, nah dude, speak your mind. That's what we's here for, no?

 

[gregatron08]

Hmmmmm i guess that makes sense...... meh either way, very lucky with my current gal.... so heres hoping i wont have to worry about this again

 

[Gerazzi]

It's pretty obvious why there's so much hate for men, it's the fact that there is an ungodly amount of single, divorced, or abused women. Plus any right-minded man knows not to talk to a woman while she's ranting about how men suck, so there's no way to really stop the hate. Understand?

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Can i ask a question to the women?

Why is it that the nice guys get turned down by nice girls, then get her crying to him when she gets hurt by some asshole, and then she just goes off with another asshole again.... why do nice girls do that to themselves? (and to us actually)

Same way we go off with the boob woman, torn apart when she gets bored, get picked up by the sensible one, then go after the next "princess"

 

[Lord_Ascendant]

Can i ask a question to the women?

Why is it that the nice guys get turned down by nice girls, then get her crying to him when she gets hurt by some asshole, and then she just goes off with another asshole again.... why do nice girls do that to themselves? (and to us actually)

Same way we go off with the boob woman, torn apart when she gets bored, get picked up by the sensible one, then go after the next "princess"

What Root is hinting at, i think. Is that the human brain likes pretty things. Even if the personality in them is terrible. You still get sex, just at a cost. Am I right??

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

What Root is hinting at, i think. Is that the human brain likes pretty things. Even if the personality in them is terrible. You still get sex, just at a cost. Am I right??

Not so much pretty things, but we tend to ascribe more positive values to those with dominant postive qualities. Money, Power or Voice also work to overpromote someone.
It also works, in our case, with gaming knowledge: which is why gaming grrls are both scary and sexy.
(Unfortunately, a good girlie giggle or sharply dressed man gets a hell of a lot of forgiveness points)

 

[Deadman Walkin]

I love women, and my girlfriend is the most wonderful girl in the world. I see both as equal, and honestly I hate the major feminists who blame everything on men and that we are ignorant slobs who do nothing but sex alcohol and abuse. They just make me sick. I find that I am more open the my friends who are female than male, and my male friends seem to be less feeling like around each other.

Overall I think the whole sexism thing has been blown out of proportion lately. Either everything is sexist, or everything is racist. Sometimes it can really suck being a white male. Especially when a little ***** who has nothing better to do but yell and scream at you and everything else and I can't do nothing but stand there and take it.

I don't like to retaliate or argue with girls, because I am afraid that "OH NO! You can't argue with a girl, your too stupid to argue with a girl! She knows everything and I know nothing, she is right and I am wrong, and anything that I say back to her is obviously sexist and will spread around the school that "Russ hates women, and treats them like shit."

Seriously, some of those women need to look in the mirror sometimes, because well, women can be sexist too, just like black people can be racist too.

 

[Lord_Ascendant]

What Root is hinting at, i think. Is that the human brain likes pretty things. Even if the personality in them is terrible. You still get sex, just at a cost. Am I right??

Not so much pretty things, but we tend to ascribe more positive values to those with dominant postive qualities. Money, Power or Voice also work to overpromote someone.
It also works, in our case, with gaming knowledge: which is why gaming grrls are both scary and sexy.
(Unfortunately, a good girlie giggle or sharply dressed man gets a hell of a lot of forgiveness points)

i dunno what exactly attracted me to my gf. It jsut happened gradually. But Root has the theory down.

 

[Beffudled Sheep]

1) The most sexist thing i ever heard? Hmmmmm. I don't know, but i was let out of jail because i was a man and the other person was a woman.
2) Me is man. Me no able to answer question.
3) I don't know why they are so quick to jump on nor do i care. Im usually too busy fucking with a feminists mind to figure out their motivations.
4) It depends really on what you mean by nice.
Im considered too honest to be nice.
But if you get on my good side i will hunt down and brutally murder anyone who harms you. Does that make me nice?
Some of my friends seem to think that being sensitive and emotional makes you nice. I just laugh in their faces and point out the holes in their theory until there is nothing left.

 

[freakyHippo]

3)Why are so many women so quick to jump on the sexism-wagon?

In my own experiance i find more men jumping on the sexist bandwagon in a desperate attempt not to appear sexist themselves. Woman usually only cry sexism where true sexism has taken place in my experiance.

If you think that's true than you haven't taken a look at some of the online feminists who cry sexism seemingly all the time.

You're right, my experiances with women tend to be in the real world. As i don't tend to associate with online feminists i'm not exposed to that type of thing. Perhaps i should have said 'Real women usually ony cry sexism where true sexism has taken place'.

 

[Del-Toro]

Oggling breasts is being disrespectful?

Do you feel shame whenever you turn your head to check out an attractive male?

Great, someone else who sees what I see. There is this whole whine about objectification of women, the whole physically unrealistic image portrayed in media. Has it not occured that men feel the same way when we see male models or far more attractive celebrities? How do you think someone like me feels when all the girls are with the athletic douchebags? The same way the average or less than average woman feels when the pretty girls gets all the attention at the bars, school, or whereever the hell these things are taking place and all you can do is sit there. Besides, the media ruins everything, they are ruinin my generation, and they will ruin the next generation. Fucking MTV. Oh well, basically it happens to everyone so deal.