I feel sorry for American School Students
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Can you please cite a specific instance of this? My limited understanding is that Australia swings so far the other way it's not funny. Men simply don't want to be a teacher lest a struggling student lay out an accusation as blackmail. I had this strange impression the system was in desperate need of male teachers as a result. Have I been fed complete codswallop here?PneumaticSuicide said:
This is truth because I grew up in DC schools until I was like 9-10 b4 I moved to North Carolina just want the "No Child Left Behind" bullshit started. In DC schools they never taught us to a good standard so when I left those schools, I wasn't no where near a 5th grade level in NC standards so they send me back to the 4th grade half way through the year and I was still somewhat struggling. The NC school system seemed good until a 4-5 years to the present where its full of corruption and hypocrisy. This After they kicked me out of school for being sick on 18th birthday and a week after that. Then they got rid of my files so where I'll have to wait until next year to restart b4 I could finish 12th grade.illmuri said:
Now its all about supporting this new system where they heavily push math and science. Where English, history and other subjects are pretty much ignored. At the same time they're cutting school funding and jobs. They have no idea where to send kids to school because the busing system is so fucked up since every year or so the districts change forcing kids to change schools if they're being bused. Now the annoying ass NAACP is saying the changes to the busing system is racist because it focuses on neighborhood schools then wasting a lot of time and effort on busing kids dependant on their district and social diversity.
Those idiots don't realize it not the school's fault it "sucks" its the kids. If the kids in a neighborhood aren't gonna go do the work its only hurting them. I was at "white majority" schools through my time in NC and the majority of black kids didn't change their ways because of the school they were at or the people they hung out with overall they didn't care. The only thing they hated was waiting for like 45 mins to an hour for a bus where there was a VERY good school like 10-15 mins away.
There was an instance of a teacher in who was caught 3 times before being stripped of his of his teaching credentials, i cannot put a name or place to the story as it is still going through the courts here, however, once should be more than enough. I'm tired of people like this allowed to exist in public
I may be wrong on the matter but isn't it the case in America that you don't actually get to choose which schools you go to? You merely have to go the one that's closest to you in your state? I think i may be correct as i recall some woman being arrested for fraud or something of the like because she faked documents to get her child into a much better school in the state neighbouring her.
Isn't part of the problem that the schools don't actually have to put any effort in to win families over as they have to send their kids their regardless of whether it's shit or not? I say this because in England (more so the big cities with a larger proportion of schools) schools basically compete with one another to win over parents to get them to send their kids their, thus they have to look good and perform well to stand any chance of getting the students they need/want.
I could be just talking complete shit so apologies.
Isn't part of the problem that the schools don't actually have to put any effort in to win families over as they have to send their kids their regardless of whether it's shit or not? I say this because in England (more so the big cities with a larger proportion of schools) schools basically compete with one another to win over parents to get them to send their kids their, thus they have to look good and perform well to stand any chance of getting the students they need/want.
I could be just talking complete shit so apologies.
I'm willing to sacrifice the health of America's school children to spite Jamie Oliver. Thank god I was in 6th form when they removed the vending machines...
don't go to school in portsmouth do you? only my school was starting to do that when i left. seemed a very "production line" view on student welfare. but then, if you went to my old school then you'd know that was only the tip of the iceberg!Jakub324 said:My school (I live in the UK) is making people scan their fingers to pay for food in a COMPLETE dick move. I'm just glad I got into 6th form in time, because now I can hop off to Tesco if I get hungry.
TheRightToArmBears said:
yep nothing like manifesting fat cunts just to spite one man who is trying to stop obesity, goddamn people and their concern for people they don't have to worry about but do just to keep them alive long enough to realise they have only one shot at life and not to waste is on cheeseburgers
I agree, but I would say that every education system is flawed on a fundamental level. I have yet to see a system that works well, and I've looked. The system needs to change drastically, but I don't really know how to change it.PneumaticSuicide said:
same things happening here in Florida :/ theyre laying off my last english 4 teacher after her first and only year. there are only 4 english 4 teachers in total, probably 3 or 2 next year... but they arent laying off any of the like 10 math teachers.SoopaSte123 said:
i dunno about you, but i consider english to be quite a bit more important than fuckin calculus and trigonomics
It depends but basically if there is a good school they will basically get filled up and only allow in folks who live in the area to go there.RabbiiFrystofsk said:
Completely agreed. I worked in a socio-economically low school for several years and watched kids come in racing for breakfast and lunch because those were the only meals they were getting because they were free. Its hard to learn when all you can think about is where you can score some food.Zyntoxic said:
OT: My experience, school food tastes like crap but I got options. The biggest problems with Education here is horrible standardized testing. We teach for the test and not for an independent thinking whole person. You get punished for a under performing class and its all just a load of crap. It scares away potential teachers (me specifically) and there is little to no responsibility placed on the kids or their families.
Yet we don't raise taxes on the wealthy and we sure do love our defense spending too.
Alot of that has to do with the unions. Its a seniority thing. While it sounds good on paper, alot of times that is the unfortunate result of it. Most of the time, the employees with longer tenure, crappy or not, cannot be touched and the employees with the least amount of time will get canned.SoopaSte123 said:
Haha well I have pretty opposite views. Being an Electrical Engineering student, nothing prepared me for college more than my one math teacher and his awesome calculus class. As for English, well, I didn't really have any good English teachers and learned it just fine on my own.Vykrel said:
Regardless, though, a good teacher is a good teacher no matter what subject they're in, and I hate that we're losing them.
i agree that america needs to work out some problems (which is easier for me since i'm 'foreign') and although the health of america is important, i don't think food is the top priortiy, there are bigger concerns (like glenn beck)
No, it's that American politicians fundamentally fail to support the education system. When you attack the education system itself, that includes the teachers who are in the trenches trying to do their very best with the rapidly-shrinking resources and pay provided to them.PneumaticSuicide said:
And handling the food for America's schools? It's bloody goddamned hard. At or above half of the kids in most areas are on the "Free Lunch Program." And you don't want to tax the few that can afford it by pushing the cost onto them... which would actually put some of them under the qualifying line, and lead to an avalanche of "Free Lunch" kids. They keep lunch rooms at a bare-bones staff and keep their hours as tight as possible, so you're limited to things you can 1) cook quickly, 2) store almost indefinitely, 3) buy at bargin basement prices, 4) have the kids eat in less than 20 minutes.
Bear in mind that most of our school boards and superintendents don't have backgrounds as teachers. They're local business owners and politicians, who make decisions based solely on money (and pandering to those who elect/appoint them, who also share much of the ignorance about how education really works). So, when folks talk about "privatizing education," they're actually talking about giving those even more power to shit things up royally.
Ouch. You have my pity.HiC said:that is nothing compared to being from Egypt, especially since im a Christian (y'know like the same as those people who's churches are burning
OT: from what I've seen, yeah you guys have bad education
And yes, our education system leaves a lot to be desired. Fortunately, I no longer have to suffer through it.
Haha, thanks for the sympathy. To be honest, I would have loved it about 3 years ago. The food I ate was pretty unhealthy, but hey. Got to eat something.
Most Americans know our school system blows. So nope, don't see this as an attack.
Most Americans know our school system blows. So nope, don't see this as an attack.
Be glad they are giving out anything at all. I despise how our school systems are devolving into a dens of mediocrity or worse. Most are going to a system where success and proper behavior isn't rewarded at all, where the good students are treated the same as bad students.nickd007 said:
It is one of the main principles of success, if people work hard and succeed, they get rewards for success and proper behavior. It is a cornerstone to show students what can happen if they work hard and succeed in life in the real world and in a job or career.
My dad went to work every day and worked hard, if he was sick, he still went to work. Only if he was really sick would he use one of his appointed sick days for what it was meant for, not to play hooky from work. He ended up getting raises for his hard work, dedication, and attendance to work. When he retired he even got excepted back as a contractor, because he wanted to come back for something to do on the side to keep him busy in his retirement.
Students need to learn that there are consequences to their actions. If they don't attend school, their grades will suffer and they will receive penalties, though it takes a great deal more absences to get thrown out of school than it does to get fired from a job. They also need to know that keeping regular attendance in the important things in life can produce rewards for them.
Now I think 200 dollars is a bit much, 100 would have been more reasonable. Now I don't know how your school counted the perfect attendance, but if they did it properly, they didn't count legitimate sick days against the perfect attendance, because I know my grade schools had a set number of allowed days for people to be absent for sickness, like 5 excused absences with a doctor's note. I remember people that were absent 4 times for legitimate illness and still got perfect attendance, because the school system knew that such things aren't counted against attendance in a proper work/job environment.
The problem with schools these days is that many of them are going under rule that rewards are bad because it looks like preferential treatment to certain students and that it waves a flag in the bad students' faces that they aren't doing well.
Not having rewards for success and proper behavior in schools is stupid. The bad students need that constant reminder that they are doing bad and that better things can come if they try harder. Though we don't just, need the rewarding, we also need special attention as well for the bad students. Schools need teachers that can pinpoint problem students and reform them.
Back in my days in elementary school, all students had sticker cards with fifty places on them. A student got a sticker on and empty places if he or she got an "A" on an assignment. For every five sticker spaces filled, the student would get small candy bar or some other piece of candy, it depended on what the teacher had purchased for the class. Students that got a full card filled, got a king-sized candy bar.
I also remember students getting money rewards in my junior-high school for honor-roll and attendance. Now it was nowhere near 200 dollars, because that is just silly, but there were 20 to 100 dollar rewards for various things.
Another part of the problem is that now from several cases I have seen, like with at my little nephews school, the only kids that get special rewards are the bad students that do slightly better on assignments. My little nephew came home and showed us a little smiley face that was drawn on his paper by the teacher for a 95%. He then proceeded to tell us another boy in his class got a piece of candy and a smiley sticker. I asked him if that kid got a 100%, he said, "No, he got a D. He got rewarded because he didn't get an F this time."
If anybody should have got a sticker and candy, it should have been my nephew. The "D" kid should have just got some words of encouragement and that he needs to work harder. People in real world jobs don't get rewards for finally doing their jobs at least half-assed.
The system going backwards and falling apart, the successful don't get the recognition that is due to them and the slackers and failures are getting rewards at least trying once in a blue moon. This seems to move along with the trend in non-academic society where people that are successful have a stigma placed on them that they must be bad people to get where they are, so they must be punished in some way.
Success should be praised and rewarded, if the failures don't want to keep trying and actually make something of themselves, they should be ignored and receive nothing.
spartan231490 said:
there is no doubt about that statement, schools like to pride themselves on what sets them apart but most of the time they are same. I like to think i know what is required but the reason behind this particular thread is simply to point out a terrible way to teach children how to look after themselves
Yeah, I understand that, but it's still unfortunate. My dad is an elementary school gym teacher, so I understand why unions are so important, too, but in cases like this they're doing more harm than good. Double edged sword, I suppose.Riff Moonraker said:
It would be so easy for my school board to ask the students who the best teachers are, and they'd realize all the ones they're letting go are the best ones who still have a passion for their jobs. I could also see lawsuits coming out of that, though, even if unions weren't involved, so I understand WHY they're doing it that way, but that just makes me realize how messed up the entire system is.