I got sacked... :(

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thedelightfulme

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My probation ended April 26th. A meeting wasnt held until 3rd of May to tell me i was sacked.
Inbetween that time, i have worked. Meaning that according to this i have the job, and entitled to 3 months notice of a dismissal.

The reason for my probation extension is that, I made a complaint about one of the managers (he was bullying me). Problem was, he was the OWNERS SON. So, I got sacked. But unfortunetaly for them, im intelligent enough to know my rights. One of the manaagers argued that probation wasnt a contract (which everyone knows it is due to the fact employment of any kind needs a contract due to law), however his stupidity knows no bounds, has he SHOWED me my probation contract after I made my complaint!



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Extending probationary periods


Employers will often include a probationary period in the contracts of all new employees, and this will usually provide for a shorter notice period to apply during that period and also for the period to be extended where there are any doubts over an individual's performance. A recent case has confirmed that if an employer wants to exercise its option of extending the probationary period, it should actively take steps to do so and to inform the individual that the period is being extended before expiry of the original period.

Ms Przybylska commenced her employment with MT Ltd on 3 October 2005. Her contract stated that there was to be a probationary period of three months during which either party could terminate on one week's notice; thereafter three months' notice was required. The contract also gave MT Ltd the express right to extend the probationary period (and one week's notice) "where circumstances may not have allowed an objective assessment of your [Ms Przybylska's] performance to be made".

The probationary period ended on 2 January 2006 (a bank holiday). Ms Przybylska returned to work on 4 January 2006 but the company had not taken steps to extend her probationary period. A meeting was set up on 19 January 2006 to carry out Ms Przybylska's probationary review. After a further meeting on 31 January 2006 she was told her employment was to be terminated with one week's notice. Ms Przybylska argued that, as her probationary period had ended, she was entitled to three months' notice.

The Employment Tribunal ruled that there was an implied term in Ms Przybylska's contract that her probationary period would be extended until the employer indicated that it was over. As the probationary review was not carried out until 19 January, it was reasonable to assume that the probationary period (and the one week notice period) was still in effect. The Tribunal therefore determined that Ms Przybylska was only entitled to one week's notice.

The EAT overturned this decision on the basis that there was no need for such an implied term as there was an express term in the contract allowing MT Ltd to extend the probationary period if it so wished. As MT Ltd had neither dismissed Ms Przybylska nor exercised its right to extend the probationary period during the initial period, it had lost the right to terminate the contract on one week's notice. Ms Przybylska was therefore entitled to three months' notice.

This case serves as an important reminder to employers of the need to carefully monitor the performance of employees during their probationary period and to take prompt steps to address any concerns. Provided the contract allows for the period to be extended, this should be done in advance of the initial period ending. To avoid any oversights the safest course of action might be to provide in the contract that the probationary period continues until the employer confirms in writing that it has been successfully completed.
 

JC175

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Yeah, that sucks, but I don't know what you could achieve by talking about it here. Go out there and fight for your rights.

What was the job by the way?
 

thedelightfulme

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I worked in a cinema. makes it all the more sucky..
and what i forgot to right in the OP, was:

Do you think i have a case?
 

Gitsnik

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I have three thoughts here, first is that I would like to express my sentiments towards you for being relieved of your position.

Second, the business process does not always permit things to happen on the very day necessary, sometimes you need to get off and do what you need to to get things done - in this case, requesting a probationary meeting should not have been necessary, but should have been done anyway.

Finally, you seriously said something about having a beef with the owners son while on probation? I hope you have learned the lesson here - Probation period == kiss everyones ass. If anything you should be kissing ass until at least 6 months into your job, any job. Not only is it good business manners, it helps prevent moments like this.

That said, perhaps the company is in need of getting rid of people. They would have given you some bullshit mechanic about "not being a team player" or not having the right "fit factor" if you were fired for the argument, if it was for money and/or a lack of skill they would have said something else.

Condolences again though, I haven't been fired (yet), but as someone almost as young as you are, I know what a rip it can be getting work sometimes.
 

JMeganSnow

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THREE MONTHS' NOTICE?! WHO THE HELL GETS THREE MONTHS' NOTICE?!!?!?!?!

In the U.S., you get zero notice, and for a damn good reason--they're afraid you'll do something nasty (say, to the computer system). Firing consists of "you're fired" followed by you being escorted to collect your belongings and then escorted from the building with a final "we'll mail you your check."

Being fired is not the end of the world. Get over it and get a new job.
 

Daye.04

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I feel your pain, mate. I just got the notice that I'm fired myself.
The reason? No Norwegians. Apperantly, we're too expensive. Well, kiss my ass I say!
Anyway. Luckily I've got one more contract to finish, and then I'm without occupation. Meh!
 

Oopsie

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thedelightfulme said:
I worked in a cinema. makes it all the more sucky..
and what i forgot to right in the OP, was:

Do you think i have a case?
Where do you live?
 

SimuLord

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Booze Zombie said:
What's the point in fighting for a job when the guy in charge is a cock?
A very worthwhile point. Your workplace sounds like a miserable place to spend forty hours a week. I wouldn't take a job with a company like that.
 

thedelightfulme

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Oopsie said:
thedelightfulme said:
I worked in a cinema. makes it all the more sucky..
and what i forgot to right in the OP, was:

Do you think i have a case?
Where do you live?
Cornwall, England.

SimuLord said:
Booze Zombie said:
What's the point in fighting for a job when the guy in charge is a cock?
A very worthwhile point. Your workplace sounds like a miserable place to spend forty hours a week. I wouldn't take a job with a company like that.
Its more of the principal. I know its probably too late for me, but if i fight and make a stand, they will think twice before they do it to someone else. I am friends with all of the others that work there. By making a stand and proving my point i will set a precedent for the way management should treat the other staff.
 

jasoncyrus

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Sue for unfair dismissal. You were bullied and since it was the owners child you were sacked.

Thats unlawful and is definately an unfair dismissal. Go make a packet from them!
 

RetiarySword

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thedelightfulme said:
I worked in a cinema. makes it all the more sucky..
and what i forgot to right in the OP, was:

Do you think i have a case?
Yep, you got canned for un-just reasons. The owners son needs to be dealt with.

(Slip me £50 in my paypal and I'll take care of that for you ;-) )
 

HateDread

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thedelightfulme said:
I worked in a cinema. makes it all the more sucky..
and what i forgot to right in the OP, was:

Do you think i have a case?
Awwwh, Daddy! You remember mwee? <33

You can come work with me in Australia, wrestling Crocodiles and taming Kangaroos for jousting :)
 

CrustyMedic

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I think a good practice for any company is to have a performance review for any new employees prior to probation being reached so that any performance issues can be identified and remediated. Decisions on extending probation or perfomance improvement can be met in a objective not subjective manner.
 

ThreeWords

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Booze Zombie said:
What's the point in fighting for a job when the guy in charge is a cock?
I think that you have a chance, but my gut agrees with Booze Zombie.
I myself wouldn't try to stay, since if the managers son is a bully, and the manager lets him get away with that even after complaints, it won't be a place worth working at
 

Dr. Nerfball

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Make them burn for their crimes. Especially if it's an Imax cinema, those places are hell. Oh, and...
Silva said:
Booze Zombie said:
What's the point in fighting for a job when the guy in charge is a cock?
Survival.
How exceedingly true, although I will admit when I got fired from my job I just snuck back in and raided the supply closet. Fun times! Gruiella office warfare. Hey, actually, thats what you should do! Liberate the opressed cinema worker masses! Viva la revolution!
 
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JMeganSnow said:
THREE MONTHS' NOTICE?! WHO THE HELL GETS THREE MONTHS' NOTICE?!!?!?!?!

In the U.S., you get zero notice, and for a damn good reason--they're afraid you'll do something nasty (say, to the computer system). Firing consists of "you're fired" followed by you being escorted to collect your belongings and then escorted from the building with a final "we'll mail you your check."

Being fired is not the end of the world. Get over it and get a new job.
In England, you give 2 weeks notice for resignation and the company needs to give you 2 weeks to 6 months notice if you're going to be made redundant so you can sort out benefits and stuff.