I have not played an RPG to match FF10 yet... what would you suggest?
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1. Mass effect.
2. KOTOR I and II. Turn-based-ish, where you choose your actions that your character executes when in combat with designated time between each action.
3. Morrowind (poor graphics, annoying distance fog, but god-amazing immersiveness and atmosphere) and Oblivion (shiny, better combat/graphics).
2. KOTOR I and II. Turn-based-ish, where you choose your actions that your character executes when in combat with designated time between each action.
3. Morrowind (poor graphics, annoying distance fog, but god-amazing immersiveness and atmosphere) and Oblivion (shiny, better combat/graphics).
Guys, shut the hell up about "you must not play many RPGs, fnar fnar" or "well, that's not really an RPG" or "you call that an RPG? This is an RPG" (Crocodile Dundee references optional). The Final Fantasy series are RPGs, just JRPGs, and there's no way to debate personal preference without sounding like a total jackass. Either put up real suggestions and be helpful, or just shut up. The self-congratulatory, snide, snarky, and presumptuously judgmental crap doesn't help anything. Badmouthing a game someone else liked doesn't make you sophisticated and worldly, it makes you a tool.
Rather than simply bemoan your choices of games (I liked FFX, personally), here are my suggestions. Though, bear in mind, it largely depends on why you loved FFX:
Shin Megami Tensei Persona 3 and 4. Well done games, combining dungeon-crawling exploration with RPG elements, and a stats/ability system which (while fairly intuitive) requires a good amount of customization. The stories are fantastic, and will actually make you feel for the characters. You'll like it for the depth and the characters, as well as the combat.
Super Mario RPG: An old one, but one of the best RPGs ever made. A Nintendo/Squaresoft collaboration which actually turns the Mario mythos into an exceptional RPG. Witty, charming, and fun. Think of it as a forerunner to the Paper Mario games, but... You know... Better.
FFXII: Okay, it plays a bit like an MMO, and that's not always fun. The draw of any epic tale of intrigue and world-altering adventures is still there, but it can feel a bit drawn out at times. Like FFX, you'll like it for the characters, but there's so little by way of actual character development, that you may feel like they just threw together a "greatest hits" of past characters and called it good. You'll like it for the characters (if you're able to live with a bit less of the cinematic feel of FFX), and you'll despise the combat.
Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2: Fantastically done combat, immersive stories, and you actually feel like you're a freaking jedi. There's nothing more to say. Buy them. Right this second
Mass Effect: Epic space opera (in the best sense of the word). The combat is much more similar to Fallout 3 (for better or worse), but the story keeps humming right along (unlike Fallout or Oblivion), and there's a good balance between "I know where to go" and "there are awesome side missions" that you can both explore and not get bogged down.
Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 (maybe Chain of Memories): vastly different combat system, more like God of War with RPG elements, but the story is good enough to keep you going. Look past the initial reaction that Disney makes everything bad, and it's sufficiently dramatic and funny to be really good.
Fire Emblem (all of them you can find): Turn-based strategy is always a bit of a leap for an RPG (Final Fantasy Tactics was so-so in many regards, and lost a bit when the story went nuts), but the Fire Emblem series pulls it off with grace. Every character is well-characterized, and has his or her own drawbacks. It's a pretty steep learning curve, but it's worth it to finish the final few levels with your full army intact. There's no real continuity between series (Fire Emblem 6 and 7 are self-contained, as are the two for the Gamecube and Wii), but each story is well-told, and really draws you in. The combat is simple to learn, difficult to master, and it takes a good amount of strategy and planning to win a lot of the time.
Fallout 3: Liam Neeson is about all I can recommend. I got waylaid around the second city, when I didn't know where to go, and didn't care enough to explore every nook and cranny. If you can access the story, I hear it's good, but getting on the train for that was more trouble than it was worth.
Oblivion: Same problem (though substitute Patrick Stewart for Liam Neeson). The game wants you to feel connected to your pseudo-avatar, but without clear direction and purpose, it's difficult to actually justify playing. Around the fifteen-hour-mark, when I'd done about sixty useless side quests, and achieved about nothing, I decided that a book was actually more immersive. It intends to give us an "I can do anything" feel, but that requires making us care about the person we're playing. Going from "here's your entire backstory, your complete motivation" to "whatever you want goes" feels a bit like putting down the video game and picking up some action figures. If I wanted to make my own story, I'd write a book, and not pay $60 for the pleasure.
Rather than simply bemoan your choices of games (I liked FFX, personally), here are my suggestions. Though, bear in mind, it largely depends on why you loved FFX:
Shin Megami Tensei Persona 3 and 4. Well done games, combining dungeon-crawling exploration with RPG elements, and a stats/ability system which (while fairly intuitive) requires a good amount of customization. The stories are fantastic, and will actually make you feel for the characters. You'll like it for the depth and the characters, as well as the combat.
Super Mario RPG: An old one, but one of the best RPGs ever made. A Nintendo/Squaresoft collaboration which actually turns the Mario mythos into an exceptional RPG. Witty, charming, and fun. Think of it as a forerunner to the Paper Mario games, but... You know... Better.
FFXII: Okay, it plays a bit like an MMO, and that's not always fun. The draw of any epic tale of intrigue and world-altering adventures is still there, but it can feel a bit drawn out at times. Like FFX, you'll like it for the characters, but there's so little by way of actual character development, that you may feel like they just threw together a "greatest hits" of past characters and called it good. You'll like it for the characters (if you're able to live with a bit less of the cinematic feel of FFX), and you'll despise the combat.
Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2: Fantastically done combat, immersive stories, and you actually feel like you're a freaking jedi. There's nothing more to say. Buy them. Right this second
Mass Effect: Epic space opera (in the best sense of the word). The combat is much more similar to Fallout 3 (for better or worse), but the story keeps humming right along (unlike Fallout or Oblivion), and there's a good balance between "I know where to go" and "there are awesome side missions" that you can both explore and not get bogged down.
Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 (maybe Chain of Memories): vastly different combat system, more like God of War with RPG elements, but the story is good enough to keep you going. Look past the initial reaction that Disney makes everything bad, and it's sufficiently dramatic and funny to be really good.
Fire Emblem (all of them you can find): Turn-based strategy is always a bit of a leap for an RPG (Final Fantasy Tactics was so-so in many regards, and lost a bit when the story went nuts), but the Fire Emblem series pulls it off with grace. Every character is well-characterized, and has his or her own drawbacks. It's a pretty steep learning curve, but it's worth it to finish the final few levels with your full army intact. There's no real continuity between series (Fire Emblem 6 and 7 are self-contained, as are the two for the Gamecube and Wii), but each story is well-told, and really draws you in. The combat is simple to learn, difficult to master, and it takes a good amount of strategy and planning to win a lot of the time.
Fallout 3: Liam Neeson is about all I can recommend. I got waylaid around the second city, when I didn't know where to go, and didn't care enough to explore every nook and cranny. If you can access the story, I hear it's good, but getting on the train for that was more trouble than it was worth.
Oblivion: Same problem (though substitute Patrick Stewart for Liam Neeson). The game wants you to feel connected to your pseudo-avatar, but without clear direction and purpose, it's difficult to actually justify playing. Around the fifteen-hour-mark, when I'd done about sixty useless side quests, and achieved about nothing, I decided that a book was actually more immersive. It intends to give us an "I can do anything" feel, but that requires making us care about the person we're playing. Going from "here's your entire backstory, your complete motivation" to "whatever you want goes" feels a bit like putting down the video game and picking up some action figures. If I wanted to make my own story, I'd write a book, and not pay $60 for the pleasure.
Tales of Legendia .... it's an rpg where the fighting part is something like a 2d fighter like KOF... hell, I wish they would move Tale of Rebirth & Tales of Destiny for the PSP out of japan and into the rest of world.
The witcher for the pc is plagued with problems if you have an nvida based graphics card... and even then it still has bugs.
turn based games... Disgaea is more strategy but for people who are addicted to grind.
Turn based games like FFX ... have you tried FFx-2 ? That game was made for fans like you.
Have you tried the HACK series of rpgs? You know that fake mmo game?
The witcher for the pc is plagued with problems if you have an nvida based graphics card... and even then it still has bugs.
turn based games... Disgaea is more strategy but for people who are addicted to grind.
Turn based games like FFX ... have you tried FFx-2 ? That game was made for fans like you.
Have you tried the HACK series of rpgs? You know that fake mmo game?
Nah 10 was made of fail and aids.
you need some FF6. that was a fantastic game.
as for fallout and oblivion - if i wanted action id play an action game. halflife is the second coming as far as im concerned and no amount of first person D&D or stat fsked gunplay will change that.
if you want to play an rpg play something that has merits as an rpg
you need some FF6. that was a fantastic game.
as for fallout and oblivion - if i wanted action id play an action game. halflife is the second coming as far as im concerned and no amount of first person D&D or stat fsked gunplay will change that.
if you want to play an rpg play something that has merits as an rpg
If your a Final Fantasy Fanatic, definately play Final Fantasy Tactics, the game is really old, but they made a remake for the PSP called Final Fantasy Tactics: the war of the lions.
Man that game was enjoyable! the storyline was outstanding. Basically play any of the Final Fantasies actually.
But if thats not your taste, there are plenty of games better than FFX, i suggest Pesona 3 and 4 (play 3 first as it sort of connects to number 4)
Man that game was enjoyable! the storyline was outstanding. Basically play any of the Final Fantasies actually.
But if thats not your taste, there are plenty of games better than FFX, i suggest Pesona 3 and 4 (play 3 first as it sort of connects to number 4)
Mm. I think I've seen more Golden Sun fans on here then I have Tales fans which surprises me. Now I also have the strange urge to play ToS.Bilbo536 said:
I can also reccomend Shadow Hearts(Atleast nr1)
And Tales of Symphonia. (Damn i should check out Vesperia)
Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance, Now i dont think the game is perfect in any way, with some lame dialogue and a few glitches, but if you play with a friend its great fun
And Tales of Symphonia. (Damn i should check out Vesperia)
Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance, Now i dont think the game is perfect in any way, with some lame dialogue and a few glitches, but if you play with a friend its great fun
Turn-based combat doesn't always blow, but in FF's, it sure does. The combat is boring, repetitive, and doesn't need any skills.delta4062 said:
OT: Fallout 1&2, Planescape: Torment, Baldurs Gate 1&2 + ToB, Mass Effect.
From these Planescape and Mass Effect are my favorite.
I have to give more of a try to Fallout 3. Still, I really love turn based combat. To me, it is about making judgment calls, ie, do I want to heal, fight, speed up, add defenses? I tried Tales of Symphonia and felt like I was watching rather than playing.Trotgar said:
Definitely check out the BioWare RPGs: Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, and Mass Effect. They're all a little different. Most of the older titles feature turn-based combat, which would be familiar to you if you play a lot of JRPGs. BioWare is also renowned for its characters and story-telling ability, so if you want a game with some sort of emotional connection, definitely check out their titles. Baldur's Gate 2 gets my nod for greatest game of all time, and Mass Effect is the best game I've played this generation. Also watch out for Dragon Age: Origins, coming out in about 2 weeks (woot!).