I like twilight.

[there is no spoon]

Let me clue you into the real problem with Twilight. It was all mostly stolen from another author. I kid you not. I have three sisters and they LOVE Twilight, and yes I have read the entire series. Not that I semi defended my masculinity I will digress. There where a series of books written by, no I'm not joking, a even worse author who's name escapes me. The Vampire Diaries were the name of the books, and they were written first. Let us check some of the similarities shall we. 1. Vampire Diaries, the vampires can semi control people minds. Edward can read thoughts, and Jasper can control people emotions, which your mind controls. 2. In Vampire Dairies drinking human blood makes you many times more powerful. In Twilight drinking human blood makes you slightly stronger. It's down played in Twilight, but the human blood thing does appear. 3. In vampire Diaries the main character, a brooding male vampire, falls in love with a human teenage girl who is brooding over the loss of her parents. In Twilight a brooding male vampire falls for a semi brooding girl. You can call her emo but I prefer brooding. In Vampire Dairies the lead girl finds out her best friend, also unknown to best friend, is a vampire hating witch, yes it's complicated, no don't ask. In Twilight main brooding girls best friend, unknown to best friend, turns out to be a vampire hating werewolf. I can do this all day. Stephanie Meyer was even accused of plagiarizing some of the stuff in her book from before mentioned series. She literally claimed to have never read them. BEEP BEEP, sorry guess my bullshit detector went off, my bad. This probably won't change your mind, and you probably won't even read this, but it changed my perception of her. She lost what little respect I gave her when I found out these books existed, and were written a number of years beforehand.

 

[DarthVanitas]

Bad writer or not, Stephanie Meyer is a rich genius.

 

[mkg]

Glad you like it. I don't like that vampires have gone from eternal symbols of evil representing violence, sexual deviance, and an unquenchable thirst for power to misunderstood intellectuals to something more close to the actual legend (Bram Stoker's) to something close to an eastern asian crime cartel to.... angsty teenagers? How does a 300 year old immortal man decide that a pouting 16 year old american girl from the suburbs is the most complex and beautiful being he's ever encountered? If the blood is the life, then twilight is the death.

 

[TOGSolid]

I could go on a rant about how bad Twilight is but instead I'll just say:

Ponder this - Why is a 2 or 300 year old (hell if I know the actual age) guy hanging out in a high school and picking up underage chicks?

Mmmm pedophilia.

 

[jamesj223]

lol.. this thread is a joke right?

also to the guy who said something about twilight copying the vampire diaries, i thought the argument was that twilight borrows heavily from the southern vampire mysteries (true blood) by charlaine harris.. i could be wrong, and regardless twilight is horrible...

i've attempted to read the first one and the writing is so piss poor i stopped.. my younger sister is a huge twilight fan, and she agrees that the writing is bad, as are the plot, and many of the characters.. i asked her 'why do you like it then?' and she shrugged...

 

[crudus]

Now, I don't hate Twilight because the characters are shallow, the writing was bad, and the core concept stupid beyond reason. I hated it because this is just a retelling of the same "girl meets boy" story that has been told better with a stupid hook (Hint: its the vampires). I hate "(gender) meets (other gender)" stories as it is because I don't find the stories or characters believable(a few exceptions but not many). As for the sparkling vampires thing goes: it really turned vampires into scary/mysterious/badass creatures of the night into emos (at least that is how Edward comes off to me).

I used that for the heading cuz I knew it would attract attention, and prolly hatred as well.

You manipulative bastard.

Let me clue you into the real problem with Twilight. It was all mostly stolen from another author. I kid you not.

Sadly <a href=http://www.cracked.com/article_17299_6-famous-characters-you-didnt-know-were-shameless-rip-offs.html>history has proven <a href=http://www.cracked.com/article_18500_the-5-most-famous-musicians-who-are-thieving-bastards_p1.html> isn't a <a href=http://www.cracked.com/article_18530_5-pop-culture-classics-created-out-laziness_p2.html>problem.

 

[cardboard pirate]

I didnt mind the books they are a kindof guilty pleasure to me. I get the mickey real bad for liking them. haha
I think its mostly the last book that really fuels the hate. That book did kindof jump of the deep end in my oppinion.

 

[mikeysnakes]

I hate Twilight solely on it's approach to characterization, or more importantly gender roles. If you're reading something that's shallow and simple, that's fine. But the idea that a book was written to target teenage girls, and re-enforce rather than dissuade this view that many of them have. The main characters are just an endless reinforcement of the idea that men should be selfless super humans that will give up everything for a cardboard cut-out woman they barely know. It's really nothing short of sexism, sure it's no glass ceiling but gender roles can really effect a large amount of people, and if you reinforce this notion more and more will truly believe that this is the way the world is and should be.

As for reinventing vampires, I think the Legacy of Kain series did an amazing job at that, and were able to keep a good amount of realistic characterization and plot too.

P.S. I'm definitely not against artists using stereotypes or social roles to their advantage, but when it's used to endorse the stereotype and 100% blindly and wholeheartedly support it, then I can't really respect that.

 

[AgDr_ODST]

All's I can say is to each his own. I mean Im glad you liked it. but personally I can't stand the books the movies and all the acursed merchandise thats come out, this is for a number of reasons not the least of which(ie the biggest) is the utterly nuts fans who worship the ground TL and RP(both of whom are terrible actors that make crap movies(with Sharkboy and Lavagirl being the only exception)) walk on. I could go on for longer but I think I'll just leave it at that.

 

[MelziGurl]

I never have been able to understand why vampires MUST be scary. The myth may have been started that way, but it's just that...a myth. It looks at vampires from a different perspective...what is so wrong with that?

I liked the books more than the movie, though I generally like books more because they explain more. I am a fan of anything vampire though, I don't set standards.

You realise that vampires were originated from a man called Vlad, right?

Now, this Vlad, is the reason vampires exist, and he wasn't a very calm and peaceful guy. This man has about 8 paragraphs on "Methods of Execution" in Wikipedia, he was such a sick bastard he'd invite friends to dine with him, eating turkey and drinking red wine around a pile of corpses. Now, you might not know who I'm talking about, but this man is more frequently called 'Vlad the Impaler'. If you're thinking, "that's not that scary", you're probably thinking of an Impala.

This is an impala.
http://myanimalblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/impala-07.jpg
And this is an impaler
http://net.lib.byu.edu/estu/euro/erdely/impaler.gif

Now, if you're saying to me, that a demonic beast spawned from tales about a demonic man, shouldn't be scary?

Meyer either wanted to cash in on people who got excited by 'a vampire romance', or is unimaginative enough to change an already existing myth to suit her fantasies.

Where at all did I say they shouldn't? I didn't say they shouldn't or couldn't but they don't HAVE to be scary. It doesn't matter who bloody created the creature or where it originated from, the creature is still myth and one of many different myths at that. It's not real, until someone can whip a vampire out of their areshole that proves pure evil with no gentle qualities whatsoever then the myth can be re-defined however an individual sees fit.

 

[Tekkawarrior]

I just hate Robert Pattinsons face, every time I see it, it just makes me sick.

 

[spartan231490]

"You manipulative Bastar"
Guilty as charged.

 

[spartan231490]

I never have been able to understand why vampires MUST be scary. The myth may have been started that way, but it's just that...a myth. It looks at vampires from a different perspective...what is so wrong with that?

I liked the books more than the movie, though I generally like books more because they explain more. I am a fan of anything vampire though, I don't set standards.

You realise that vampires were originated from a man called Vlad, right?

Now, this Vlad, is the reason vampires exist, and he wasn't a very calm and peaceful guy. This man has about 8 paragraphs on "Methods of Execution" in Wikipedia, he was such a sick bastard he'd invite friends to dine with him, eating turkey and drinking red wine around a pile of corpses. Now, you might not know who I'm talking about, but this man is more frequently called 'Vlad the Impaler'. If you're thinking, "that's not that scary", you're probably thinking of an Impala.

This is an impala.
http://myanimalblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/impala-07.jpg
And this is an impaler
http://net.lib.byu.edu/estu/euro/erdely/impaler.gif

Now, if you're saying to me, that a demonic beast spawned from tales about a demonic man, shouldn't be scary?

Meyer either wanted to cash in on people who got excited by 'a vampire romance', or is unimaginative enough to change an already existing myth to suit her fantasies.

Where at all did I say they shouldn't? I didn't say they shouldn't or couldn't but they don't HAVE to be scary. It doesn't matter who bloody created the creature or where it originated from, the creature is still myth and one of many different myths at that. It's not real, until someone can whip a vampire out of their areshole that proves pure evil with no gentle qualities whatsoever then the myth can be re-defined however an individual sees fit.

Dracula originated from Vlad the Impaler.
Vampires originated from how peoples gums, hair folicles, and cuticles retracted when they died, making it appear as though thier teeth, fingernails, and hair were still growing. As well as poor medical technology causing people to be buried whilst still alive and then breaking out of the coffins, ect. This led to the believe that these people were actually undead, who knows where the other parts of the legend (read: death by sunlight, stake, blood sucking, ect.) came from.

 

[spartan231490]

Dozens of you continue to make the same arguements about her reading, but does anyone have any quotes? As for using the same adjectives, I guarentee you that she uses more adjectives than most of you use in your everday lives, is it really so repulsive to you that she repeatedly used adjectives that fit the situation, in her opinion, better than any others? People I know have complained about WoT series because Jordan used the word "guttural" over and over and over. Has it occured to them that this was done intentionally in order to create an association between that word the trollocks, maybe because it perfectly describes them? Thats just my opinion.

Thanks everybody for keeping the forum relatively civil. I expected it to be troll fest after post 5 with this title.

 

[spartan231490]

Let me clue you into the real problem with Twilight. It was all mostly stolen from another author. I kid you not. I have three sisters and they LOVE Twilight, and yes I have read the entire series. Not that I semi defended my masculinity I will digress. There where a series of books written by, no I'm not joking, a even worse author who's name escapes me. The Vampire Diaries were the name of the books, and they were written first. Let us check some of the similarities shall we. 1. Vampire Diaries, the vampires can semi control people minds. Edward can read thoughts, and Jasper can control people emotions, which your mind controls. 2. In Vampire Dairies drinking human blood makes you many times more powerful. In Twilight drinking human blood makes you slightly stronger. It's down played in Twilight, but the human blood thing does appear. 3. In vampire Diaries the main character, a brooding male vampire, falls in love with a human teenage girl who is brooding over the loss of her parents. In Twilight a brooding male vampire falls for a semi brooding girl. You can call her emo but I prefer brooding. In Vampire Dairies the lead girl finds out her best friend, also unknown to best friend, is a vampire hating witch, yes it's complicated, no don't ask. In Twilight main brooding girls best friend, unknown to best friend, turns out to be a vampire hating werewolf. I can do this all day. Stephanie Meyer was even accused of plagiarizing some of the stuff in her book from before mentioned series. She literally claimed to have never read them. BEEP BEEP, sorry guess my bullshit detector went off, my bad. This probably won't change your mind, and you probably won't even read this, but it changed my perception of her. She lost what little respect I gave her when I found out these books existed, and were written a number of years beforehand.

I've looked at the vampire diaries series, never read it, maybe I should. But from reading the synapsis and a couple of chapters, they don't seem that similar to me. At all, but I haven't read the entirety, so maybe I'm wrong. Does Vampire diaries have anything like the volturi, cuz thier kinda the main theme, other than romance obviously, in twilight.
note, I am starting to get desperate for new books to read. I seem to have read all the ones that I like, any suggestions. Epic sword and sorcery books are my favorite, but I'll read almost anything, as seen by my liking twilight, seriously below my average standard for books.

 

[AMMO Kid]

The actors don't seem like interesting people to me so I refuse to watch them. I'll watch ANY movie with Liam Neeson in it though...

 

[Canid117]

The sparkle thing is more of a joke reason for hating it. When people are seriously discussing why they dislike the books is because either A) The writing was awful (I have not read the books so I can neither confirm nor deny) or B) The main character is in an obviously unhealthy relationship and is being glorified for it.

I've read the books and I support A, and you forgot C where Edward and Bell have very little personalities/character traits so anyone can insert themselves into their shoes and have their little fantasy.

Am I the only one who would be a little creeped out if some random guy broke into my house and told me "I like watching you sleep."

I am right there with you. Why didn't Bella pull out a stake the next day and shove it into his chest?

 

[MelziGurl]

I never have been able to understand why vampires MUST be scary. The myth may have been started that way, but it's just that...a myth. It looks at vampires from a different perspective...what is so wrong with that?

I liked the books more than the movie, though I generally like books more because they explain more. I am a fan of anything vampire though, I don't set standards.

You realise that vampires were originated from a man called Vlad, right?

Now, this Vlad, is the reason vampires exist, and he wasn't a very calm and peaceful guy. This man has about 8 paragraphs on "Methods of Execution" in Wikipedia, he was such a sick bastard he'd invite friends to dine with him, eating turkey and drinking red wine around a pile of corpses. Now, you might not know who I'm talking about, but this man is more frequently called 'Vlad the Impaler'. If you're thinking, "that's not that scary", you're probably thinking of an Impala.

This is an impala.
http://myanimalblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/impala-07.jpg
And this is an impaler
http://net.lib.byu.edu/estu/euro/erdely/impaler.gif

Now, if you're saying to me, that a demonic beast spawned from tales about a demonic man, shouldn't be scary?

Meyer either wanted to cash in on people who got excited by 'a vampire romance', or is unimaginative enough to change an already existing myth to suit her fantasies.

Where at all did I say they shouldn't? I didn't say they shouldn't or couldn't but they don't HAVE to be scary. It doesn't matter who bloody created the creature or where it originated from, the creature is still myth and one of many different myths at that. It's not real, until someone can whip a vampire out of their areshole that proves pure evil with no gentle qualities whatsoever then the myth can be re-defined however an individual sees fit.

Dracula originated from Vlad the Impaler.
Vampires originated from how peoples gums, hair folicles, and cuticles retracted when they died, making it appear as though thier teeth, fingernails, and hair were still growing. As well as poor medical technology causing people to be buried whilst still alive and then breaking out of the coffins, ect. This led to the believe that these people were actually undead, who knows where the other parts of the legend (read: death by sunlight, stake, blood sucking, ect.) came from.

And once again, as I pointed out before...it doesn't matter where it originated. A vampire is still myth and can be recreated like it has been for many years.

 

[MelziGurl]

The sparkle thing is more of a joke reason for hating it. When people are seriously discussing why they dislike the books is because either A) The writing was awful (I have not read the books so I can neither confirm nor deny) or B) The main character is in an obviously unhealthy relationship and is being glorified for it.

I've read the books and I support A, and you forgot C where Edward and Bell have very little personalities/character traits so anyone can insert themselves into their shoes and have their little fantasy.

Am I the only one who would be a little creeped out if some random guy broke into my house and told me "I like watching you sleep."

I am right there with you. Why didn't Bella pull out a stake the next day and shove it into his chest?

You do realise stakes don't actually kill vampires in Twilight?

 

[Canid117]

The sparkle thing is more of a joke reason for hating it. When people are seriously discussing why they dislike the books is because either A) The writing was awful (I have not read the books so I can neither confirm nor deny) or B) The main character is in an obviously unhealthy relationship and is being glorified for it.

I've read the books and I support A, and you forgot C where Edward and Bell have very little personalities/character traits so anyone can insert themselves into their shoes and have their little fantasy.

Am I the only one who would be a little creeped out if some random guy broke into my house and told me "I like watching you sleep."

I am right there with you. Why didn't Bella pull out a stake the next day and shove it into his chest?

You do realise stakes don't actually kill vampires in Twilight?

Then shoot him in the face... or kill him with fire, whichever works.