Pluvia said:
crimson5pheonix said:
Did he use telekinesis? I always assumed he just pulled some zen archery stuff. If all he was doing was forcing the missile where it needed to go, why not keep the targeting computer on to have the missile go closer to where it needed to so he wouldn't have to strain himself so hard?
In either case, he wasn't working against another force user. Her beating Ren at his own game makes Ren look weak. Why are we scared of him? If 3 derps can take him in a fight, we can presume a squad of troopers can and we have to ask why no one has stopped him. Why can he kill his fellow Jedi in training without Luke being able to stop him but not deal with these 3? Do we assume that wasn't an emotional experience and that he got through it unscathed?
Well the missiles weren't targeting anything and they were in space. It wouldn't be like pulling of a fancy trick shot, the only way those missiles could've moved is if he moved them himself. He turned the computer off to rely on the force.
So then, why were any other bombers on the bombing run? A bunch of them went in expecting to take the shot, but nobody else could use the force. Why did Han say the shot was one in a million? He doesn't believe in the force. If the missiles were only moving because of the force, shouldn't he be acknowledging the force is real or wondering how that happened? Also lol at the missiles not moving themselves, missiles have propulsion.
Ren was winning that fight. Despite having been shot by a shotgun basically, he still wiped the floor with Finn. He was toying with him in that fight then just straight up beat him. He even beat Rey until she tapped into the force, he wasn't trying to kill her remember, she spent that entire fight running away because he was more powerful.
Well Finn isn't force sensitive and was using a weapon that's been noted to be dangerous to use for non-force sensitives. But didn't he manage to land a blow anyway? And I don't know if it was that one sided against Rey, she was doing fine holding him off before just wrecking his shit.
A squad of troopers probably could take him yes. Jedi Masters were taken out by just a handful of troops with ease remember. But like them he always seems to fight with an army, so that explains why he hasn't been stopped. When it comes to fear very little people feared him throughout the film, despite the people he was just about to kill of course.
Makes for a bad villain. As if his ridiculous appearance without his helmet was bad enough. But with Vader you figured he could stop a squad of troopers, though it helps that he can stop blaster shots with his bare(ish) hands.
How can he kill his fellow Jedi in training without Luke being able to stop him? Luke was most likely away (I'm incredibly confident this will be the case when we see it).
I'd believe that, in which case it's a bad mark on Luke. But that still leaves him fighting however many other padawans when he received about as much training as them (presumably).
BloatedGuppy said:
crimson5pheonix said:
So at best, her piloting skill is on par with an old smuggler who is regarded very well despite having never left her planet, implying that she shouldn't know dick about piloting.
It's established relatively early on that she's flown before, just never off planet.
You deriving that her skills here "on par" with Han because of two throwaway bits that ended with an unimpressed Han walking away is you seeing something that you were looking for.
I don't know where that happened. I remember she uses speeders, but that's about it.
More than two bits and Han does say (repeatedly if I remember) that she knows what she's doing. She so impressed him that he asked her to join up with them. You forget that?
crimson5pheonix said:
Otherwise, as I suspect, she's even better.
As evidenced here. You are literally filling in your own blanks to disgust YOURSELF about how the character was portrayed. As I've said repeatedly, there was room for an intelligent discussion about Rey's characterization, but it was very quickly drowned out by polarized crap like "SHE'S BETTER THAN EVERYONE AT EVERYTHING WHAAAAAARGARBLE".
I'll stop saying that when there's a chance for her to fail. Like I said, the typical second movie event is to have the main character lose a hand, hopefully she keeps up that tradition.
crimson5pheonix said:
It is indeed, because as Novak pointed out his writing isn't consistent.
Novak's salient assertion that Kasdan is not god's gift to screenwriting is irrelevant to the question of whom, between Kasdan and yourself, should be considered a steward of the character of Han Solo.
I never claimed to be a steward, I just said Han seemed like he was acting out of character. The writer's opinion matters, but no one person is the definitive voice on this. Though judging from how many people are saying Rey is a Mary Sue, I imagine I'm not the only one with this opinion.