I really don't like Deus Ex: HR

[The-Epicly-Named-Man]

I love the fact this guy's attacking everyone who posts on this thread, regardless of whether they agree with him or not. Just grow up.

 

[The-Epicly-Named-Man]

@elcher
at least im not alone in this ^_^ I mean i could see how people COULD like it but there's all this talk of it being a contender for GOTY. and a lot of reviews give it 9 out of 10. I feel that nostalgia has blinded the world.

You do realise that the nostalgia-tards all hate this game, right?

Not all of them! After all, given the little nod this game kindly makes to us "nostalgia tards" at the end, it can't be possibly to hate it!

Then your not a nostalgia-tard . It wasn't a comment on nostalgia, it was a comment on people who judge games based on nostalgia, generally hating anything that deviates from a stagnating formula established 10 years ago. No offence was intended towards you.

 

[Moeez]

Okay, from what i have played so far i am not very impressed.

For starters this game claims that you can "play it how you want." Well that couldn't be farther from the truth. This is a stealth game plain and simple; you just get to choose whether it is a game where u shoot people that know your around there somewhere, shoot people that have no idea your there, or u can choose to not kill people but instead put them into a magical coma with your non lethal pistol/tazer and tranq rifle.

Or just "ghost" it and not touch a single soul? That's what I did most of the time. I haven't knocked out a single person during all the time I've played it.

 

[MarsProbe]

@elcher
at least im not alone in this ^_^ I mean i could see how people COULD like it but there's all this talk of it being a contender for GOTY. and a lot of reviews give it 9 out of 10. I feel that nostalgia has blinded the world.

You do realise that the nostalgia-tards all hate this game, right?

Not all of them! After all, given the little nod this game kindly makes to us "nostalgia tards" at the end, it can't be possibly to hate it!

Then your not a nostalgia-tard . It wasn't a comment on nostalgia, it was a comment on people who judge games based on nostalgia, generally hating anything that deviates from a stagnating formula established 10 years ago. No offence was intended towards you.

Oh, you mean those nostalgia-tards . I get it now.

Anyway, in a way I'm inclined to agree with something that was said in Edge Magazines review of this game where they brave enough to suggest that this games story may actually be a better one than that of the original game. The reason being this one wasn't riding on all the conspiracy theories that people have came up with. It would have seemed quite jarring if Greys had turned up in Human Revolution after all.

Perhaps David Sarif summed things up quite well when, on the subject of the Illuminati, he asks Jensen if he thinks people will really believe in some 18th century conspiracy theory.

 

[Judgement101]

Good for you, it's an opinion, why should we care?

 

[Knobody13]

snip

Okay I'm not a grammar nazi, and I completely agree with you.

But it's "nobody" not "knobody". I'm sorry, but that is just too weird. It literally made me shiver and I don't know why.

Abbreviations don't bother me, I think this forum is rubbing off on me. I need an extended holiday away from The Escapist, ironically.

What my name lol? I spelled it with a K so that i could use it as my handle without worry it was taken.

 

[Knobody13]

@elcher
at least im not alone in this ^_^ I mean i could see how people COULD like it but there's all this talk of it being a contender for GOTY. and a lot of reviews give it 9 out of 10. I feel that nostalgia has blinded the world.

You do realise that the nostalgia-tards all hate this game, right?

Not all of them! After all, given the little nod this game kindly makes to us "nostalgia tards" at the end, it can't be possibly to hate it!

Then your not a nostalgia-tard . It wasn't a comment on nostalgia, it was a comment on people who judge games based on nostalgia, generally hating anything that deviates from a stagnating formula established 10 years ago. No offence was intended towards you.

whoah stop "attacking" this guy. Oh wait, you put "No offence was intended towards you." So, I guess that makes it ok. Well no offense intended toward you; but your both wrong and a hypocrite. All i have been doing is clarifying my opinion and commenting on what people say. I reserve the word attacking for when i insult their character. Like what I'm doing with you right now.

 

[devotedsniper]

I played up to the first boss, died on him and gave up for the night, i haven't gone back on it since (about a week now). It just didn't grab a hold of me like most games do, i found the combat (i went down killing but with silencers) just "meh", the controls for it are abit annoying (yes being on pc i could change them but still), and i also found the actual accuracy of some guns abit wild (e.g assualt rifle spraying, even when you just burst fire (when your actually trying to single shot with it), and the ai just seemed to walk into bullets sometimes. The game in general was somewhat, well i don't really know how to describe it so i will just use zelda2fanboy's word "clunky".

Thats about it really i can't think of anything else to say about it bad wise but i can't really think of anything good to say about it either, i just found it as one of those games you can play through but not really pay much attention to, it's a shame really i usually like stealth games.

I'll probably get flamed for this post since as usual the fanboy's and fangirls hate someone who actually shows the flaws, dislikes or hates there game, shame your not allowed an opinion on the internet.

 

[Netrigan]

No freedom? Compared to what? People love FPS games where you are fighting along corridors, they love it. But a game that gives you more freedom of movement, they ***** because its not as much freedom as they thought? Ive played this game both full violence and full stealth, and the enjoyed both...although the stealth was more interesting. I just think people played it more like a FPS, got killed in seconds and labeled the game shit as a result. Even with full augs you cant taken more than 5 bullets before your dead. You take your time, experiment, explore and gain money and xp for stuff. You get out of it what you put into it. If you rush through it, read none of the emails/newspapers and ebooks and play it like a FPS then yes, the game will suck. Could just mean this isnt the game for you and you should look else where. Same as me with the COD games, i find them boring and simplistic shooters with zero freedom. But i wouldnt write a thread about it.

Although the only negative thing i hated in the game was the bosses. You couldnt stealth them and do a takedown on them, which sucked when you played the game stealthy.

Hopefully their will be more games like this than COD. Although i will be happy if COD had massive multi tier levels in a city you had to make your way through, and you had the freedom of choice to take multi different routes. Level structure hasnt changed since Doom.....i always thought by the time computers were super powerful and we get open world games like GTA and Oblivion, that FPS war games would end up that way. Fingers crossed they will (not set in a forest area but full huge destroyed cities, like the fightening in WW2.)

Your argument rests solely on the shoulders of the False Dilemma logical fallacy. There are more than 2 choices of game in the world; so saying that one is better than another does not make it the best, great, or even good. Did i mention CoD anywhere in my post? If anything i was comparing this game to other RPG's. You are one hundred percent correct; if we are comparing this game to CoD then it wins hands down. Unfortunately the world is full of MANY good games that i don't think HR holds a candle to.

It's a hybrid. It's not meant to be as deep as an RPG, it's meant to bring some of that complexity to a shooter.

And I think it holds up reasonably well against other hybrids. Fallout 3 and New Vegas feature much more open areas, but so much of the combat unfolds in extremely predictable ways as you wander around the Wasteland. One abandoned factory plays out like the next, with the only difference being your weapon specialization.

HR reigns you in more with its level design, but the smaller levels means they can include far more paths through the world. I've been wandering around Detroit for the last couple of days and am constantly finding new areas and new paths. That density of detail simply isn't available in an open world game which bulks up content by inserting a lot of dummy buildings that you can't enter.

Another hybrid game that comes to mind is Crysis 2, which structured all of its levels with stealth in mind. Although, again, not as dense as HR. You could find almost all the accessible areas in about two playthroughs. You might miss a closet or two, but HR features destroyable walls and vents a-plenty. Just last night, I was playing around with the wall punch aug and was surprised when I took out a gang member via a wall punch.

For a shooter, there's a surprising amount of depth to Human Revolution.

 

[Seishisha]

Gota say im actualy enjoying the game immensely but i do share some of your complaints, i have a few of my own aswell, the guns most of them seem basicly useless, for a game that herds you towards taking your time and being stealthy do you realy need anything other than 10mm pistol with a few upgrades (excluding the boss battles), i mean it kills the most heavily armored guys in two shots if hit in the head, ammo for it is abundant everywhere you go.

A large portion of the game is fairly close quarters aswell or atleast has ample cover and hiding spots so that you can get close enough without being detected making the longer range guns less usefull, ive played through most of the game now and i think ive used my sniper rifle twice just for fun.

Alot of the augmentations dont realy feel like choices either they feel arbitrery, like the dermal armor, sure you can avoid spending points in it, buf if your in a tightspot your gonna get tured into swiss cheese without it, the same could be said for stealth, its just too usefull to not get.

On the opposite note alot of the augments feel useless, hacking fortify: never used it, the entire rebreather selection, the stealth enhancers for cone of vision or last known location marker, that last one in particular is pointless since the AI will just blindly unload amunition into the last place they saw you (normal difficulty, ive no idea if they flank your position better on hard), that is untill they forget about you alltogether.

I feel the hacking system could have been better, it seems like scanning emails or whatever for access codes should have givin its own exp bonus too, for example "Password 50xp" that alone would have made it seem more viable than just hacking the console for the extra exp regaurdless of having the code or not.

As for your complaint about the fact that non violent takedowns or useing the tranq gun give more exp than blowing somones brains out, i actualy like that often it requires more skill or better timing to avoid detection, and the fact that not killing people is considered a more worthwhile approach is quite refreshing, after all most games give you rewards based on how many dudes you kill or how much stuff you blow up, its nice to see rewards for somthing other than the pile of skulls you've just collected.

 

[Knobody13]

You do realise that the nostalgia-tards all hate this game, right?

Not all of them! After all, given the little nod this game kindly makes to us "nostalgia tards" at the end, it can't be possibly to hate it!

Then your not a nostalgia-tard . It wasn't a comment on nostalgia, it was a comment on people who judge games based on nostalgia, generally hating anything that deviates from a stagnating formula established 10 years ago. No offence was intended towards you.

whoah stop "attacking" this guy. Oh wait, you put "No offence was intended towards you." So, I guess that makes it ok. Well no offense intended toward you; but your both wrong and a hypocrite. All i have been doing is clarifying my opinion and commenting on what people say. I reserve the word attacking for when i insult their character. Like what I'm doing with you right now.

Hahaha, you're an easily aggravated little twat, aren't you. It was clear to him and anyone who properly read my post, that I said he didn't fit my description of a nostalgia-tard. Reread it, then get back on your high-horse.


Edit; Also, how exactly am I a hypocrite? I didn't pick up on it on my first read through your post, but that doesn't make any sense. Oh, and yes, the twat comment was an attack at you. Because you're a twat.

just stop attacking me i can't take it anymore /sob

 

[Knobody13]

Well, i wouldn't know, since i haven't played the game. But let me make something clear.
IT!
IS SPELT!
"YOU"!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
YOU. NOT U. YES? YOU KNOW WHAT WE WANT YOU DO? THANK YOU.
It is impossible for me to take you seriously (read: not get really bloody pissed off) when you do that. Okay?

It is in fact spelled... Well, you have it right there. Its "spelled", not "spelt".

LOL i am laughing so freaking hard right now roflmao

 

[Knobody13]

Not all of them! After all, given the little nod this game kindly makes to us "nostalgia tards" at the end, it can't be possibly to hate it!

Then your not a nostalgia-tard . It wasn't a comment on nostalgia, it was a comment on people who judge games based on nostalgia, generally hating anything that deviates from a stagnating formula established 10 years ago. No offence was intended towards you.

whoah stop "attacking" this guy. Oh wait, you put "No offence was intended towards you." So, I guess that makes it ok. Well no offense intended toward you; but your both wrong and a hypocrite. All i have been doing is clarifying my opinion and commenting on what people say. I reserve the word attacking for when i insult their character. Like what I'm doing with you right now.

Hahaha, you're an easily aggravated little twat, aren't you. It was clear to him and anyone who properly read my post, that I said he didn't fit my description of a nostalgia-tard. Reread it, then get back on your high-horse.


Edit; Also, how exactly am I a hypocrite? I didn't pick up on it on my first read through your post, but that doesn't make any sense. Oh, and yes, the twat comment was an attack at you. Because you're a twat.

just stop attacking me i can't take it anymore /sob

How mature of you to report me. Really, just blow me.

I didn't report you. I believe in freedom of speech no matter how moronic or offensive someone is. If the escapist wants to filter the voices of its subscribers, ill leave it to them and the subscribers who care.

 

[Greni]

Well, now I see why other threads have been so quiet in the 'dickhead' department. They all went here.

I only read the original post though, just ran through the butthurtness of the last seven pages. You do make valid points. When I first saw the "Ghost" xp bonus I was all "the hell?" so it really is just a stealth game in disguise. I'd also like to ***** about the way the world map is constructed. To get from one end of the street to the other you have to go through air-vents? Really?!

Also, does writing 'U' instead of 'You' really save that much time? Really weird reading something so well written but with U scattered all over.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

When I first saw the "Ghost" xp bonus I was all "the hell?" so it really is just a stealth game in disguise.

Stealth requires a heavy investment in praxis points. You need to go up the stealth tree, you need to grab silent movement augs, you need hacking augs (for cameras and bots), and you realistically need to dip at least a little into cloaking.

Playing the game as a straight up shooter requires 4 points, all put into armor.

So, no...it's not a "stealth game in disguise", although one could argue that the stealth game is a richer experience.

I'd also like to ***** about the way the world map is constructed. To get from one end of the street to the other you have to go through air-vents? Really?!

Is this Detroit you're talking about? There's another way around.