I want to talk about Metal Gear Solid

[darkfox85]

So I?ve been dipping back into one of my favourite games and I thought I?d start a thread on it because... I can. The sequels are good to, but for the best is the ?first.?

I love the game and I pretty much just want a directionless ?shoot the shit? thread about it. Favourite characters, funny moments, hated moments, stupid moments. Whatever. What?re your memories?

 

[w9496]

You know the cave with the dogs in it? Yeah, screw that place.

My favorite moment was when I landed a few hits on Psycho Mantis without swapping controllers. It wasn't a serious effort to beat him, I just wanted to see if I could.

 

[King Aragorn]

Damn that dark cave in MGS3 to hell. I think I spent 2 hours in there.
I'm excited for GZ. Mostly because it's building upon PW, which I loved. Most of PW's short comings were system limitations.

My favorite? hmm...
Either MGS3/MGSW.

And oh, Portable Ops, canon or not?

 

[Wullie]

I can't even remember where I got the demo disc, simply that I played that opening segment dozens and dozens of times until I got the full version.

That radar map with the guards and the vision cones looks so archaic now, at the time it felt to me like the most radical and progressive gameplay innovation imaginable.

 

[alphamalet]

Here is a direction for the thread!

MGS3 >>>>>>>>>>>> MGS1

 

[King Aragorn]

Well, he IS based off of Lee Van Cleef...

 

[Pink Gregory]

"Excellent speech, my friend; gift of the silver tongue. They say it's the mark of an officer, and of a liar."

That scene is indelibly etched into my memory from constantly playing the demo that came with Zone of the Enders.

Also because it's awesome, in a ridiculous and hammy kind of way.

 

[darkfox85]

You know the cave with the dogs in it? Yeah, screw that place.

It doesn?t help you have to go through that place about four times. Pain in the arse. It took until maybe my third play through to realise if you equip that handkerchief, the wolfs don?t attack you.

My favorite moment was when I landed a few hits on Psycho Mantis without swapping controllers. It wasn't a serious effort to beat him, I just wanted to see if I could.

I still remember the first time I ever fought him. It took forever then I died. I was cheesed, but Campel told me to switch controllers and it was easy. I try and do it ?legit? every time now just because it feels good when I best him!

 

[darkfox85]

The first time you encounter Revolver Ocelot. Pretty much my favourite character in the series.

"Right. Touch that wire, and the C4 will blow up, along with the old man! ... So you're the one the Boss keeps talking about..."

He is the very definition of a moustache-twirling villian.

Aw definitely! He was awesome. This suave yet smarmy, overconfident bastard who practically gets off prior and during the battle. The infectious snarl in his voice. Deliciously evil and having fun at the same time.

The guy has style and presence for sure, but it?s kind of a shame that he lost his hand and we never got a good ?round 2.? We didn?t even get a good fight in the sequel which was a real missed opportunity.

But in the old game, he did spin that revolver a bit too fast though XD

 

[King Aragorn]

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The guy has style and presence for sure, but it?s kind of a shame that he lost his hand and we never got a good ?round 2.? We didn?t even get a good fight in the sequel which was a real missed opportunity.

Speaking of which, am I the only one that find the arm possession excuse better than the nanomachines one in MGS4?
I was not a fan of the entire plot device, honestly. He overused it to death in what..half of C1?

 

[darkfox85]

Speaking of which, am I the only one that find the arm possession excuse better than the nanomachines one in MGS4?

Hmmm. I got mixed feelings on all of that but I do agree. I liked the MGS2 arm possession. For a franchise with a telekinetic KGB psychic and a freaking bipedal tank I?ll let a few goofy/preternatural things slide and I was down with the possessed arm. But the resolution in MGS4 was kind of a letdown really. Like I was being conned all along. It was nanos/hypnotherapy all along. Boo!

But nanos (whatever the fuck they are) could?ve been a reasonable excuse for the possession (real possession I mean.) Dormant nanos in the severed arm, Liquids memories, etc. Maybe they could?ve done something better with all that.

But THEN there?s this whole thing that Ocelot was the son of The Boss and The Sorrow. I never picked up on that and I played MGS3 about seven hundred times. It just doesn?t make sense from a narrative POV. (Do they not recognise each other? What?s the point of her bringing up the sacrifice? Is there supposed to be dramatic weight in there? Was there going to be a dramatic reveal but the dev team ran out of time? Etc.) If Ocelot did inherit his fathers abilities as a medium, it would sooth the suspension of disbelief over the possessed arm and provide a convenient explanation no nanos required.

But THEN we find out it?s all a lie anyway. So ?son of Boss/Sorrow? is a thread that really didn?t add up to anything, and I?m more disappointed about that. I like to believe that somewhere is a new character that really is the son of The Boss with awesome CQC/clairvoyant powers. Ocelot just seems like a waste for something this rich when, as I?m sure we all agree, he already has plenty of character as he is.

... yeah I think about these games a little too much :-/

 

[Xarathox]

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The guy has style and presence for sure, but it?s kind of a shame that he lost his hand and we never got a good ?round 2.? We didn?t even get a good fight in the sequel which was a real missed opportunity.

Speaking of which, am I the only one that find the arm possession excuse better than the nanomachines one in MGS4?
I was not a fan of the entire plot device, honestly. He overused it to death in what..half of C1?

I'm with you on that. Also, Vamp not actually being undead.

I always considered Kojima to be smarter than the average bear. While he did re-use the same plot in all four games (history repeats itself, etc.) I was at least convinced he would never stoop to coping out with a McGuffin. I was wrong. Nanomachines explain it all! (blegh)

Anywho, I'm off to go play the MGS HD pack since I haven't gotten around to it yet.

 

[King Aragorn]

Also, am I the only one who found MGS4 a bit too fan serviced?
And also,

Spoiler

Zero being made the main antagonist of the ENTIRE series without much interaction beforehand?

 

[Kiefer13]

Snake Eater is my favourite, but the first MGS still has a special place in my heart too, being etched almost in its entirety into my memory from countless hours playing and replaying it when I was younger.

My favourite character would definitely have to be Ocelot. The way he always seemed to know what was going on and played everyone against each other to achieve his own goals and the style he did it with makes him probably one of my favourite antagonists of all time.

 

[King Aragorn]

Damn that dark cave in MGS3 to hell. I think I spent 2 hours in there.
I'm excited for GZ. Mostly because it's building upon PW, which I loved. Most of PW's short comings were system limitations.

My favorite? hmm...
Either MGS3/MGSW.

And oh, Portable Ops, canon or not?

Portable Ops is Canon. Not Portable Ops +, though. I haven't had a chance to play PeaceWalker, is it any good? MGS3 is definitely my favorite of the series, so more Big Boss makes me happy. However I have been stuck trying to finish other games like MGS4 (Going for all the Trophies, same with MGS2).

Also, is MGS5 == MGS Ground Zeroes? I am confused on that part.

PO is not canon IMO.
First of all, it has been taken out from the latest Japanese MGS timeline.
Beforehand, it was made a ''side game'' from a important missing link.
Also, it's almost not mentioned at all, minus a fourth wall joke in MGSW
AND, it's contradicted by saying ZEKE is the first Metal Gear, instead of the ones Gene was behind.

Peace Walker is great. Try it out.
And not really, MGSGZ is the prologue to 5.

 

[Korenith]

Also, am I the only one who found MGS4 a bit too fan serviced?
And also,

Spoiler

Zero being made the main antagonist of the ENTIRE series without much interaction beforehand?

Not at all. MSG4 felt really good the first time as I got all the "in jokes" and stuff but actually when I replayed it and thought about the whole experience more it felt seriously lacking.

Also nobody told me to do the controller port switch the first time I fought psycho mantis and I spent about an hour dodging his attacks and using all my rations up. I managed to get about 2/3 of his life down before he killed me and I found myself seriously pissed off. Then the next time I wander in an immediately get told about it. It was both awesome and frustrating at the same time.