I'm a vegan and I come in peace...

[DoomyMcDoom]

I suffer from dietarily inflicted depression which causes my emotional stability to suffer pretty majorly, I've tried a vegan diet, like REALLY tried it, using a huge variety of plant matter including avocados and olives for fats and peanuts/almonds/soy for protein... doesn't work for me, I get depressed and angry all the time, fly off the handle for little to no reason, and when I'm not pissed/sad/tired I feel weak and horrible... when I consume meat regularily I'm a happy positive person who only takes issue with reasonable things(generally) and had energy to live and love, to enjoy myself... that and I actually gain muscle mass and strength from working out rather than just suffering aches and pains and getting weak...

I know I differ from others, my sister was a happy vegan for years, she started eating meat again for the taste when she stopped going out with her vegan boyfriend(also it's easier to get a tasty meal anywhere from anyone in any household, if you aren't strict about your stance on eating meat...)

As far as respectful treatment of animals, I would prefer they be raised in healthier climates, and be fed propperly and slaughtered humanely, but due to our rabid industrialism... well... not gonna happen... Won't stop me from eating meat though, tastes good, the fats from animals helps regulate my hormone production and helps keep my mood stable, also I love food in it's many forms and to deny any major ingredient is to blaspheme the cullinary arts...

Way I see it, eat what you want, live how you want, it's your choice... The world in which we live(not meaning earth persay, but our overarching society on earth... How we percieve the world) is either beyond salvation or has to be how it is to progress through the natural stages of existence.

 

[jpoon]

Welcome to earth vegan! Most of us humans love flesh but we'll still eat some salad with you on occasion. To me it's just as natural as any other animal that eats meat, just the way it is and the way it will continue to be so long as we're alive and kicking. I prefer it this way too, seems like it would get entirely boring to not eat meat but that's just me.

 

[RoBi3.0]

Eggs,milk,nuts,and whole grains hardly have any protein in them you would need to eat a big amount to get enough protein. Soy is a horrible source for men and vegetables have like no protein in them. People are meant to eat meat period.

Wow this statement is all kinds of wrong. 1 cup of dried parsley contains 31 grams of protein. Yes no one is going to eat one cup of dried parsley all at once, but it proves that plants do contain protein.

Men only need 56 grams of protein daily to avoid deficiency women only need 46 grams. It isn't that hard to sit down and eat 56 grams of plant protein in a day. Is is easier to just eat a steak....yes, but to say humans need meat is a silly notion.

 

[chowderface]

"Humans are omnivores" doesn't mean "humans don't actually need to eat meat if they don't want to". It means "humans are designed to take nutrition from both meat and plants and the optimal diet contains both". Yes, it's possible to live without meat, but that doesn't mean it's right for everyone; I have a friend who's a pescatarian (vegetarian plus fish), except that she occasionally has to have some chicken or she will literally die, because she needs something (she's never told me exactly what) that's only in the chicken. If you have ethical concerns over the treatment of the animals, then by all means, live vegetarian, but don't say that meat is unnecessary, because if you do my friend would like to shank you in the kidneys for trying to kill her.

I guess I don't really understand some of where the philosophy of veganism specifically comes from. Eggs are basically chicken menstruation (ie something the chicken is not using), and once the calf is weaned, same for milk.

I totally agree with everything you say, although I think the milking part isn't a problem for cows (I think it isn't painful or anything), more the probably insanely annoying(for them) fact that they're forced to stay in one place, etc.

Cows actually like to be milked. Or, not "like" as in it's something they spend all day anticipating, but it's preferable to waiting for their body to realize the calf is on solids. It's something akin to taking a wicked piss, if you needed someone else's help to pee; see, like the kidneys, the mammary glands don't stop making milk just because they've reached the point physics has defined as "suitably full". Ask a woman who's just weaned her baby what her breasts feel like; she'll probably tell you they're kind of uncomfortable because she's still making milk, but it's not getting drunk. Same thing with cows; it hurts like a ************ for a while, and then the body reabsorbs the milk when it finally realizes it's not getting drunk. Or, the cow could get milked, and it stops hurting now, but it keeps making milk. There are a lot of farms out there where the cows don't get milked on a schedule; they just have things set up so that when the pressure builds the cow goes into the milking stall (of its own volition, even!), the machine is hooked up, some sweet relief is granted, and the cow goes back to its busy life of eating and pooping.

hmmm....
Eggs, Milk, Nuts.
There are a lot of ways to get Protein.
It really is no problem to be a vegetarian, you can get anything you need without problems, being vegan is the one that is difficult.

Soy and other beans and whole grains.

That just means it's possible, not that it's not difficult. If there's one thing I know for certain about being vegan it's that you have to plan out your day's meals stringently and there's not much room for error, because it's so easy to get yourself a wicked case of malnutrition if you do it wrong.

 

[Vivi22]

There are many divergent nutritional studies and opinions out there, but the gist seems to be that we can get by equally well on meat- or plant-based diets or any combination thereof, as long as we spend some time thinking about what nutrients we need and where to get them.

This means that there is no biological need for us to eat meat. We simply feel like eating it.

I agree that there are a lot of divergent nutritional opinions out there, and there have been a slew of poorly conducted, and in some cases, outright manipulated, studies which confuse nutritional issues, but I disagree with you on everything else.

I'm not going to sit here and criticize you for being a Vegan: that's your choice and you're welcome to it. But there is a lot of well conducted and compelling research out there now, and which continues to be done which points to eating meat not only being healthy, but being required. It's next to impossible to get the saturated fat the brain, immune, and other bodily systems need to function optimally without it.

That's true, but we are not animals.

Yes we are. To claim otherwise is silly.

To address your actual question more succinctly though, since I don't believe for one second that excluding meat is good a good choice when it comes to eating a diet with the goal being to facilitate optimum human health and functioning, I don't think that there is any problem with eating meat. It's what we evolved to do, and what we and our ancestors have done for millions of years. Our brains wouldn't even be what they are without the quantities of saturated fat we get in meat. Yes we are omnivores, which means that cutting out one of the major parts of our diet that actually makes us omnivores is leaving out a large chunk of what we need to be healthy. It's like asking a Lion to stop eating Antelope and start chewing on some grass instead.

I guess that wasn't more succinct at all actually. But I also want to add that just because I not only support eating meat, but actively encourage it, it does not mean I support the sort of factory farming and animal cruelty that can take place. I wholeheartedly am behind raising animals ethically, killing them as quickly as possible so they don't suffer, and utilizing every part of the animal so nothing goes to waste. Their sacrifice aids in our ability to thrive and they deserve our respect for that.

I suffer from dietarily inflicted depression which causes my emotional stability to suffer pretty majorly, I've tried a vegan diet, like REALLY tried it, using a huge variety of plant matter including avocados and olives for fats and peanuts/almonds/soy for protein... doesn't work for me, I get depressed and angry all the time, fly off the handle for little to no reason, and when I'm not pissed/sad/tired I feel weak and horrible... when I consume meat regularily I'm a happy positive person who only takes issue with reasonable things(generally) and had energy to live and love, to enjoy myself... that and I actually gain muscle mass and strength from working out rather than just suffering aches and pains and getting weak...

Believe it or not, you aren't alone in that. Our brains need the saturated fat that we can only get in large enough quantities from meat to function properly. Without it, a lot of people will feel kind of foggy at various times through the day or, like you and like myself, actually feel depressed or angry. If I don't eat sufficient quantities of meat I quickly start to fall into depression. I actually suspect that my vegetarian sister who's struggled with depression even longer than I have may have the lack of dietary fat as an underlying stressor if not a direct cause of her depression as well, though there's absolutely no getting her back to eating meat. The thought of it makes her physically ill at this point because she's been so hard core about not killing animals for so long.

 

[RoBi3.0]

"Humans are omnivores" doesn't mean "humans don't actually need to eat meat if they don't want to". It means "humans are designed to take nutrition from both meat and plants and the optimal diet contains both". Yes, it's possible to live without meat, but that doesn't mean it's right for everyone; I have a friend who's a pescatarian (vegetarian plus fish), except that she occasionally has to have some chicken or she will literally die, because she needs something (she's never told me exactly what) that's only in the chicken. If you have ethical concerns over the treatment of the animals, then by all means, live vegetarian, but don't say that meat is unnecessary, because if you do my friend would like to shank you in the kidneys for trying to kill her.

I guess I don't really understand some of where the philosophy of veganism specifically comes from. Eggs are basically chicken menstruation (ie something the chicken is not using), and once the calf is weaned, same for milk.

I totally agree with everything you say, although I think the milking part isn't a problem for cows (I think it isn't painful or anything), more the probably insanely annoying(for them) fact that they're forced to stay in one place, etc.

Cows actually like to be milked. Or, not "like" as in it's something they spend all day anticipating, but it's preferable to waiting for their body to realize the calf is on solids. It's something akin to taking a wicked piss, if you needed someone else's help to pee; see, like the kidneys, the mammary glands don't stop making milk just because they've reached the point physics has defined as "suitably full". Ask a woman who's just weaned her baby what her breasts feel like; she'll probably tell you they're kind of uncomfortable because she's still making milk, but it's not getting drunk. Same thing with cows; it hurts like a ************ for a while, and then the body reabsorbs the milk when it finally realizes it's not getting drunk. Or, the cow could get milked, and it stops hurting now, but it keeps making milk. There are a lot of farms out there where the cows don't get milked on a schedule; they just have things set up so that when the pressure builds the cow goes into the milking stall (of its own volition, even!), the machine is hooked up, some sweet relief is granted, and the cow goes back to its busy life of eating and pooping.

hmmm....
Eggs, Milk, Nuts.
There are a lot of ways to get Protein.
It really is no problem to be a vegetarian, you can get anything you need without problems, being vegan is the one that is difficult.

Soy and other beans and whole grains.

That just means it's possible, not that it's not difficult. If there's one thing I know for certain about being vegan it's that you have to plan out your day's meals stringently and there's not much room for error, because it's so easy to get yourself a wicked case of malnutrition if you do it wrong.

I am not a vegan nor am I a vegetarian. I do believe that western diets put far to much focus on meat. It isn't as important as the meat industry wants you to believe. As vegan prove it is possible to live without it. I don't believe it is necessary or important to not eat meat. Maybe just maybe we don't need to eat meat every meal and we defiantly should cut back on the red meat, that shit isn't that great for you anyhow.

 

[Vivi22]

Maybe just maybe we don't need to eat meat every meal and we defiantly should cut back on the red meat, that shit isn't that great for you anyhow.

Not true in the least. I have yet to see a credible, well conducted study make a case for eating red meat being harmful. Hell, the results of Ancel Keys original study (the Seven Countries Study) showing a link between consumption of saturated fat (and meat by extension) and heart disease which got the entire low fat diet movement rolling decades ago was fudged so he could show a correlation where his full and complete data showed none existed.

 

[aprildog18]

I don't think having everyone stop eating meat is a viable option. There just aren't enough good tasting plants/non-meat food.

Of coucse, everyone eating meat is bad too, but maybe now we are smart enough to not hunt animals to extinction.

 

[chowderface]

I am not a vegan nor am I a vegetarian. I do believe that western diets put far to much focus on meat. It isn't as important as the meat industry wants you to believe. As vegan prove it is possible to live without it. I don't believe it is necessary or important to not eat meat. Maybe just maybe we don't need to eat meat every meal and we defiantly should cut back on the red meat, that shit isn't that great for you anyhow.

Actually, as long as you're eating it in moderation (and you're not my dad, who is allergic to it), it is pretty good for you, it's a good source of iron, and also is delicious. Moderation, man. That's pretty much the secret to everything.

 

[Macgyvercas]

If you're going to try to convince me to not eat meat, don't bring morals into it. I have no problem with vegans, but the very instant you try to tell me that eating meat is ethically or morally wrong, you lose all ground you have gained up to that point.

You don't eat meat. That's fine, I respect that that's your choice. But don't you dare think you're better than me because of my choice of diet.

 

[renegade7]

Human beings are omnivores, which means they can AND SHOULD eat everything. You can't get all the nutrients you need on a vegan diet. Well with vitamin supplements you could I guess, but personally I'd rather have a steak dinner than a pill.

Off topic here, but what about fish? There is a case to be made that mammals possess some degree of intelligence, whereas fish are basically just fleshy automatons due to their lack of a forebrain. They aren't even self aware.

 

[gillebro]

Interesting OP, and some good points and reasons for becoming vegan.
I think it's important to note that, while for some, being vegan is a viable and beneficial option, other people do need the nutrients meat offers. Severely anaemic people, people who have non-meat food allergies, people who cannot tolerate eating meat substitutes because the taste of them makes them sick (hey, it happens), etc. Nutrition is quite an individualistic thing - different things don't work for everyone.

I'm personally not a fan of PETA and have not been for some time. But I am a massive animal lover, and I admit that lately I have been thinking about vegetarianism and whether I'm really comfortable with eating something that once walked around and moo'd. My problem is that I'm a fussy eater, and eating meat guarantees I'm getting proteins in my diet that I otherwise would not get. Meat is also cheaper than vegetarian alternatives. But, I'm thinking about it. I might just become vegetarian at some point down the line.

 

[Burningsok]

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You also have other natural tendencies you prefer to overlook. You don't rape girls just because they might have given you an erection. Claiming you deserve to eat meat because you have "canines" (very very small ones compared to true carnivores) does not mean a thing. Can you kill a running deer by biting it in the neck? And when exactly was the last time you killed your own food au naturel?

We are not carnivores. We are omnivores. We can eat anything. We must have developed this versatility when we did not have much choice when it came to food (we had to hunt or die), but now we can choose.

People saying that they do it because it's natural are just giving excuses for a weak moral line. Unless of course they don't care -- that is, I expect, most people.

Comparing people who choose to eat meat to rapists, well done there. Allow me to put it like this. Just because I choose to eat meat does not make me a rapist and being all high and mighty looking down on people from your pedastal is just childish seriously.

As I said I have no problem with people choosing to be vegetarians or vegans, I wouldn't to be one but I don't go around saying stupid comments like "You don't eat meat, you're as bad as the Nazis!" just because I don't agree with them. It's people like you who make a lot of people give abuse to vegetarians when you start comparing us to rapist.

And yes I could kill a dear by biting it in the neck, why I would even consider it under normal circumstances I don't know but yes I could and if I was stranded without food and any way to get help then maybe I'd go around biting dear.

About rape: I'm comparing a natural instinct to another natural instinct. One we have suppressed and called a crime and a taboo and the other is perfectly normal. Please tell me where my logic is wrong? I'm not calling anyone a rapist, by the way. I'm trying to make you understand that the "it's natural!" argument doesn't apply, because we have already replaced a lot of natural behaviours with more agreeable ones in contemporary societies.

Cadmium Magenta, I'm with you. I'm a vegetarian myself but admire vegans that do not make fools of themselves by being too preachy about their choices.

Prepare to be met with overwhelming close-mindedness and hypocrisy.

Last time I checked, animals aren't intelligent. There's no reason why we shouldn't eat them.

Would you eat a retarded person? How do you define intelligence? Are dogs, pigs or dolphins intelligent in your worldview?

No. They are not, with exceptions being chimps and dolphins. But last I checked very few people eat them. And how can you possibly equate a retarded human to a fish? Are the retarded humans not people? Or are people only those that are "functional" or "normal"?

I think that we have eyes in the front of our heads for a reason. I think e have canines for a reason. It's not wrong to kill animals for food it's how it's supposed to be, we're predators and if a person chooses to be a vegetarian or vegan then it's their choice. But I like animals, I don't agree with hunting for sport, testing products on animals and stuff like that but I'm not going to stop eating meat.

And yes we are animals and we think it's ok to kill them because we were designed to kill stuff to eat it...

You also have other natural tendencies you prefer to overlook. You don't rape girls just because they might have given you an erection. Claiming you deserve to eat meat because you have "canines" (very very small ones compared to true carnivores) does not mean a thing. Can you kill a running deer by biting it in the neck? And when exactly was the last time you killed your own food au naturel?

We are not carnivores. We are omnivores. We can eat anything. We must have developed this versatility when we did not have much choice when it came to food (we had to hunt or die), but now we can choose.

People saying that they do it because it's natural are just giving excuses for a weak moral line. Unless of course they don't care -- that is, I expect, most people.

It is natural boss. If you make a conscious choice to be DIFFERENT from the norm(IE: not eating meat) you are breaking the natural order. One might as well say that if you chose to only drink milk because water is a resource that shouldn't be wasted on hydration and only used for crops and if you disagree its because you have weak ethics. That makes no sense at all. As for the raping thing, yes rape is horrible. And just because a girl gives you an erection doesnt mean you attack her. The difference is you NEED food to survive. Not quite the case there with sex, though it would make life very sad. Also you ask "when was the last time you killed your own food au naturel?" does that mean with my bare hands or with tools? Is using tools against nature? Does it mean you have weak ethics if you use tools? Do you ride a bike? Drive a car? Ride in a plane? Use the internet? Wear clothes? None of that is in line with true nature, yet we do it. Does that mean that we all have weak ethics? Or is there an ethical line that makes you feel better about what you do that others cross? I would say EVERYONE has such a line in their head, and this is clearly one of those issues.

You need food to survive. That is true. However, we are choosing some of the most inefficient means to feed available. Just saying that we need food to survive implies anything that can be used as food, including other humans. So there must be a line, as you very well say. My argument is not that people that say that they do natural things have weak ethics. I'm only saying that it's a bad argument and a bad excuse coming from people that have self-contradictory ethical frameworks.

I agree, we are using many tools that are not "natural" for us to use but perhaps our ability to come up with them to suit our needs is natural. That is intelligent. Using so many resources that could be used to make food for more people, making so much meat of so poor quality with so many people thinking that they're Gaia's hunters when they're munching on a burger of unknown origin is, pardon me, not intelligent. And it's not moral either.

If you can't see the moral problems, just think about your reaction when I tell you I might have a dog burger or a cat casserole. We have become deeply speciesist.

Yeah it's odd, but it's not immoral. How is it immoral to use poor quality meat, isn't that just only being stupid as you said "not intelligent". We use as much of what we get as possible. We are on top of the food chain... or somewhere up top. We have the ability to eat both plants and animals, and yet because we have an advantage to catching and killing animals we must limit ourselves. I'm fine with what you choose to eat, but the whole immoral thing just bugs me. If that's the case, how is a coyote eating the remains of a dead animal moral.

It seems like the word dignity should be used instead of immoral.

different cultures have their own food choices. I believe Japan eats dogs, or is it China? It's not immoral, that's how things just go down their.

I think I might of gotten a little lost here with my argument lol.

 

[warprincenataku]

I was vegetarian for three years, then I met my wife, moved to Asia and eating vegetarian became quite difficult.

I wanted to try new foods, while at the same time maintaining my lifestyle. This didn't work out so much and after much deliberation, quit being vegetarian.

Personally, my choice to avoid meat had nothing to do with animal rights and I have no real stance on the subject. It stemmed from my body's inability to deal with most meats, shellfish and beef. So I was down to fish, chicken and pork. Not being a big fan of pork, it was really just down to fish and chicken.

It was an easy step to vegetarianism, but having relocated to my new home, there was not an abundance of veggie options, aside from just veggies that is.

So yeah, now I eat meat. Not much, but I do.

 

[ReinWeisserRitter]

I don't think eating meat has anything to do with animals' rights in and of itself. Intending to consume the critter one day doesn't mean it has to be treated with disrespect.

Sectan also raised some very good points that I agree with; a farm-raised animal doesn't have to know panic or fear before one day being eaten. In an animal in the wild's final moments before succumbing to a predator, it potentially knows terror, misery, suffering. These aren't things that concern other predators (or they simply adopt an "us or them" mentality on the matter), but we're capable of treating the creature with compassion and respect, letting them know nothing but contentment before their eventual end. And that end doesn't need to be painful or gruesome, either.

So, to reiterate, there's a right way and a wrong way to do it, and while I'm not so daft as to say no one does it the wrong way, we don't have to, so on its own we're not harming the animal solely by consuming them, nor are we subjecting them to fate worse than what nature itself would have dictated for them. Nature can be cruel, but we don't have to be, nor do we need to be.

 

[TRR]

Ok then, let me break this down...

Now, many people say that nature isn't ethical, that animals brutally kill and eat other animals all the time. That's true, but we are not animals.

Um....We are animals. Only the deluded and vain would believe otherwise. We simply have the best brains. Look up "human" in wikipedia. We are listed in the kingdom of Animalia.

We are not lions or sharks. Lions or sharks cannot choose *not* to eat meat because they are natural carnivores and couldn't survive on a herbivorous diet.

You say we are not like sharks and lions because we don't NEED to eat meat. Fair enough. You know another animal that can survive on plants but will eat meat when it can? BEARS. We are not alone in being omnivores.

Humans, on the other hand, can. We are moral beings and as a result of our morality, we place innumerable restrictions on ourselves for the greater good: We prohibit or disapprove of theft, murder, rape, deception, defamation etc.

You describe us as moral beings because we disapprove of theft, murder, rape, deception, defamation, etc. Well so do other animals. Take some first year courses on evolutionary biology and behavioral psychology, it would do you some good. Also, given our track record, we're not the best at being "moral beings". Just watch the news, reality TV, or Jerry Springer.

So why do we think it's okay to deprive an entire species of their liberty and kill them for their flesh?

25 species go extinct every day. 99% of all species that have ever existed on the Earth are already extinct. Get over it. Life does a better job of killing things than we could do (within reason).

Finally I'll just point out that it's weird that you call yourself vegan yet you only discuss EATING other animals. I'm pretty sure being vegan has a lot more restrictions such as not wearing leather. You would be a DIETARY VEGAN.

In closing, I'd just like to say that I don't necessarily disagree with your point of view, it's just that the arguments you have presented are garbage.

 

[retyopy]

Well, I would go peskatarian, and survive on a diet of rice and fish, but then...

 

[DRTJR]

I EAT MEAT!

Buy from breeders, don't adopt from shelters. That way you know the heath of the dog will be (Usually better) and it won't have the possible physiological problems of a shelter dog/cat.

Hunting is an easy and efficient way of the government on controlling and maintaining animal populations.

Fur is not murder, it's efficient use of materials, eat the meat wear the skin simple.

I too do not know why the meat growing process is not funded to ludicrous levels by fast food chains and animal rights wakos activists.

I HATE peda, with a passion.

 

[Orinon]

It would appear that the Trolls have gotten here first so before I say my piece lets clear the air with this first.
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There we go now on to the actual issue.
Now I do eat meat, not all forms because some types have a texture I can't really eat, but there are meats that I love dining on. And to me it is a bit primitive to kill an animal just so I can eat, the only justification I have is that the meat, (Pork, Chicken, Beef) had been raised for the sole purpose of being eaten.
This is the only justification I'll accept, Some people say "Oh humans are animals too so it's OK to eat other animals." Considering how many people deny that humans are actually animals makes this hypocritical, your only acknowledging humans true nature only when at their convenience.
A few have said, "We're predators we have to hunt."
to that I say
"No, no your not, a predator is a creature in nature who targets a specific prey, that's its sole purpose in life. Human Hunters go into a forest for a few hours, with guns (an artificial Construction) shoot an animal, and then leave.
A predator actually belongs in nature, and humans do not, not anymore.
Some say "Oh animals aren't intelligent it's OK to eat them."
OK then by your logic that means I should be roasting you over a fire for being stupid enough to say this load of garbage.

Now Like I said I eat meat, I don't mind certain degrees of medical testing. but I feel there's something wrong with how poorly humans view other animals. to me Humans are by far the cruelest of animals, at least when a wolf attacks, painful as it is, it's nothing personal he's just hungry.

Now I'm about to sound like a hypocrite here but.
The sad truth is Humans do need meat, I'm being honest, Our stomachs aren't built to fully process Plants, which have been developing long enough to resist being digested. That being said, we are probably over consuming, Movie bob once mentioned that it's definitely possible to just grow some steaks, so why not try that? nothing has to die ad we get the meat we need. Now lots of Vegans say it's perfectly possible to be healthy, in fact I'll be healthier if I don't eat meat, I can't see how. Health is a matter of balance, and while there are meat alternatives, I'd need to eat about 100 times of them to get the same protein from one hot-dog.

That being said though, humans becoming omnivores has evolved us, We became much smaller, some say that's bad but those people don't quite understand evolution. You see since we're smaller we take up less space, we eat less food. Also Strength is no longer the needed attribute it's intelligence, Ironically Some vegans have higher scores than us omnivores, and while at first this seems like Vegan Propaganda if you sit and listen I'll tell you why.
"It is very, very VERY easy to just eat a slab of meat in front of you, and not care. But Vegetarians actually take the time to consider where that steak came from. The basic idea here is this: The vegetarians intelligence didn't just appear because they don't eat meat, It's from the mindset they possessed which made them realize where that steak came from "

Now I'd love to stay and rant some more but I got some business to attend to.
And Since I'm being as smug as Him I may as well use his line
"Remember to thank God for me."