Most of those things you described are extremely superficial, and not two extreme black and white dichotomies like gender, and also most of the population is already at one side anyway. But ok, I don't have anything against you, but like I said before I guess its too alien for me to fully understand, so i'm just going to leave it alone.feycreature said:
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Don't give a shit.
Closing with a quote from my friend on the "spectrum" of sexuality,
"Bisexuals are just honest people."
Closing with a quote from my friend on the "spectrum" of sexuality,
"Bisexuals are just honest people."
yes and that helps to prove my point more. People tend to grow a set when they go online. Whether it to be an ass or be themselves (which usually if they go online to be an ass they really are on in real life they just don't show it). People are more prone to be their true selves online no matter what. The majority of people put on their "faces" when they are out in the real world and be who they think others will find acceptable...with in reason(even if they say they don't care what others think). But when they are online there are no social safeties and nothing you have to worry about being judged on. So people will be their "true selves" more easily. If they are really an asshole but hide it in public they will be an asshole on line. If they are a closet racist then they will be a racist online. Same goes with being gay, bi, unfaithful etc.smallthemouse said:
That's to say you can ONLY be a "he" or a "she"? What about those who prefer to be an "it", or accept either pronoun? There are very few things that are 100% Black and White, outside of the visible spectrum. Gender isn't completely one way or the other.smallthemouse said:
I'm Asexual but I consider myself Bi for one reason. I consider both sexes equally attractive, I.E not at all.
Those instances are way too rare to count. If you want to include those, then wheres the group of people who are extremely inclined toward conjoined twins? I assume you're referring to hermaphrodites by the way.WildSeraph said:
I agree with the whole anonymous thing gives you freedom. You probably have people in relatively equal numbers who are legitimately bi and those who are just trying to stick out. But I also think it's worth pointing out there's another group perhaps not being considered, one I am part of, the unsure. The people who know they are attracted to the opposite gender, but aren't sure about the same.
Maybe they have found themselves attracted to erotic content of the same sex, or someone in real life, but have never actually engaged in the act in real life. This leaves them in a confusing position of sexuality but the longer you dwell in this state the more convinced you become you are, but also the less likely you are to ever explore it in real life. And of course most straight people tell me they think the simply thought of attraction makes you officially gay/bi even if you never engage in it.
I've sometimes made the "bi" statement despite no real-life experience because it's a good way to get into a conversation about sexuality. If you state you're straight oftentimes actual bi and gay individuals will treat you as an outsider during the conversation. But state you're bi and they're far more open. This can go a long way toward understanding your own feelings.
Of course tread carefully on whose word you take as the internet is full of IDIOTS, but you can generally tell the difference between a legitimatly helpful individual and a moron/troll/liar after a few posts (or one in the case of true fools).
Take and expand upon that as you wish.
Maybe they have found themselves attracted to erotic content of the same sex, or someone in real life, but have never actually engaged in the act in real life. This leaves them in a confusing position of sexuality but the longer you dwell in this state the more convinced you become you are, but also the less likely you are to ever explore it in real life. And of course most straight people tell me they think the simply thought of attraction makes you officially gay/bi even if you never engage in it.
I've sometimes made the "bi" statement despite no real-life experience because it's a good way to get into a conversation about sexuality. If you state you're straight oftentimes actual bi and gay individuals will treat you as an outsider during the conversation. But state you're bi and they're far more open. This can go a long way toward understanding your own feelings.
Of course tread carefully on whose word you take as the internet is full of IDIOTS, but you can generally tell the difference between a legitimatly helpful individual and a moron/troll/liar after a few posts (or one in the case of true fools).
Take and expand upon that as you wish.
Man, what's with all the confusion over bi people recently? Why SHOULDN'T they be bi?
And the reason you see more on the internet then you do in real life(this should be common sense) is because the number of people posting on the Escapist is waaay bigger then the group of people you know personally.
And the reason you see more on the internet then you do in real life(this should be common sense) is because the number of people posting on the Escapist is waaay bigger then the group of people you know personally.
Oh, you were talking about sex, not gender. I was going to mention my male best friend, who's a 50/50 cross-dresser and prefers to be considered a boy or girl depending on what "he" feels like at the time, but if you meant "sex" when you said "gender", then that's a moot point.smallthemouse said:
I sort of know what you're getting at - it's technically the same for everything that society perhaps finds 'different' though.
Some people will use this to gain attention, some people will be telling the truth and *still* use it to gain attention, others will mention it only when relevant, and still others will be oppressed and trapped by society's opinion and seek to hide their true nature.
I did know a girl once who was (or claimed to be) first lesbian, then bisexual. This wouldn't have even registered with me (be who you are =) except that she was really in your face with it. First she pushed her lesbian sexuality into people's faces, then when people got used to it she upped the stakes by stressing that she was both Catholic and lesbian (*gasp*!) and when that got old she started going on about how she was Catholic and *bisexual*.
I personally didn't care what she was, so long as she was happy, but she really was very much in your face with it, to the point where she'd start half her sentences with some comment about it. To this day I don't know if she was telling the truth or not, or whether she was just insecure about it, or whether she was trying to unnerve people so she could accuse them of being homophobic...who knows.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter, because whatever people are, it is up to them to learn to be comfortable in themselves, whatever shape or inclination that may be. =) I wouldn't expend energy worrying about whether or not someone is telling the truth when they say they're bi.
Some people will use this to gain attention, some people will be telling the truth and *still* use it to gain attention, others will mention it only when relevant, and still others will be oppressed and trapped by society's opinion and seek to hide their true nature.
I did know a girl once who was (or claimed to be) first lesbian, then bisexual. This wouldn't have even registered with me (be who you are =) except that she was really in your face with it. First she pushed her lesbian sexuality into people's faces, then when people got used to it she upped the stakes by stressing that she was both Catholic and lesbian (*gasp*!) and when that got old she started going on about how she was Catholic and *bisexual*.
I personally didn't care what she was, so long as she was happy, but she really was very much in your face with it, to the point where she'd start half her sentences with some comment about it. To this day I don't know if she was telling the truth or not, or whether she was just insecure about it, or whether she was trying to unnerve people so she could accuse them of being homophobic...who knows.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter, because whatever people are, it is up to them to learn to be comfortable in themselves, whatever shape or inclination that may be. =) I wouldn't expend energy worrying about whether or not someone is telling the truth when they say they're bi.
Personally, I think the contrary happens here. I think people are more likely to share their perceived sexuality (sure, they may be wrong, but it's no fault of their own) here because they're not only anonymous but this is a website that is usually more serious than most other websites I go to. I understand the logic, after all it does happen among teenagers, just it doesn't happen here as far as I know.
anonymity just makes things easier to discuss. it's not that there is more here than there, it's that there is more here openly admitting something than there.
Thanks, I was going to say that but you beat me to it. Even when people do take one particular pronoun and gender grouping you get soo much variation in actual behaviour. Physically there are curvy men and angular or muscular women or men who shave or trim all their hair and women who shave none of theirs and with the trans communities added in you get men with "female" parts and women with "male" parts both of whom identify firmly as their mental gender regardless of what's in their pants. Both sex and gender get pretty amazingly diverse when you start to look at what's actually out there.WildSeraph said:
Think of it this way.
It?s the internet, there?s anonymity, there?s a wider pool to get responses from than you would find in your everyday life, not to mention people respond to forum topics more if it relates to them. On top of that, bisexuality is quite a much wider definition than the other two, it has much more of the spectrum under its belt. Add in a bunch of teens still trying to figure things out and tah dah.
Some people might be lying, I don?t see why they would want to but sure; I don?t think there are too many people claiming to be bisexual however.
It?s the internet, there?s anonymity, there?s a wider pool to get responses from than you would find in your everyday life, not to mention people respond to forum topics more if it relates to them. On top of that, bisexuality is quite a much wider definition than the other two, it has much more of the spectrum under its belt. Add in a bunch of teens still trying to figure things out and tah dah.
Some people might be lying, I don?t see why they would want to but sure; I don?t think there are too many people claiming to be bisexual however.
Ok look the amount of people doing this is minuscule compared to the whole, and by black and white I mean you have a hole or a stick, theres no going around it unless you are born with both or neither, or undergo surgery, in which case you would fall into the negligible category. A straight man is not going to engage in sexual acts (knowingly) with a feminine man 99% of the time. Theres exceptions to everything, but when theres so few, you don't include them in an analysis, unless you want to make a discussion about this subject specifically. This was simply about bisexuality, and I got lots of responses and I thank you for your thoughts. I'm done.feycreature said:
I have seen people in real life purporting to be bisexual in order to seem unique [the emo/scene kid fad a few years ago was particularly notorious for this], so I'd be naturally sceptical about people saying it online. On the other hand, I don't really care.
Still, there is a difference between fawning over Brian Molko and engaging in anal sex. I do the former, but I really don't wish to engage in the latter. I think that makes me straight, more or less.
Still, there is a difference between fawning over Brian Molko and engaging in anal sex. I do the former, but I really don't wish to engage in the latter. I think that makes me straight, more or less.
Look, the only problem here is that you mistook the word "gender" with the word "sex". So I thought you were talking about males who considered themselves a girl, and vice versa. Had I known you meant transsexuals were negligible, and not transgender, this wouldn't have happened.smallthemouse said:
Careful with the use of 'sex' and 'gender', there. We've established this.Eico said:
Also, if bisexuality only meant you had to like both men and women exactly equally, what would we call those who have a slight preference? I prefer guys a little bit more than girls, but I'm still attracted to girls, so I can't be called gay.
I'm sorry for arguing with everyone here, I'm just kind of obsessive about setting everyone straight (pun intended). I'm done now. Good night.