I'm proud to be white!

[hebrewgod]

There seems to be a misunderstanding in this thread. The reason that people say their proud isn't because of bad things done in the past, it's because of bad things done TODAY. The reason a gay person says their proud is because alot of gay people have to hide in the closet and are beaten or murdered everyday. The reason why a Muslim person might say their proud of their culture is because of hate crimes and hate speech against them TODAY. A Native American might be proud of their rich cultural heritage despite having to live in the absolute worst parts of America TODAY. The reason why people assume that a white person is disrespecting them because of their race is because white people disrespect them because of their race TODAY. Proclamations of pride are a response to negative experiences in life. Not because they read that an ancestor was treated badly a long time ago.

You have a point but it's not fair to the good white people....it's not fair to them to keep hammering them with this guilt.

Not every white man is a raciest, or a homophobe.

Frankly you can't keep expecting to tell a certain segment of the population that "Your're the most evil race in the world! You've done so much wrong and your a bad person simply because you are white!"

...it really and truly isn't fair.

Of course you're right, it wouldn't be fair to say that someone is a bad person just because of their race. But the reason people assume that white people are racist or motivated by race when singling out someone of a different race, whether it be for a speeding ticket or an argument or something is because there are alot of white people who DO stop cars because of the race of their drivers and there are alot of people who DO pick fights with others because of their race.

Every person is going to suffer being lumped in with the bad parts of their race regardless of whether or not they've actually done anything wrong themselves. Middle eastern people are going to be seen as terrorists by some people, black people are going to be associated with criminals and white people are going to be associated with racism. It's not fair for anyone but that's life.

 

[Googooguru]

So in order to solve your problem, say that you're proud to be Danish, not proud to be white (as this is stupid). Be proud of what you've done with your life and the things you've achieved, the people you've brought joy to.

In a world where Europe's identity is slowly Melding into the overall EU, it seems that the unification of the traditional "White" countries may begin to mimic the tribal loss of the African Americans. It is hard to say i am proudly Masai, Zulu, Koi San , Chewa or Berber (yes i lived in Africa for 10 years) when you are unaware of who your people are, so we broadly categorize with Ethnicity in order to ascertain our place within the world

The problem with being disconnected from your culture is that it is easier to Identify yourself the overall struggle of your people rather than the proud traditions, art, music and history on which your culture is based. As far as we have developed we are still very Tribal in Nature and have a need to define ourselves within a group context for the good or bad. a family group after all is nothing but a tribe who impart to us our contextual filters for dealing with the community at large and with ourselves within the context of acceptable patterns of behavior sanctioned by the tribe.

The problem with isolating a group identity and placing yourself under a generalized heading of Black, White , Asian etc.. is that it can become a broad canvas of suffering and as a method of identifying your culture with pain and guilt it keeps the individual trapped in a cycle of victimization that not only disempowers the individual but the group as a whole.

If we are ever to move forward as a unified people we first need to heal the wounds of the past, forgive and move forward together not trap ourselves with tribal constraints.We can never grow beyond the limiting beliefs of our tribes. Therein lies the dichotomy, we need to experience life as part of a group and yet to be strong enough to have views outside of its patterns of limiting beliefs ,least we enslave ourselves to our tribes ideals

Be proud of who you are, love your culture for its achievements and rich history but be humble and respectful of others cultures and Do not look at the disempowerment of others and confuse it with strength

otherwise "for as long as there is me there is you, and as long as there is suffering it is your fault"

 

[Alucard788]

Maybe I know what we need to do.

I'm going to spend the next 5 years blending various dyes and staining agents and NANO TECHNOLOGY!!! I'll make great efforts to make the solution colourless, tasteless and self replicating. Then I'm spiking every countries water supply with it.

And it shall turn everybody...... bright blue.

Ok ok... slightly OT but I'd love to be bright blue..I don't know why but that would just be soo cool...can I have a glass? Can you mix it with vodka?

I can mix it with anything my curious little chum.

*nudge nudge* *wink wink*

Let's all take a sip and go live on the moon...let's all start over and worship the mighty papa smurf. *wink*

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

I call you friend. I kinda wanna ask those people if they want a pat on the back for their ethnicity or whatever they are proudly telling everyone about. It's annoying and I hope to God it ends much sooner than a few hundred years because I'm getting really tired of hearing all this proud bullshit.

Maybe I know what we need to do.

I'm going to spend the next 5 years blending various dyes and staining agents and NANO TECHNOLOGY!!! I'll make great efforts to make the solution colourless, tasteless and self replicating. Then I'm spiking every countries water supply with it.

And it shall turn everybody...... bright blue.

But then we'd no doubt have people saying they're proud to have a specific hair cut. D:

I don't think we can remove peoples need to individualise themselves by counter productively drawing attention to the fact that they're part of a collective.

Stupid people and their stupid need for validation. :[

Oh come now, you should know everyone needs to feel special like the little snow flake that they are.

I love the idea, but I'm sure that's what's probably going to happen, that or fancy bracelets.

GODDAMIT!!!!

I hadn't even considered the possibility of fancy bracelets.

My whole plan is ruined... minutes of brainstorming.... wasted.

Well they're gonna need to have fancy bracelets if they are gonna be bright blue and be pretentious bastards about it.

It's okay though, there are just some things the human mind isn't prepared to understand.

Dammitall. My limited imagination stopped at haircuts.

Perhaps you should spear head this revolt. I'll just get to work on the food dyes and NANOBOTS!

Because I understand that shit..... honestly.

Perhaps we can make money off all this.

You create the nanobots and work on the food dye, and I can slowly start to buy out all the manufacturers of said bracelets and create a monopoly. So because they are now bright blue from the dye and nanobots they need to have bracelets, which I supply, then profit.

Yes...yes...this can work!

 

[Alucard788]

So in order to solve your problem, say that you're proud to be Danish, not proud to be white (as this is stupid). Be proud of what you've done with your life and the things you've achieved, the people you've brought joy to.

In a world where Europe's identity is slowly Melding into the overall EU, it seems that the unification of the traditional "White" countries may beginning to mimic the tribal loss of the African Americans. It is hard to say i am proudly Masai, Zulu, Koi San , Chewa or Berber (yes i lived in Africa for 10 years) when you are unaware of who your people are so we broadly categorize with Ethnically in order to ascertain our place within the world

the problem with being disconnected from your culture is that it is easier to Identify yourself the struggle of your people rather than the proud traditions, art, music and history on which your culture is based. As far as we have developed we are still very Tribal in Nature and have a need to define ourselves within a group context for the good or bad. a family group after all is nothing but a tribe who impart to us our contextual filters for dealing with the community at large and with ourselves within the context of acceptable patterns of behavior sanctioned by the tribe.

The problem with isolating a group identity and placing yourself under a generalized heading of Black, White , Asian etc.. is that it can become a broad canvas of suffering and as a method of identifying your culture with pain and guilt it keeps the individual trapped in a cycle of victimization that not only disempowers the individual but the group as a whole.

If we are ever to move forward as a unified people we first need to heal the wounds of the past, forgive and move forward together not trap ourselves with tribal constraints.We can never grow beyond the limiting beliefs of our tribes. Therein lies the dichotomy, we need to experience life as part of a group and yet to be strong enough to have views outside of its patterns of limiting beliefs ,least we enslave ourselves to our tribes ideals

Be proud of who you are, love your culture for its achievements and rich history but be humble and respectful of others cultures and Do not look at the disempowerment of others and confuse it with strength

otherwise "for as long as there is me there is you, and as long as there is suffering it is your fault"

Very very well said...I want to print that off and read it to a few people in my family...and community.

Wise words that I think we all need to hear.

Over and over until it sinks in.

 

[Boneasse]

Yes...yes...this can work!

It's not that I mean to derail you guys' conversation, but as you seem to respond to each other I thought I might get a quick answer from you;

Does the thread appear in the "Offtopic" forum section for you guys? Because in my case, it's completely gone, and I haven't been contacted by a mod.

 

[shiig]

I love how apologetic us white people are for all of the atrocities that people have commited against black people, yet forget that America was founded on the genocide of the Native Americans.

Except for the fact that Native Americans are given their own little countries on American soil, with their own law enforcement agencies, and are the only group genuinely allowed to place a casino anywhere in America. Just saying.

Oh yeah. That totally makes up for it. The fuck was I thinking?

I'm not saying it makes up for it, I'm saying that that's a part of their compensation. There's plenty more, but I mean, fortunes have been made on such things.

The fortunes of a few doesn't even scratch the surface of the deaths of so many.

But that has nothing to do with what you actually said.... which was that no one cared about the genocide.... which by my point is incorrect. You can pull humanitarian all day, but what you said first is still wrong.
And while your last point stands, we can backtrack to thousands of massacres throughout human history and say that we are all somehow connected to the massacred side.

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

Yes...yes...this can work!

It's not that I mean to derail you guys' conversation, but as you seem to respond to each other I thought I might get a quick answer from you;

Does the thread appear in the "Offtopic" forum section for you guys? Because in my case, it's completely gone, and I haven't been contacted by a mod.

It's there, it's on the second page. That's odd that it appears to be gone for you.

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

I call you friend. I kinda wanna ask those people if they want a pat on the back for their ethnicity or whatever they are proudly telling everyone about. It's annoying and I hope to God it ends much sooner than a few hundred years because I'm getting really tired of hearing all this proud bullshit.

Maybe I know what we need to do.

I'm going to spend the next 5 years blending various dyes and staining agents and NANO TECHNOLOGY!!! I'll make great efforts to make the solution colourless, tasteless and self replicating. Then I'm spiking every countries water supply with it.

And it shall turn everybody...... bright blue.

But then we'd no doubt have people saying they're proud to have a specific hair cut. D:

I don't think we can remove peoples need to individualise themselves by counter productively drawing attention to the fact that they're part of a collective.

Stupid people and their stupid need for validation. :[

Oh come now, you should know everyone needs to feel special like the little snow flake that they are.

I love the idea, but I'm sure that's what's probably going to happen, that or fancy bracelets.

GODDAMIT!!!!

I hadn't even considered the possibility of fancy bracelets.

My whole plan is ruined... minutes of brainstorming.... wasted.

Well they're gonna need to have fancy bracelets if they are gonna be bright blue and be pretentious bastards about it.

It's okay though, there are just some things the human mind isn't prepared to understand.

Dammitall. My limited imagination stopped at haircuts.

Perhaps you should spear head this revolt. I'll just get to work on the food dyes and NANOBOTS!

Because I understand that shit..... honestly.

Perhaps we can make money off all this.

You create the nanobots and work on the food dye, and I can slowly start to buy out all the manufacturers of said bracelets and create a monopoly. So because they are now bright blue from the dye and nanobots they need to have bracelets, which I supply, then profit.

Yes...yes...this can work!

SEE.

This... This is why you're the new plan guy!

SWEET!

Then I wanna build a place where we can dive off of a diving board into the vast amount of money like Scrooge McDuck!

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Not at all. You'll find the same hypocrisy applies to just about every minority that exists on the planet.
Also this guy makes a good point on the issue:
Skip to about 1:00. the author doesn't seem to understand the concept of moderation when it comes to intros. And also, don't comment about how he's ripping off Yahtzee, I'm well aware of that.

He's got a few good points but nothing that really can't be countered with "you're using some vague generalisations"

also on the 'the yahtzee ripping off' comment, i'd say his voice trumps the ripping off thing...because boy that was a bit on the annoying side

Maybe so, but his comments near the end, and perhaps I should've pointed this out in my original post, are what I found to be the his most compelling points. If it's ok to make fun of one group, it should be ok to make fun of every group. These minorities want to be treated as equals, but their not being treated as equals; they're being treated like the special needs students in school. And whenever someone actually tries to treat them as an equal ie subjecting them to the same ridicule, criticism, and/or satire they'd subject anyone else to, they cry foul.

 

[Conn1496]

I actually remember being told that I was racist for saying "Black guy" once or twice.
People's views on racism are really warped these days. 90% of people forget that black people can be just as racist as white people, maybe more so. I remember a couple of months back that a guy in my school was almost beat to death for being white, and it was all down to him being "Racist". Turns out, it was a false accusation. Once the kids had finally gotten back to school after being questioned by the police / temporarily kicked out of school, everyone hated them for being racist. The whole racism thing is a double-edged sword. If it's real, it's real, but acting on racism makes you just as bad, and if it's fake, it's worse! There are black and white people alike that are pissed off at people using it as an excuse. I'm one of them. Now I have to say, discrimination is part of our culture, and you can actually use it to have a laugh if used correctly, but it seems racism is too taboo to be taken lightly, and I don't see why. Making jokes about white/black stereotypes can be funny AND unoffensive, and many comedians have proved it, we just seem to forget it... I remember a few weeks back a white girl calling her black boyfriend "hot chocolate" in public. I found it to be hilarious AND racist. It kinda shows that racism doesn't have to be bad. I...think.... Amidoinitrite?

[If I offend anyone, pity and shame me.]

 

[Karma168]

Basically this. Though, for some reason, nobody remembers the black panthers.

It's probably because some people have never heard of them. Don't know if it's different in the US (or elsewhere) but the first time i heard about the black panthers was when i watched forest gump. We had just done a 6 week block in history about the whole civil rights movement, the whole bus protest, protest marches, 'I have a dream' story, but not once did we hear about any of the more 'unsavory' elements of the movement. I think some people want to paint a rosy picture of the oppressed group to make a more palatable story which is something we should never do, the entire truth of history needs to be told otherwise we end up repeating mistakes that we should never have forgotten.

 

[Luthir Fontaine]

I find it funny to have pride in something i didnt do...
I didnt pick to be white male

 

[Corporal Yakob]

I'm not proud to be white, anymore then I think people should be proud to black-skin colour makes no difference to me. I do feel proud of my nationality though (hoorah for the British Empire!) but I remember the negative things about this as well (boo for the British Empire!).

The problem with "White pride/power" is that its been used so much by vocal racists and extremists with no real idea of what their being proud of, they just want an excuse to beat up anyone of a different excuse.

 

[Furious Styles]

I'm proud to be white (but I'm much prouder of being English) and I make no apologies for that. If I hear someone disparaging my race and my culture I will stand up and defend it because, while we've done some bad things, we've done some great, amazing things (e.g. a lot of modern medical and scientific advances).

The reason its not normal to stand up and shout "White Power" is because we already have all the power. If a black person (or another minority, e.g. a homosexual) does it, its about empowerment of the disenfranchised and downtrodden. If a white person does it, its either boasting or an expression of insecurity. There's also the issue of motivation. Your average white pride rally is usually comprised of violent, right wing, racist, xenophobic borderline fascists bent on cleansing society of everyone different to them. Your average black or gay or whatever pride march is, like I said, a way of representing a group under-represented in society.

There's nothing wrong with taking pride in your culture, history and ancestry, just don't be a dick about it.

 

[ToxicOranges]

I agree with what you're saying OP, and I like to extend your example about calling an African-american man a dick (becuase he WAS a dick, not becuase of his ethnicity), and briefly bring up when the same situation happens - but agaisnt tall people. Or short people. Or fat people. Or thin people. Or women. Or men. Or homosexuals. Or heterosexuals. I could go on.

The fact is, this kind of thing will happen for as long as humanity is either astoundingly narrow-minded, or extremely politically correct (as is the case now. I hate out current environment.)

 

[Sangreal Gothcraft]

being Politically correct can go fuck itself in it's Ass. If your white then good for you! If your Black,Yellow,Brown Whatever and proud , then good for you. It perplexes me how just because your white and you say you are proud of being white you are automatically labeled as racist.

 

[Zergadooful]

But then again, I'm bitter and from Michigan, where the only racists live in Howell.

You've clearly never been to South Lyon.

All the real racism I see today is against Muslims, yet when you say "Racist" people immediately think of blacks. Hell, you can't even call someone black without being racist, you have to call them "African-American." Unless they personally immigrated from Africa, they shouldn't be called that at all. Should white people be called European-Americans? No. It's stupid. Most black people I know don't care about being called black if it's not derogatory, yet the liberal that want "Equality for all" single them out even more, because it's clearly offensive.

It just annoys me when black people take advantage of this and shout "RACIST!" then sue the shit out of people for nothing, while Muslims are constantly being persecuted and saying very little about it.

I'm not hating on anyone, that's just something that annoys me.