I'm super depressed about sexism in gaming...

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ElPatron

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I don't get something. If forty-something percent of videogame players are female, doesn't that tell you that gaming attracts women without needing to change?

The whole "women are put off by X" argument is a "straw woman". You can't speak for all women in the world, women enjoy gaming, and people who don't like what videogames show (man or woman) could please take a hike?


Also, this thread again?
 

Vault101

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Moonlight Butterfly said:
I bet you are all sitting there thinking 'Oh yay another gender thread!' This isn't a thread about how much clothes female characters are wearing or whatever (Apart from a small comment at the end*) it's about the simple attitude some guys have towards women playing video games.
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I'm not sure this thread was the best way to comabt your "depression" over the issue...lest it turn into another shitstobut I agree...

in facr..I refuse to even entertain the Idea that my gender and game playing hobbie is a "thing" that needs discussing

it is fucking not
 

Moonlight Butterfly

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ElPatron said:
I don't get something. If forty-something percent of videogame players are female, doesn't that tell you that gaming attracts women without needing to change?

The whole "women are put off by X" argument is a "straw woman". You can't speak for all women in the world, women enjoy gaming, and people who don't like what videogames show (man or woman) could please take a hike?


Also, this thread again?
Fair enough I can't speak for all women. But I can say what I think are the issues that are causing these discussions to come up.

It seems like no one appreciates me talking about this anyway. So a mod may as well lock the thread I guess.
 

ElPatron

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Fair enough I can't speak for all women. But I can say what I think are the issues that are causing these discussions to come up.

It seems like no one appreciates me talking about this anyway. So a mod may as well lock the thread I guess.
I have asked around in real life. These discussions have absolutely no effect on how people view gaming and they are exclusive to the internet. I would probably have to go meet college students from liberal areas to actually find anyone who found anything wrong with the PVC nuns.

It's not so much that we don't like you talking about it, it's the fact that you play videogames, get depressed about them and then make a big fuss. It's not good for people to actually become depressed by only a symptom (not a disease) in something that isn't even important in real life.

If you're playing videogames in the first place, then we are probably doing something that can attract women.
 

Easton Dark

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You didn't seem depressed the last few days. Didn't a TF2 match with some nice people cheer you up? Wha Happin?
 

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Moonlight Butterfly said:
ElPatron said:
I'm not depressed about video games I'm depressed about the attitude towards my gender. Sometimes I think it would be easier to be a guy.

As I tried to explain above, a lot of the attitude stems from the unified "women for the change of gamer culture" approach which seems to be perceived by the gamer community. (I'm unsure if such a thing really is true, since if it was, there wouldn't be quite as many women gamers, as stated above)




Anyways, being a guy wouldn't be any easier I don't think, that way you'd be subjected to all the crap and instead of having an army of white knights and others fighting for you people would belittle you for minding such treatment on top of treating you like crap. :p
 

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So umm yeah, this deserved a thread? Yeah, we get it. I think we ALL get it by now, I could have sworn I've seen this posted so many times.
I agree with you for once

Taking it a step further, OP knows this has been done to death and still posted, giving herself the characteristics of the stereotypical girl gamer attention seeker, thereby taking a step back on gender equality, hurrah

This topic can lead to nothing but rehashing of old info or a gifmarathon again (OP even ASKED for it) neither of which contribute anything.
 

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Huh, for me the OP's position is quite interesting as while i watched a 'certain someone's' video critiques and read her thesis and did not care for them one bit it, i found they did raise the question of whether there were many female gamers who found themselves put off by the way girls are depicted in games, i didn't know any so i couldn't ask.

There's also a few somewhat backward arguments getting thrown around here...for example they are making another Neverwinter game, which was previously a bastion of classic rpg goodness. Having seen the trailer they have essentially turned it into a brown WoW, completely ditching the DnD ruleset. Whilst i strongly object to the MMO-ification of one of my favourite games it doesn't mean i will then spend the next 6 years of my life learning to develop games so i can make a new game, let's call it Sometimeswinter, that does have DnD rules to play in the free time i no longer have any more than i am going to start growing my own oranges if i don't like the supermarket brand of orange juice.

This is not how the games industry works, as a human being with a hobby and money if a games developer makes a game that is relevant to my interests, i will in turn give them money in return for said product. Hopefully once developers wake up to the potential market of female gamers, it'll bring more money in as a result and lead to a better industry overall.
 

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Dreiko said:
Moonlight Butterfly said:
ElPatron said:
I'm not depressed about video games I'm depressed about the attitude towards my gender. Sometimes I think it would be easier to be a guy.

As I tried to explain above, a lot of the attitude stems from the unified "women for the change of gamer culture" approach which seems to be perceived by the gamer community. (I'm unsure if such a thing really is true, since if it was, there wouldn't be quite as many women gamers, as stated above)




Anyways, being a guy wouldn't be any easier I don't think, that way you'd be subjected to all the crap and instead of having an army of white knights and others fighting for you people would belittle you for minding such treatment on top of treating you like crap. :p
At least people would just let me be a gamer and enjoy the games I have loved for 26 years instead of assuming I'm some sort of attention seeking whore.
 

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Moonlight Butterfly said:
Dreiko said:
Moonlight Butterfly said:
ElPatron said:
I'm not depressed about video games I'm depressed about the attitude towards my gender. Sometimes I think it would be easier to be a guy.

As I tried to explain above, a lot of the attitude stems from the unified "women for the change of gamer culture" approach which seems to be perceived by the gamer community. (I'm unsure if such a thing really is true, since if it was, there wouldn't be quite as many women gamers, as stated above)




Anyways, being a guy wouldn't be any easier I don't think, that way you'd be subjected to all the crap and instead of having an army of white knights and others fighting for you people would belittle you for minding such treatment on top of treating you like crap. :p
At least people would just let me be a gamer and enjoy the games I have loved for 26 years instead of assuming I'm some sort of attention seeking whore.

Well, I'm an anime fan, there's people out there who think us anime fans are some weird combination of man-children, pedophiles, aspergers patients and shut-ins. You know what I say? Screw them! :p



There's always gonna be retards out there. You can't give them the power of affecting you to the point of depression, if you do that they win. I'm not telling you to get thicker skin or to not be affected, it's perfectly normal for those things to happen. I'm telling you to push through the crap and keep what's truly good about gaming still alive in your heart if it really does matter that much.
 

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I'm not depressed about the behaviour of idiots who have nothing to do with me. I and my friends do not act in a sexist way to one another because then we wouldn't be friends. "Gaming culture" is not a thing you can assign things like sexism to as it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. I must not be a part of gaming culture because I don't see the relationship between artistic medium and gender. Gaming culture must be satan.

There are vast numbers of people who play games and are also not assholes. We play games together and talk about games together and we have a pretty good time of it regardless of gender, sometimes even because of it. That is gaming culture to me, and it is not sexist. As for asshole culture? Why be upset? Be happy that you yourself are not an asshole, enjoy yourself and by so doing prove the superiority of an open, polite, and growing culture.
 

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Moonlight Butterfly said:
At least people would just let me be a gamer and enjoy the games I have loved for 26 years instead of assuming I'm some sort of attention seeking whore.
I don't think you quite understand what goes on. They aren't singling you out because you're a woman, they're just picking that because it's the first and most obvious thing. If you were a guy you'd get an extra six seconds before they found something else to zero in on and berate you for. There's a whole arse hole culture out there that won't let anyone just be a gamer.
 

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Moonlight Butterfly said:
At least people would just let me be a gamer and enjoy the games I have loved for 26 years instead of assuming I'm some sort of attention seeking whore.
except they do, noone gives 2 craps if you have a penis or a vagina, if you like what you like then like it. My girlfriend has been gaming forever, not girl games or guy games, just games, she just plays and enjoys herself, as do I. Stop overthinking this go out and have fun, and don't put words into others peoples mouths

Moonlight Butterfly said:
Kragg said:
Nice stereotyping there.

Good way to prove my exact point.
I KNOW you know better and still you do it, I said you were NOT the sterotype but then acted like one for who knows what reason and you still are. I'm giving you the courtesy of being straight with you and not pandering to you, but ok, spin my words.
 

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Kragg said:
Moonlight Butterfly said:
At least people would just let me be a gamer and enjoy the games I have loved for 26 years instead of assuming I'm some sort of attention seeking whore.
except they do, noone gives 2 craps if you have a penis or a vagina,
Have you been here the past few weeks.

Have you seen the videos, the comments, the anger, the websites.

People most certainly do care.