In the UK boys of 10 and 11 jailed for...

[TheNumber1Zero]

...what?

..wha,what the hell?!

what is wrong with those kids?!

murder is a bit much,just circumsise them with some shears,or turn them into fraulines

 

[dragoness]

This country has gone to hell. Why aren't these parents PARENTING their kids?

because if you try to reprimand your child, someone hauls you off to jail, saying something to the tune of "child abuse" while your kid gets left in the system and forgotten. then instead of learning respect by getting spanked, they learn violence from being able to run around with no rules being inforced.

My Dad disciplined me very well, so when I did something wrong I knew VERY well not to do it again.

Parenting is difficult, that's why adults should be doing it, rather than the increase in teen mums (in my area at least). We seem to be living in a Society that supports one night stands and having sex with protection, even if the teens/adults themselves are not ready for the responsibilities that children bring with them, or rather the trauma that couples go through when they go through an abortion.

Does sex education even mention how expensive kids are these days? Rather than the dangers of STDs I think teens need to know how serious human life actually is.

/rant end.

i agree wholeheartedly. or rather, i'll drink to that. or -insert witty phrase here- i know a couple that that happened to. they were fine for like 1/2 a year, but i guess she got knocked up. i didn't really hear anything, but i know she didn't have a kid. after that, she ditched him. she never really was the same afterwards though. it's frustrating though, specially with all the negative stuff towards the abortions and women getting them done. always, "killing a child" etc. what happens when the child themselves aren't ready for one?

 

[dragoness]

i support the death penalty. not as punishment, but to protect society.

Wait.....how does that work?

how does it work? im not quite sure what you mean by that. it works in two ways:
a. it removes 2 obviously dangerous people from society that would obviously kill/rape/otherwise harm other people later
b. it does not cost anything from tax payers (exept electricity for the chair and their last meal), so no life in prison that will cost millions of dollars out of taxpayers, and if they use the chair, it will end their lives instantly and humanely, not the bullshit lethal injection that takes an hour while you're strapped down helpless begging god for the mercy of death while you writhe in agony and you feel all your organs shutting down...did i just go off on a tangent, sorry about that.

anyways, for tl;dr, quick, painless, keeps them from screwing society in the ass later.

1. You know nothing about these boys other then the fact that they were responsible for these crimes, they could end up as decent human being who will regret what they did one day. There is no guarantee that they will, but there is a guarantee that they won't is they are sent to the chair. Last time i checked people are punished for something that they do, not for something that they could do.

2. Putting people to death costs more the keeping them alive, so you would be saving money by keeping them alive instead of putting them to death and not the other way around.

3. What you said about the chair is utter bullcrap. The chair was removed as a legal way to put others to death exactly because it was NOT humane. That's not to say that the lethal injection is a good way to die, but suggesting that being sent to the chair is a fine way to die is horseshit.

>.> i agree and disagree. once a person does something, that's the end of it for them. a kid who tortures toads when younger will grow up and torture dogs, or cats later on. if someone beats kids as a kid, will they not grow to beat up more children, or other people their age?

as for the chair, it's a long painful death. lethal injection is more painless, more going to sleep (imagine having to put down your 18 year old cat with some kinda cancer etc) and i'd assume it costs less in the long run. vs keeping them alive for like 40-50 more years in prison @ $100-1000 a day? yea, prison costs more. put all these guys on deathrow down, and save taxpayers money!

 

[Da pyro man 999]

if i walked by these kids attacking another kid, i would smack them till they where on the floor(im a teenager, so i think it would be just)

 

[dragoness]

imagine having to put down your 18 year old cat with some kinda cancer etc) and i'd assume it costs less in the long run. vs keeping them alive for like 40-50 more years in prison @ $100-1000 a day? yea, prison costs more. put all these guys on deathrow down, and save taxpayers money!

No, that is where you are mistaken. The act of putting a man to death is actually so outrageously expensive that the whole thing costs more then keeping them alive for the rest of there life's in prison. This is not like China where the criminals are just taken outside and shot once the trial is over. I could probably dig up some numbers, but right now i want to play Hearts of Iron 3

See ya and have a good day.

Hardcore_gamer.

"No in-depth study so far has tracked how much it costs Philadelphia to sentence so many people to death, but several reports from states around the country clearly show that the cost is higher than putting someone in prison for life. In North Carolina, researchers from Duke University estimate that the death penalty costs taxpayers an additional $2.16 million for each case. Another study by the State of Kansas found that the average death penalty case cost $1.26 million vs. $740,000 to keep someone in prison for life. No study anywhere in the country in the past twenty years has found that executions are cheaper than life in prison.

At first, this seems counter intuitive. How can it cost more money to put someone on death row than imprison the same person for life? Most of the extra costs associated with capital punishment happen before and during the trial. It takes prosecutors and defense attorneys more time to prepare for a death penalty case. Jury selection also takes longer because each individual juror has to be quizzed about their views on capital punishment. Capital cases also trigger a host of post-trial motions that do not happen if the punishment sought is life in prison. All of these things drive the cost of death penalty cases higher than simply seeking life in prison." - http://www.whyy.org/news/itsourmoney/20080417_death_row_dollar.htm
yea, my bad forgot to look up my facts first.

 

[dragoness]

No problem, at least your admitting that you were simply mistaken about the money cost instead of countering what i just said with some sort of a sick list of barbaric ways to "reduce the cost of the death penalty" like some other pro-death people i have talked to have.

but still, they use taxpayers money to pay for these jerks to sit around and flex muscles all day. and to think, some of these guys actually get out of jail in the end! it's frickin scary. a rapist can get out of jail. "he's cured! he did the program!" yea. NOT! my neighbor married a child molester. i've NEVER felt comfortable around that guy. he's frickin creepy. but ya know what, he was supposedly cured. -shakes head- nope. no way.

 

[dragoness]

No problem, at least your admitting that you were simply mistaken about the money cost instead of countering what i just said with some sort of a sick list of barbaric ways to "reduce the cost of the death penalty" like some other pro-death people i have talked to have.

but still, they use taxpayers money to pay for these jerks to sit around and flex muscles all day. and to think, some of these guys actually get out of jail in the end! it's frickin scary. a rapist can get out of jail. "he's cured! he did the program!" yea. NOT! my neighbor married a child molester. i've NEVER felt comfortable around that guy. he's frickin creepy. but ya know what, he was supposedly cured. -shakes head- nope. no way.

Has he molested any kinds since he was released? No? In that case i am afraid your just being prejudice towards him. Unless he brakes the law again or starts hanging around with kids, you should probably just leave him alone.

who said he hasn't? eh? you know my neighbor? he does hang around kids. she found a younger girls swimsuit mixed into his clothing. actually, she's found two swimsuits. but he's been turned loose because he's "cured". so now, with him moving back into the neighborhood(after she divorced him and told him to get out), next door to a family with two little girls, we've got to inform them to not let them outta their sight while he's around. cause who know's what he'll do to the girls?