In the UK boys of 10 and 11 jailed for...

[master m99]

Killed? That's a bit strong. I doubt they were fully aware of what they were doing. This kind of stuff has always happened. Its just getting reported more nowadays. It seems everyone loves a bit of outrage and controversy.

not fully aware? dude im pretty sure they new that smashing a sink over someones head and attacking them with bricks wasn't exactly going to be pleasant for the victims but i do agree that death is a bit strong in this case

 

[JenXXXJen]

Hi folks, that's only half the story. Let's observe the bad kids' mother's parenting techniques: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/8235661.stm

She drugged her kids with cannabis to make them to go sleep and made them watch horror movies like Chucky and, let's be honest, probably worse things... the kids also used to throw ducklings at trees to kill them.

Oh please, half the people in my family are drug addicts and I've been watching horror films with my parents since I was 5, and I haven't tried to beat anyone to death. You lose all sympathy points when you do something like that.

 

[Nocta-Aeterna]

It's almost like the conclusion of Lord of the Flies....

How depressing.

 

[morpher80]

Some kids are just plan crazy and think that they can do anything and not get in crap

 

[The Hairminator]

Messed up kids in a messed up world. I'm not surprised.

 

[manicfoot]

Fair enough. Still, I don't think killing 11 year old boys is justified. How can you condemn acts of violence with violence? Just send them to prison. 11 year old hands are small and fickle. They're bound to drop the soap.

Well, there you go.
You're condemning a brutal assault with rape?
And they'll be out in what, 7 years for the 11 year old?
That'll just make them worse.

I wasn't being 100% serious there Its a messed up crime but - as cold as it sounds - nobody died so I don't see the logic in the death penalty. I think they should be tried as adults though and given the maximum sentence possible.

 

[bodyklok]

The fuck is happening?

To be honest the rates of under-age rape haven't gone up that much, it's just that now people are taking more notice.

 

[Lynx]

I guess you haven't heard the raping of a 4 year old girl over here.

God the world is going to hell.

When considering the fact that horrors like these happen daily, sometimes I think we're already there.

 

[Beffudled Sheep]

*words*

And thats what I get for poorly skimming the article. Fine I'll get the rusty nails and lighter, you get the rope and gasoline. These kids are beyond help and must be permanently removed from life and the mother needs a good public hanging so she doesn't spawn anymore kids and ruins them.
BTW: Also pro-death.

 

[mattman106]

I think these kids need to be put down. They are broken individuals and will never be able to function as proper human beings therefore they must be removed from society.

 

[Neonbob]

Killed?
No.
...yes, it's shocking, yadda yadda.
But killing them is just a knee-jerk reaction.
There are so many better methods of punishment.

I'm not condoning the death penalty, but what else do you do? In order for a person to do this kind of damage, they must be seriously screwed up in some way -- perhaps their upbringing, or a complete lack of conscience. Whatever the case, what punishment would be enough to deter them and reform them into a normal person again? Sticking them in a prison for 25 years usually doesn't do the trick, as we've seen thousands of times with our penal system. Extensive therapy, constant monitoring, keeping them locked away for the rest of their life -- what can be done to fix them, and if nothing can be done, why keep them around as both a risk to the public and a drain on the country's resources?

Food for thought.

I'm afraid that my idea is not only horribly wrong to most people's sensibilities, but also unfit for this forum.
Let me leave it at this: just because I didn't want to kill them immediately doesn't mean that I want their lives to be anything resembling comforting.

 

[Nocta-Aeterna]

Fun fact: Children are actually more capable at commiting atrocities than adults, the younger they are, the less set in are any morals they may have. That's why they like to recruit children in armies in Africa, and probably quite a few other countries.

Innocence is the purest form of cruelty

 

[JenXXXJen]

... you lose sympathy when you try to beat someone to death, or when you point out that it's still not the best parenting technique to drug your kids to sleep? I don't really care about the film thing, I just threw that in to showcase the mum as the not really caring sort.

Lose sympathy points when you try and beat someone to death, or do something similar. You do have a point, but there are people who grow up in similar situations who aren't twats, and they can have sympathy points.

 

[Sparrow]

There was a story about this ages ago with kids around the same age that kidnapped a four year old. I won't go into detail, it was pretty wrong what they did to him.

Either way, I've heard much worse elsewhere. MUCH worse.

 

[nova18]

Jesus christ.
People always say "Ahh kids are getting worse, the same shit was happening in the 60s 70s and 80s"
But fucking hell, this is pretty extreme.

This isnt kids messing about because their bored, this is kids fulfilling their roles as the anti-christ.

 

[manicfoot]

I wasn't being 100% serious there Its a messed up crime but - as cold as it sounds - nobody died so I don't see the logic in the death penalty. I think they should be tried as adults though and given the maximum sentence possible.

Great, now I'm one of "those people," who can't see a joke.
The problem is, though, nobody died yet.
Eventually, they'll kill if left to their own devices.

Heh don't worry about it. It seems you've been affected by this quite a bit so its understandable that you weren't expecting to see a joke Sorry but I disagree with you again. I don't think you can say with certainty that they'll eventually kill someone. Perhaps psychiatrists and medication could sort them out over time.

 

[The Guy in The Corner]

a side thought, according to this link [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7328492/] THOSE DARN KIDS TODAY are actually better behaved than before, possibly because they're being weighed down by excess flab. the existence of horrific stories about horrific crimes does not mean that kids are worse today. again, this all points to media sensationalism exposing us to stuff like this more often.

that's it. anyone who wants kids to die is a horrible person, no matter how horrible the kid. I'm out of here, you're all working me up too much

"Anyone who wants kids to die is a horrible person"
These "kids" are only a few years younger than myself yet they are probably capable of murdering innocent people and certainly capable of brutally injuring them both mentally and physicallys.

And i'm the horrible person now?

I've said it once i'll say it again, you sir are a fuckhead.

Yes, nothing like namecalling to prove you're right.. right?

I think we passed the eye-for-an-eye age a while ago. But yeah, let's murder children who hurt others. It's a good foundation for a better society. Screw second changes! Screw benefits of doubt. Hell, screw psychologic development! Kill 'em all, it worked in the past, might aswell work now too!

Yeah, you youthful lot and your simple views on 'justice'. "Violence is bad, let's use it to set an exampleto them kids."

I believe in the prison system as an object of reform, but you can't fix what's that broken. It's just weakness to let them live.

Right, because that'll set such a good example. Let's kill them for being violent. We are mature adults supposed to know right from wrong, to lead by example, and they are kids who have never been taught that difference by anyone, never had it reinforced by any punishment for their acts. The fact that you think it's a good idea to kill them almost sickens me as much as their crime. Jail them.